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Well I don't know much about PVE tbh in that matter but PVP wise I think Warlocks are the hardest to master. Maybe it does not count that much for Affliction but it is for Demonology and Destruction. I experienced people whine about me being Destruction or Demonology saying it's not a PVP spec. Too me it all 3 talent tree's are PVP spec but it all depends on the situation and group formation. The whining from others did not happened while doing rated BG's or arena's but in random BG's. I play Destro/Demo because I enjoy it. I'm maybe not that efficient during PVP and it's not easy but I like it.

I'm saying now that i only played during cataclysm, but i had a lot of free time and so i leveled and played 8 class at the higher level (meaning at 85, not in arenas or something else) and i found the lock the most hard class to master and play well due to the fact that it has a lot of skills and things to watch and even if you do that your dps still needs a little boost, but, when you know exactly what to do it's easy (When I raid can do a lot of dps when smoking and raid leading).
The point of this reply is that lock may be """easy""" in the end, but the other classes are lot easier, that's it. (Arcane mage, i'm watching expecially you xD)

My humble opinion.

Edit: Xiranhi, i loved your post

03/05/2012 13:56Posted by Aelhaine

Xiranhi, i loved your post

Yey!

Where the hell have you been during patch 4.3? I've only had my Warlock at 85 for two weeks and I obviously know a hell a lot more than you do regarding Warlocks and raiding. For starters, Affliction is a really good raiding specc. For fights like warmaster you just cannot compete with an affliction warlock unless you have an equally good doter or you are exceptionally better than the Warlock. And as for Destro being better than Demo, not a chance. Demo out performs Destro in just about all fights. If you take a close look at Paragons warlocks you will notice that only one doesn't have two seperate Demo speccs, and that guy has affliction, not Destro. And if you were to trust a guild that does world firsts as if its their daily routine, you can safely presume that Demo > Destro at this current patch. Even if Destro got buffed or w/e.

If i were u i'd have a better look at demo/affl/destr ranks... then consider that both affl and destro have same rating priorities unlike demo (mastery is always the worst stat)... 1 demo is always required for the 10% sp buff anyway, it doesn't matter if it's a madness >u need "1"...

Affliction is a really good raiding specc

Afflicton is the worst raiding spec usefull only on particular fights (more than 1 target, spellweave)... U only need to check Ultraxion rank of Affliction to realize how bad it is outside those specific situational boss...
The typical spec u should be kicked for some fights (especially when undergeared)...
Good job suggesting Affl. as 1st spec to start...

And if you were to trust a guild that does world firsts as if its their daily routine, you can safely presume that Demo > Destro at this current patch. Even if Destro got buffed or w/e.

I'd simply say that u can safely switch from "DESTRO" to "AFFL." for some specific fights without having to reforge NEARLY everything.... how does that sound to u?
U think u're smart with demo/destro and 3k rating haste? Are u gonna reforge each time u switch?
Bottled Wishes as demo?

Warlock in pvp is by the far the hardest class to play.

I genuinely find Warlock PvP to be one of the easiest at the top level. The only difference between a very good and an amazing warlock is a few hundred (give or take) DPS.

This class isn't so much about situational awareness, reaction, out of the box thinking, as it is about 'rotations' or what Starcraft people would call 'mechanics'. It's about minimizing downtime and doing many things as fast as possible while not screwing up at any of them.

I can see warlock being hard to learn to a good level - harder than other classes maybe - due to the amount of things you CAN do. It's just not very obvious which things you should focus on from the get go, and even when you realize what you have to do and in what order, it takes a while to practise the new mindset to become comfortable with it, and then another while to become actually good at it. Most other classes are just much more obvious and easy to learn.

But once you're past that stage, there's not that much you can improve. We just don't have that many game deciding moves. There's very little "flashy play" you can do as a warlock.

I genuinely find Warlock PvP to be one of the easiest at the top level. The only difference between a very good and an amazing warlock is a few hundred (give or take) DPS.

