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25/04/2012 17:23Posted by Temur

Bottomline: Orcs aren't hippies, nor peace loving shamans. Garrosh is acting exactly like a true Orc would.

No, he isn't. Though the definition of a 'true orc' has been so heavily retconned over the years that it's near enough impossible to define. The Greatmother Geyah quest chain in Nagrand highlights just how and why Garrosh is flawed both in the past and present.

Lets make it simple.

This is what horde/orcs should look like.
http://i.minus.com/iKEOgaIv3r0gp.jpg

This is what they should not look like.
http://i.minus.com/iAfu9NAvRihEc.jpg

Ah, "true orcs." The warlike yet allegedly peaceful race of settlement-inhabiting nomads. We have dismissed that claim.

28/04/2012 12:59Posted by Blayzereborn

Ah, "true orcs." The warlike yet allegedly peaceful race of settlement-inhabiting nomads. We have dismissed that claim.

Marry me :D

This is what horde/orcs should look like.
http://i.minus.com/iKEOgaIv3r0gp.jpg

The character models reflect that, at least. Though Garrosh and Thrall are pretty awful representations of their race in terms of both lore and visuals.

The character models reflect that, at least. Though Garrosh and Thrall are pretty awful representations of their race in terms of both lore and visuals.

They don't even look like they're the same species anymore.

Original Thrall (http://images.wikia.com/wowwiki/images/4/49/Thrall-wow.jpg) and original Garrosh (http://images.wikia.com/wowwiki/images/f/f3/Garrosh_Hellscream.jpg) look like different races/subspecies.

Present Thrall (http://us.media1.battle.net/cms/gallery/MAP0RX8NCYAS1304014972748.jpg) and present Garrosh (http://images.wikia.com/wowwiki/images/f/f0/GarroshCata.jpg) look like a green human with bad dentistry and an Ogre, respectively.

[quote="38882122139"]Lets make it simple.

This is what horde/orcs should look like.
http://i.minus.com/iKEOgaIv3r0gp.jpg

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I see an orc looking around him with a disgruntled expresssion and 1 shoe missing.
Its obvious what just happened.
He failed miserably in an attempt to punt a gnome.

I'm happy. Well I WILL be happy when I get to slice Garrosh in two with his own axe >:D

I got to fully experience it when I leveled an Alliance alt, my rogue. It's beyond ridonkulous what's going on there. You actually get berated and put down for wanting to fight the horde and get called petty while they're slaughtering people left and right.
Personally I found it sickening and I sure as hell wont level another Alliance alt, how anyone could play Alliance the way they're presented is beyond me.

I didn't have that impression when I played on my night elf alt in Kalimdor. In Darkshore you obliterate the trolls, in Ashenvale you lose a hub but fight back on all fronts, in Feralas the night elves will surely have the advantage if there will ever be a revamp. And Stonetalon used to be Horde dominated, but the night elves are integrated nicely there.

Sure, they are not portrayed as strong as they should be but then again if that would happen then the Horde would have little chance in forested areas on Kalimdor. Not gonna happen..

Same for me, actually.
There were disappointing moments, sure(Azsharas appearance in Darkshore, for instance), but most of the zones were fine. The exception for me was Teldrassil, which was boring as hell because they hadn't actually done anything with it.

You flatter yourself. Besides, all though we see the turks as being the Warmongers back then, towards the other parts of their reign they start to get more mellow, and start getting others to fight their battles. The Jannisaries were Christian Youths beought to Istanbul to serve the Sultan. Ottoman culture was great, and they adopted more "Civilised" ideals as the years went on. The Sultans lived in palaces, the orcs have fortresses. The Ottoman houses are made of wood, Orcs live in tents. I think the Huns are more like orcs, or even the Mongols. Don't say the Turks. Since when did orcs have bath-houses and build massive structures to their religion? We find ourselves with this: Thrall is an Ottoman, as he is adopting Western Culture (i.e The Alliance.) Garrosh is you're typical outrider from the far east. Right now, the Orcs are still tribal.

>< Of course they're going to live in houses.
You conquer what's left of the Byzantine empire and you don't use their buildings?
You try to come across as knowledgeable in history, but if that's your best excuse than it's a complete failure. And in case you haven't noticed it yet, the Orcs live in houses and huts too now. Even the Mag'har does. Tents, or Yurts only make sense if you're a nomadic people. The Orcs, like the Turks are mostly no longer nomadic. (Though I bet you can find nomadic Turks in central asia).

You're completely ignoring every fact I wrote, just cause the Sultans lived in palaces and had bathhouses. Yes, the Sultans are clearly reprensentive of the people.
Using that logic, you might as well say that you can't compare the trolls with the Incas cause their leaders had incest. Despite the fact that there is obvious evidence.

The Mongols failed to keep the lands they conquered, the Turks didn't.

You need to present a much better side of the argument.

Edit: By the way, I don't like the way you come across at all.

As a Turk ,which is well-aware of his deep roots , I aggre with Temur.As much as Turks and Mongols shared the same battle-armor types/weapons to same old religion(Tengrizim) Mongolians are more like a Mogu(there is bad mogus , I bet there is good ones too) ,while Turks are more like Orcs(same thing there is bad orcs/good orcs not insulting any race) ,both seems like combination of bunch of aggresive War-Clans , but there is difference like Temur said ,Turks is not have a passion to conquore all ,but have great will to keep what they own ,what they call home(Anatolia).

And, yes , Ottomans might have palaces , shiny bathrooms ,Harems , Sultans, Hatuns,but they doesn't represent original Turkish culture at all , which is the result of their close-relationships with east side of the world.

The rest of the Horde does not

If you mean thrall's horde then think again. Thrall wanted to leave in peace but the alliance came. Then thrall tried to talk to the alliance what happend it never worked until 1 time till the twilight hammer came to stop the talk. And now the thrall's horde became garrosh horde the horde to take what belongs to the horde.

horde became garrosh horde the horde to take what belongs to the horde.

So, nothing? They should just head back to where they came from?

Because seriously the only lands they own any rights to (not including the Eastern Horde who have what they deserve... mostly):
*Mulgore
*Bits of Feralas and Thousand Needles.

That's Tauren lands. Seriously the Darkspear occupied the Echo Isles and all the other land is because of Horde expansions.

They do seem like a more...evil....entity than before. The Horde are more than just a rougher version of the Alliance who sulked in the corner everytime it came to war, like we see in expansions previous to TBC, and are more like their Warcraft counterparts; increasingly dominant and aggresive, and continuing to be until stopped. Whether this is a good thing, we shall see.

Are you happy with how the new Horde have progressed, and the orcs?

Garrosh is an enemy I enjoy disliking; and judging by the various forum threads, I am not alone. He is well disliked by players [and characters] of both factions, for a wide variety of reasons. This makes him a success, no matter how his character development was actually handled.

Political division within the Horde has been an interesting story both to watch and to help play out, and from that perspective it is also a success. Conflict is inherent in a dramatic story, and this internal conflict has been of much interest. To date then, because it has created internal divisions in the faction, yes, I am happy with the way the Horde has progressed. It has made for interesting story.

I only hope that the climactic resolution of said conflict retains that interest, and that the Horde which results also generates story.