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Hi healing community!

I can usually heal pvp geared tanks (usually DKs for some reason) through a random hc and mostly through the end time stuff but when they run off and pull before I've caught up or they complain about healing when I'm having to heal the rest of the group cos threat gen is all over the place I start to get annoyed and tell them so.

This one I had the other day in Tol'vir complained at the dps for being too low. I happened to mention that he should get some tanking gear before complaining about dps cos he was making it a bit harder than it needed to be and bam the floodgates open. I was all the names you can think of :D

He also said he cant be that bad if I was having no trouble healing him. I pointed out that I probably outgear some of these heroics now so it wasnt too hard, but that it didn't mean everyone did and they would struggle. Again tirade of abuse.

I left feeling slightly annoyed and confused. Should I have shut up and carried on healing, got him kicked or, do what I actually did and quit in a fit of pique (sorry dps guys :( )

What would you have done, or have you done in the past, with pvp geared tanks?

You did the right the thing and I would have done the same, sure keeping your mouth shut would have saved you the drama (read: abuse), however the tank needed to be knocked down a peg or two.

PvP gear is better than no gear, that's the way I see it. I don't judge them, I even dont inspect them as long as everything is going smoothly

i can keep pvp tanks up quite easily throught a heroic, but if he comes in as a tank in pvp gear and starts to attack others for their perfomance, i would boot him

I LOVE being on my healer in heroics, anybody including the tank gives me lip they wont get any healing and can run back cause I wont ress em.

Also PVP gear is NOT better than no gear. You dont have tank gear then you dont sign up as tank, simple as.

If I'm in the mood for a challenge - sure, I'd try healing such a species. They however need to be more carefull with pulls than a proper tank. Not the lack of gear per se is annoying, but the fact I come in prepared and he doesn't. So if he runs far, pulls a lot and dies due to not being able to survive without a healer for a split second, he'd better not open his mouth.

Actually dk tank using PvP gear is not reason you may have problems to heal, it is how they do not know the deathstrike mechanics. You blamed him failing on completely wrong reasons. PvP gear contains enough stats to efficient 5 man tanking. BUT you kind of need to plan your deathstrikes then. It is rarely about tanks gear, but more about knowhow of spell-use.

Dk and especially druids can still works in pvp gear due to their innate tanking mechanics , (druid is better since he benefit also from the dodge gain from the gear agility).
In any case the tank NEED to know at least to use properly his class.
In the end jerks are still jerks no matter how much right reason and argoument you have from your side.
You did the right thing, there's no point carring over someone who is unwilling to learn a thing or two about is role and is not friendly to the group on top of it.

Sadly, in any random these days (LFR/LFD) the groups are rife with PVP. PvP in PvE, no enchants/gems annoys the hell out of me, but i'm losing the will to care anymore personally.

Tanks will continue to suck, dps will continue to suck and even PvP healers will continue to suck. If they cannot grasp that 180 or so resil x all armour slots filled with PvP is a lost important stat, then what hope is there?

PvP gear should be ilvl1. Simple. All its used for these days is an easy way to bypass in-game restriction mechanisms (and possibly actual PvP of course).

21/04/2012 12:34Posted by Nubbin

PvP gear should be ilvl1. Simple. All its used for these days is an easy way to bypass in-game restriction mechanisms (and possibly actual PvP of course).

NO NO NO NO ! PvP gear is not the reason people fail. Those same people would fail in hc DS gear too. It's what i said above - not wanting to understand mechanics and how spell (and mobs) work.

I do not in any way whatsoever, see how , approx (example: 169+169+169+429+429+304+226+304+169+272+169+226) etc RESILIENCE replacing a more required stat cannot be contributed towards a fail.

your fine in pvp gear until you start to hit raids really. its more about who's playing then what gear they wear in dungeon content.

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21/04/2012 15:43Posted by Nubbin

I do not in any way whatsoever, see how , approx (example: 169+169+169+429+429+304+226+304+169+272+169+226) etc RESILIENCE replacing a more required stat cannot be contributed towards a fail.

