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I want to get one thing clear I have mild Aspeger's it's not severe. I also come from a massively supportive family and my mum and dad are extremely supportive and my dad is someone who has inspired me because he has never stopped fighting my cause when I've needed his support he is the sort of man who would be what I want to be if I ever have kids.

I also understand well about the stigma of A.S sufferers and I am fortunate that I can deal with the public on the same or higher level because I have been lucky to have a massive extended family who have instilled a lot of confidence in me in the RL. I mean I deal with the public in my job in retail every day and none of them has ever picked up on me having A.S unless I have said so in conversation and those who had some understanding of it have told me that to work in the sector I do and cope so well with it all that I should bloody proud of it and a positive asset to my employer as well. I know I am because you know what the management where I am at least always tell me I am doing well.

And on this note keep this on topic people I hate having to repeat myself.

Rookie? Your more of a rookie than me Tezu, now please. Do try to keep on topic for once James. And do stop ruffling my hair like your some mighty person who knows more than me.

That's exactly what a rookie would say! Now please, Don't disrobe yourself on the armory, those pixels are burning my Eye-GHRAHAHHAHHHHH~!

While the troll was indeed a massive douche, and I myself posted against him, some people really do need to not go off on one every time someone is a little bit mean.

It's fine picking them up on it because they did something crappy, but to make huge posts detailing -exactly why- it was bad and to go on and on and on about it when it's clear -nothing- is being settled is silly. You've said you don't like it, move on now. Geez.

21/04/2012 21:18Posted by Marioh

Read the part in my post about microaggressions again. To spend all day struggling because of an intrinsic part of yourself, then to log onto something supposed to be relaxing, only to be faced with everyone using a word that has been used by people (who systematically abuse people like you) to describe people like you for decades, as an insult, is very trying.

It's obviously not relaxing then, is it?

But it should be. It's a really, really small thing. How hard is it to use insults referring to rude bits of anatomy, or even words actually describing what the person is doing to tick you off? "annoying" or "frustrating"? You're doing the thing where we ask for a really small thing and you start talking about how out of proportion the request is, as if [plural "you" from now on] you couldn't possibly stretch yourself to, y'know, not use that word. Out of the thousands of other words, you have to use that one, with all the history and the horrible implications and the capability to make people who already have it rough on one level or another feel like crap. Why?

21/04/2012 21:18Posted by Marioh

I get a lot of abuse from people every day for different things online and off, it does not stop at mental disability to which I am the host to a few antisocial disorders myself but I am not going to sit around complaining about it and acting as if I am different from anyone else.

I'm actually not acting like that. I'm asking for some basic empathy here. "That word is bad, and I would know because I'm a member of the group it's bad for. Please don't use it."

Everyone should be treateded equally and to just explode in a defensive manner like this is insulting to the defense of this thread which is now being derailed due to a bunch of butt-hurters. I'm not defending Tezu. I'm pointing out that people are going too worked up over a few mediocre words.

Of course, if people wish to derail the thread and get involved with yet another grudge match between Dieven and James then by all means, go on ahead but the next time one of you makes a comment about forum stability or community rationality, I'll be sure to make a dig at the hypocrisy.

"I'm going to tell everyone to stop arguing, and while I do it I'm going to include some problematic stuff in my post. But you can't respond to that by calling me out! That would be to continue arguing! See, this is all your fault!"

That's like "Tig, no tig-back!". Conversations don't work like that. If you're genuinely trying to diffuse a situation, in future, think about whether what you're saying is going to add to it, because what you said definitely did.

ursula... you can join my guild too. I adopted Arc, one more lovely worgen welcomed to our family!

21/04/2012 21:30Posted by Dieven

ursula... you can join my guild too. I adopted Arc, one more lovely worgen welcomed to our family!

Don't be getting all mushy on me :)

You're doing the thing where we ask for a really small thing and you start talking about how out of proportion the request is, as if you couldn't possibly stretch yourself to, y'know, not use that word. Out of the thousands of other words, you have to use that one, with all the history and the horrible implications and the capability to make people who already have it rough on one level or another feel like crap. Why?

If you want special treatment from all of the other words and people associated with those words that can fit into the same category then sure. I could take time out to meditate and remove every single offensive/titling/genre definition of a word out of my volcabulary that I have been raised around. It's not at all offensive to me when someone tries to limit the use and extent of my language. I do apologise though if you were offended by an example that did not specifically target anyone.

Jesus. It's as if we're still living in the 19th century.

While the troll was indeed a massive douche, and I myself posted against him, some people really do need to not go off on one every time someone is a little bit mean.It's fine picking them up on it because they did something crappy, but to make huge posts detailing -exactly why- it was bad and to go on and on and on about it when it's clear -nothing- is being settled is silly. You've said you don't like it, move on now. Geez.

I know I have said it before and i shall say it again - How do you do it? Only words of gold and wisdom comes out your mouth!

Arcfelonas, it really is upsetting to hear you had such a hard time over this and cyber-bullying of this level regardless of the reason is just not acceptable whatsoever.
It likely stings now but you are definitely better off without these fools in any aspect of your life at all, especially considering the GL aided this.
Sadly it seems now and then you do find a group who feel that the relative anonymity of the internet gives them a free ride to act like a bit of a bumhole, but you will find a guild who respect and appreciate you too.

As for the 'ditch' comment, it's a really loathsome attitude to have and I'd perhaps even recommend reporting that comment considering it can be harassing, threatening and upsetting to receive. If it was said to you it may be said to others too, but if you don't feel it's worthy of a report that's your right too.

