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Repetance / Turn Evil
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I think repetance should stay baseline for ret paladins as it is in MoP. A cast time will make it close to useless in MoP. Sure it will be great for holy palas but awful for rets.
So my sugestion would be to make Turn Evil work like the new repetance on MoP and give it a cast time and keep repetance as it is for rets. |
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10 yd vs 30 yd, 1 min cd vs 3 min cd (but AoE). Sorry but i prefer repentance. |
A sheep spell is useless? no such thing, if anything it will make us awesome since we actually have good CC. Good Rets will make this new Rep work so much to their advantage I wouldn't be surprised if they nerfed it. Bad ones... well, u can only guess the amount of QQ that will follow. |
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I don't see any other melee having a spammable CC(+ a stun, AoE blind), maybe that's just me.
Actually whinning about it is just being biased. |
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Err, last time I saw a Feral casting root was? Emhhhhhhh, errrrrrrghh, ummmmm.
Never seen them cast roots, a melee casting CC seems to work pretty good for Druids though. |
Imo it`s an apples and oranges situation. Regarding repentance i favor the current version and seeing the paladin history everything turned instant (avenger's shield, hammer of wrath, holy wrath, exorcism, turn evil with glyph) no idea why they put cast time on this one. |
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Yeh thats probably why Blizzard eventually gave them predators swiftness to make casts instant. Jesus. Any castable cc for a melee class that can't be made instant is plain bad. Especially for a spec like ret with weak mobility it's even worse because you can't get distance to cast it and if you do, you lose the duration of the cc while running back. Blinding light is weak. It has 6 sec duration (pretty much every other aoe cc has 8) and 3 min cooldown (compared to 30sec-1min). The glyph for it is even worse. The only way to balance ret cc in MoP is to give repentance back as baseline or reduce the cd of Blinding light to 1 min for ret. |
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No it's not, there should be less instant CC's in the game not more, be more biased.
I see Ferals cast Cyclone alot as most good teams will dispel PS before you get to use it, prehaps that's just me though.
What? Ret has great mobility.. |
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I may be biased, but you still have no clue on anything you say about rets :D Melee specs need instant cc. Casted cc is for casters because they can actually use it effectively. It's not the fault of any class or spec with instant cc that holy paladins lack tools to counter them which is your bias towards instant cc.
You see most good teams dispel PS? You mean teams with offensive dispel? Cyclone is also pretty much the only exception in this because it's not dispellable so it's actually worth casting sometimes. But by saying that ret has great mobility you just make yourself look like a fool. Try the spec even once pls before posting your funny points of view in every ret topic. |
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I've played Ret all of WoTLK and the first few patches of Cataclysm, I'm pretty sure I have enough experience when I say Ret has good Mobility I mean it.
No spec needs instant CC, if you want instant CC you should be able to prevent it, like you can Scatter Trap. CCs like Repetance are not good for the game, even Blizzard has realized it. Whenever I meet a Feral I tell my Mage to dispel PS, if I play a comp without an offensive dispel you simply have to outrange it, it doesn't require much of a brain, it's not a long duration on the buff and it takes quite some time to get a proc. Ret does NOT need Repetance when you have a 30 second CD on HoJ and an instant AoE CC. |
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Edited by Mírion on 24/04/12 21:09 (BST)
Ferals cast CycloneFeral's CAST cyclone only like 1% of the time, the rest of the time they are using their Predator's Swiftness proc. No they're not. A good Feral will cast Cyclone, a bad one wont. A good team will dispel the proc and force him to cast Cyclone, a bad team will QQ about it being instant. |
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A solution could be making Repent become instant cast for Retribution Paladins whenever Art of War procs. But once used it recives some kind of cooldown.
Still remains baseline as castabble CC,if we really want and are able to cast it,but providing us with a instant cc when proced. Its RNG but it can prove useful. |
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Mirion, so as Ret you would actually get Fist of justice instead of repentance ? Cause I was thinking sheeping will be fun and useful ? |
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Ye I will probaly take FoJ instead, on the beta atm I'm slightly undergearead on my Ret but the talent seems underrated, a 6 second stun on 30 second CD is ridicouls. You use Seal of Justice anyway so a slow isn't a problem, Repetance is great for Ret but it depends on what you'll do, arenas, rbgs, random BGS etc. For arenas I'd use FoJ, RBGs Repetance random BGS FoJ. |
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Casttime repentance is perfectly fine. It's gonna require some skill and forethought to use, while at the same time not being OP.
Ye I will probaly take FoJ instead, on the beta atm I'm slightly undergearead on my Ret but the talent seems underrated, a 6 second stun on 30 second CD is ridicouls. I myself am most excited about the slow on judgement ability. It's gonna make 2s and random BGs so much more fun. xD But ofc, it's gonna depend on comp more than anything. |
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Seal of Justice has a slow to, pretty sure it's on Judgement to.
Seal of Vengence works the same way it did in Wrath only stacks on Melee swings so it's not really a good option for PvP. |