But contrary to you I see x amount haste (yes, even haste!), mastery and stamina that PvP gear has more than random 353 dungeon/boe gear. And considering deathstrike works also on DKs damage taken, then sometimes it is even good, when they lack avoidance and thereby wise DK can make way higher HPS (incl absorbs) with PvP gear and thereby healer has to heal less at the end of the dungeon.

But the question is how many of those DK's know how to maximise HPS, and what i conclude ? It is not PvP gears fault, when dk tank fails on given instance, but player not understanding the basic : death strike.

Same applies to to druids - go read up how they avoid damage. They abuse primal stat and pre raids PvP gear is one of the best options for druids if not the best. Shield tanks are whole different story. But I here speak for the 'other' tanks.

DPS can get away with it in heroics but im sorry, if you want to tank or heal inheroics get some proper gear first. Plenty from quests / normal instances to get you started.

I dont agree with the level 1 ilevel on pvp stuff, it should be removed altogether.

DPS can get away with it in heroics but im sorry, if you want to tank or heal inheroics get some proper gear first. Plenty from quests / normal instances to get you started.

I dont agree with the level 1 ilevel on pvp stuff, it should be removed altogether.

So you would want a tank have less stamina/parry/mastery just because you dislike PvP items only and alone because they are from PvP. :P

DPS can get away with it in heroics but im sorry, if you want to tank or heal inheroics get some proper gear first. Plenty from quests / normal instances to get you started.

I dont agree with the level 1 ilevel on pvp stuff, it should be removed altogether.

So you would want a tank have less stamina/parry/mastery just because you dislike PvP items only and alone because they are from PvP. :P

WOW, PVP Items have parry and mastery now, sweet. My wow must be bugged though because I really dont see it.

PVP Items are for and this might be a narly concept PVP.

So you would want a tank have less stamina/parry/mastery just because you dislike PvP items only and alone because they are from PvP. :P

WOW, PVP Items have parry and mastery now, sweet. My wow must be bugged though because I really dont see it.

PVP Items are for and this might be a narly concept PVP.

strength gives parry, and if you dont see the mastery you must look better.

Id prefer the defesive stats be on top of what strength the gear currently gives rather than relying on just strength to provide them

The thing is that the 390 pvp gear just has so much strength and mastery that it totally eclipses any defensive stats you'd get on 333/346 gear.

Then obviously you have druids who pretty much use dps gear anyway and therefore the massive amounts of agility on their pvp gear actually makes it BiS until raids.

I didn't personally use pvp stuff while gearing, i dont like doing it, it doesn't feel right but i can completely understand why some people do.

It's all about not being arrogant and adapting to the group. Having spent most of my time healing in wow, I still have a druid, dk, paladin and warrior tank I play around with.
Having been the victim of poorly geared and stupid tanks, I'm *always* very conscious about the gear I have when I go in to tank stuff.

A tank with pvp gear should be damned humble when they go into dungeons. When I took my warrior into heroics, I got the itemlevel because I had some pvp gear, and some of it was used for tanking - and I was always honest about it too my group, and always promised to drop group voluntarily if it didn't work out. I NEVER had a problem.

I'm not sure why some people don't understand this. If you enter into something you're not capable of, you're wasting other people's time, which is the absolute rudest thing you can do.

As long as a group works reasonably well, I can't care less if we're carrying someone or someone has pvp gear, but back in Zul'Aman when my shaman was sitting around in Heroic firelands gear and going oom every other pull because that *fricking* tank was taking it in the face and complaining because he was topping the dps metres and the other dps should stop slacking....
Well. I may have gritted my teeth, some.

got PVP gear, gtfo of my group, i will not heal you because there is a over 50% chance you are as stupid as a door at pve.. not gonna wate my time on you...

i do this since i have alot of experience with PVP tanks