This class isn't so much about situational awareness, reaction, out of the box thinking, as it is about 'rotations' or what Starcraft people would call 'mechanics'. It's about minimizing downtime and doing many things as fast as possible while not screwing up at any of them.

I can see warlock being hard to learn to a good level - harder than other classes maybe - due to the amount of things you CAN do. It's just not very obvious which things you should focus on from the get go, and even when you realize what you have to do and in what order, it takes a while to practise the new mindset to become comfortable with it, and then another while to become actually good at it. Most other classes are just much more obvious and easy to learn.

But once you're past that stage, there's not that much you can improve. We just don't have that many game deciding moves. There's very little "flashy play" you can do as a warlock.

Well yeah, but that's only if you're playing affliction. You can't do outstanding things in that spec, however when it comes to Destro (even Demonology), I beg to differ.

13/05/2012 14:47Posted by Phoenexis

Well yeah, but that's only if you're playing affliction. You can't do outstanding things in that spec, however when it comes to Destro (even Demonology), I beg to differ.

Neither were viable at any point during this expansion, and Affliction has always been more represented than Destro even in S7-S8.

Imo Warlock is very easy to play on a medium level pvp. But he need some gear and resi to survive :)

I love my Warlock, really enjoyable but it really get left behind in dps unless I really give it my all, not the hardest class but the class you have to really push.

Warlock is a difficuly class to play well.

Sure, there are 3 dots a nuke as your main rotation.
However the extras - CD management, mana management, pet management, which are all required to be competitive make warlocks a difficult class to play.

Difficult in comparison to other classes at least.

Hard to play? well, depends on what you're trying to do. I find almost no other class has as high skill cap as the warlock's "try to actually bump someone off a cliff with whiplash"

Target is afk.
Target is right next to a cliff.
Target is well within your ground targetting area.

Are you a badass enough to actually bump him off the cliff? Can you beat the horrible ability coding? That, there, makes the warlock the hardest class to play imo.

Out of all my 85's....this is definately the most challenging when it comes to rotation to maximize dps.

Easy to play, but hard to learn.

No once you but time and effect into learning the class it becomes easy mode and you do your so called "Complex rotation" without even looking at your keys. Or in my case without having Spell buttons showing at all on your UI.

http://www.youtube.com/user/danlindor?feature=results_main
"Only shown bottom and Buff buttons because it would be like boring to show you nothing but I generally raid with 0 Buttons showing. Only relie on Buttontimers in the middle of my screen. :D"

Get expect to own at the meters straight away you need to put time in if you want the best out of the class.

I find it easy.
Pretty easy to keep away from melee unlike the priest. My gear sucks at the min but when I get better gear I am sure I can beat most other classes with little effort.

Recently dinged this char to 85, and what ive experinced, this is the class that requires most "attention" to play right. But im not saying its hard.Ive played some classes to maximum lvl, (only DK and lock to 85. Hunter and warrior in Tbc, and rogue, mage in Vanilla).

This class requires more of "you".

Tough its the most fun class to play. And i love it.

completly agree, you can't have a warlock as alt and expect to be the best, the class warlock requires more YOU.

There isn't really a skill cap on warlocks. we got a vast variety of gameplay and style which you have to narrow down to what suits your personality of gameplay.

A really skilled warlock can take all classes, we are more limited by our skill rather than our class unlike other classes which are unfortunately limited by what class they are...

First of all pvp isn't just UA, dot and fear, only below average players have that impression. It's cd managment, position of you and your teammates, awareness, knowing all abilities and talents of all classes, communication, anticipating certain moves/cd's and countering, etc etc.
I could list many more.

if they want 2.2k then yes. Maybe its why most of the warlocks I come across are 1/8 HC dragonsoul and 1500 rating. Noobs ;)

29/05/2012 18:23Posted by Maredoom

A really skilled warlock can take all classes

not an equal skilled and gear Rogue, Warrior, Deathknight.