I really hope the shock of this eases off reasonably and you begin to feel better about it. Just remember that you in no way earned this cruelty nor brought it on yourself, and that these clowns really are best left to their own sad selves.

Good luck in finding a community or guild who treat you as you deserve. :)

Smooth Tezu, bring up the one incident of a DC which caused something on the armory with my character. Real mature.. *Nod* Or, is it petulant and childish? Eh. Glad to see Arc got a guild out of Dieven. :>

I have reported the words I put in bold at on my original post because it was deemed that offensive by me it had to be done. I am awaiting a reply from the GM's still they seem to be taking forever to get to it.

21/04/2012 21:32Posted by Marioh

You're doing the thing where we ask for a really small thing and you start talking about how out of proportion the request is, as if you couldn't possibly stretch yourself to, y'know, not use that word. Out of the thousands of other words, you have to use that one, with all the history and the horrible implications and the capability to make people who already have it rough on one level or another feel like crap. Why?

If you want special treatment from all of the other words and people associated with those words that can fit into the same category then sure. I could take time out to meditate and remove every single offensive/titling/genre definition of a word out of my volcabulary that I have been raised around. It's not at all offensive to me when someone tries to limit the use and extent of my language. I do apologise though if you were offended by an example that did not specifically target anyone.

Jesus. It's as if we're still living in the 19th century.

Like I say, you're making out like it's a huge request you couldn't possibly fulfil. I'm not demanding you do this and threatening you with harm if you don't. I'm asking you nicely to make an accomodation, and you're making a huge deal out of it.

It's actually quite easy - the only tricky words are ones like "dumb" and "lame" that seem innocent until you look into them, and those are relatively mild and easier to make mistakes with without being pulled up - being that they're actual specific medical terms and not blanket terms for "people who aren't like us", it's clearer they don't refer to things literally, although they're still not nice.

And I found since I started trying to do it, it's actually made my communication and thought processes re: people I don't like clearer, because it encourages me to describe the actual thing I don't like rather than making a general "they're a nasty person!" statement.

It helps me identify individuals I'm irrational around (if I can't single out specific things about them or their behaviour I don't like, just a general "nrgh" feeling, chances are it's irrational dislike) so I can avoid interacting with them more effectively, and helps me make the distinction between disliking behaviour, and disliking people, clearer when I talk about it with other people.

Actually being genuine here, before you think I'm being sarky or patronising.

i'm sorry i'm just a really verbose person :(

wow sorry to hear what happened Arc, sounds stressful and just plain awkward >< here's hoping you find a new place mate :)

wow sorry to hear what happened Arc, sounds stressful and just plain awkward >< here's hoping you find a new place mate :)

I have and thanks for the nice comment :)

21/04/2012 21:40Posted by Ursala

Like I say, you're making out like it's a huge request you couldn't possibly fulfil. I'm not demanding you do this and threatening you with harm if you don't. I'm asking you nicely to make an accomodation, and you're making a huge deal out of it.

My apologies. I'm allowing all of the tension in here to rile me up and it is reflecting badly upon me. I make accomodations for this sort of thing in-real life or when I'm directly communicating with someone but when it comes to my own circle of friends or the internet I feel a great deal of liberty when it comes to my words. It is not as small an accomodation as it seems because when you do it for one group of people, you do it for another group and then another one until eventually you're treating people gingerly or being overly sympathetic or patronising.

At times I feel as if I'm insulting people by accomodating them differently than I would anyone else. I enjoy pretending that people won't take something offensive right off the bat because of the used term.

Nonetheless, you have a point and I once again apologise if I have offended you.

I'm going to go take a breather.

Thanks all for the input and thoughts on this. I kind of feel a bit more happier with the idea I am not the only one who feels that these issues are not just my own as an autistic player of WoW.

The said behaviour of the person responsible for the text on my original post was in my view reprehensible and they have no excuse to talk to anyone like that even if like me they suffer from the same condition as I do I personally would never in my life say that to anyone with A.S or any other learning disability it's wholly unacceptable and that it came from a high ranking member of that guild even if it was said in temper is pretty awful. What bothers me is how some of the people in there who are friends to me still have stayed on given how I was treated still we shall see what happens I will try to keep that posted on here.

Also please I understand it got heated here yesterday evening please let's not have any more people trying to de-rail the thread or start attacking each other I find it sad that has happened given it's not the objective of this thread.

Árcfélonas, I'm sorry to hear you've been treated like this. I wish you the best in the future and I hope you find the guild you're looking for.

When I was an "emergency" guild leader in vanilla I didn't go easy on the unfair rude people, no matter how well I knew them. I don't understand why anyone would accept a comment like that.

I've know several people with Asperger's ingame and irl, and I have never experienced anything out of the "normal" with any of them. Using that as a snide comment is just rude and wrong by them.

Again, another person not understanding me properly, read my previous post and perhaps, rethink your statement, If Autists think i'm discriminating against them, That's all well and fine, It wasn't meant that way, however.

I think most people know you well enough to realise this is not a case of misunderstanding you. It's exactly what you're like, exactly the kind of person you are, at least have the cojoned to admit it.

You're such an internet toughguy you didn't even have the guts to hang around when you realised I wasn't actually AFK while you were filming this...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FgpO-ND7_S8

I mean really?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FgpO-ND7_S8

By now everyone should have realised what kind of person he is and just stay away from him? AND not fall for his trolling in forums, just report his posts and move on. :)

Also sorry to hear what happened to you Mr Worgen but from experience I can guarantee you will be happy in Dievens guild :)

Let's not have any more people trying to de-rail the thread or start attacking each other I find it sad that has happened given it's not the objective of this thread.