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Well...we do have some miniature world pvp from time to time. I mean...
/wave at a hordie to say hello. Then /dance with them. After that they accidently poke you with bash. Wich makes an owl very mad so she /rawr at the hordie and starts moonfire spam. Just for funzorz...
At about 50% hp loss from the hordie, the owl calms down and /soothe the hordie. But it was already to late... Even tho she /beg and /cry the hordie was furious. He went all out on cd's and made a /bow as she was slowly dying. /why ? she asked him... He was /disappointed, thought we could be friends. It was you owl who /insult me. I made a mistake by bashing you, it was an accident. But you, your attack wasnt an accident.
/farewell my furry friend... I'm /sorry it has to end like this. He made a /bow and sliced the owl into pieces...

But other than that, the major city's are ghost towns. The AH is a mess, I rather farm for hours then buy something THAT expensive... Cant find pugs, you're better off with openraid... TB is fun, when you have the right ppl online that is...

But the community is great. Even tho its small, the ppl are nice :)

:D nice one!

I intend to make an RP guild here, Forsaken one, anyone is welcome to join so you can have some rp, the server has grown less active over time, but it's certainly not dead, nor shall it ever

The night is young watchu gonna do 'huh?

Sadly SSL is dying, I have been on SSL since I started playing 3 years ago and most of the people I knew have either left or moved server. My guild Endymión are moving to Kilrogg next week. It is a shame, there are some people I will miss but the way things are at the moment I'm not enjoying playing.

Oh for pity's sake! Take it from someone who has been on this server since the beginning (about a month after it started), SSL has had at least 3 high points in it's RP life. There was the first golden age, where Theatre of Cruelty, Stormwind Militia and The Darnassus Sentinels were the main RP guilds and they did a huge amount of RP either just themselves or in partnership with other guilds. Then there was the second golden age, which was after a relatively brief lull following the first golden age, which heralded events like the Slave Train and The Eye, which were aimed at bringing roleplayers from across the guilds and factions together. There were also RPPVP events, like the battle for Arathi, where the Horde destroyed what we Alliance thought was a decent-sized raid (2 full raid groups vs 30-odd in 1 raid!) and this was possibly the zenith of SSL RP and wPVP server-wide. Then there was the silver age, where there was occasional interactions across factions, but where Alliance RP dropped significantly (mainly due to people deciding to raid rather than RP) but Horde RP hit possibly it's peak as a faction, with the Blood Pact storylines taking a large part of it all, as well as my venture into Horde RP and blood-soaked story telling.

Since then there have been ups and downs and whilst none of these have reached the heights of previous ages they have still had some success.

Now we have people looking longingly at what they have previously experienced, or been told has happened, and thinking that if they aren't matched then the server is failing. But that is a false assumption! I've been here long enough to have seen "SSL is dying" threads come and go more than I'd care to count. Yes, there are problems, but if SSL history tells us anything it is that if you get a good group together (5-10 is a good starting point) and commit to doing something then it will happen and others will join in. So I would encourage anyone reading this to stop thinking about how they can add to the description of how bad SSL is and think how they can contribute. I cannot, as work keeps me restricted to a couple of hours a week, and I am sure there are others who are unable, but the way this game tends to work is it brings in new people all the time, so you guys that have the time and the will to get involved, as Nike say, just do it!

03/05/2012 12:26Posted by Gurthang

So I would encourage anyone reading this to stop thinking about how they can add to the description of how bad SSL is and think how they can contribute.

That is the best thing anyone has said on these forums.

03/05/2012 13:31Posted by Grogar

So I would encourage anyone reading this to stop thinking about how they can add to the description of how bad SSL is and think how they can contribute.

That is the best thing anyone has said on these forums.

+1

03/05/2012 12:26Posted by Gurthang

So I would encourage anyone reading this to stop thinking about how they can add to the description of how bad SSL is and think how they can contribute.

This might apply to roleplaying, we're still crippled badly on the pve/pvp scene. =(

03/05/2012 17:34Posted by Esgarath

That is the best thing anyone has said on these forums.

+1

Esgarath and Grogar get a room :s

I think it applies to all facets. Granted, raiding is harder to get going as it is very much a numbers thing, but this is where the existence of 10-man raiding becomes a benefit as it is a lot easier to raid than it used to be and if you want to go bigger then is means looking to merge or work in partnership with other guilds.
Herein lies another golden nugget - People should not whine and moan about not being able to 25-man if they are unprepared to merge with another guild. Happens a lot, but really shouldn't!

+1

Esgarath and Grogar get a room :s

I won't allow it.

I think it applies to all facets. Granted, raiding is harder to get going as it is very much a numbers thing, but this is where the existence of 10-man raiding becomes a benefit as it is a lot easier to raid than it used to be and if you want to go bigger then is means looking to merge or work in partnership with other guilds.
Herein lies another golden nugget - People should not whine and moan about not being able to 25-man if they are unprepared to merge with another guild. Happens a lot, but really shouldn't!

The problem is that some things can't be solved with enthusiasm and positive thinking alone, RP might but there are a lot of other sides to the game, like you mention, raiding. I don't blame anyone for pointing out the obvious problems, how are they going to get solved if we all pipe down?

It's not all about 25ms either, in Wrath we broke down Naxx 25, Ulduar, ToC25 and even 10/12 in ICC 25 with trade pugs. That's impossible today, there just is not enough people.

I took part in a DS10 pug the other night, on a thursday just after reset. We struggled for about an hour to fill the raid with stray people. Some people logged other characters to accomodate the needs of the group and we ended up 9manning 6/8 and then calling it since we couldn't find a replacement for one of the players that had to leave.

The same goes for finding a suitable arena team.

About merging guilds, I've done that in the past and it's far from 'you guys have 16 raiders, we have 14, let's merge and break a leg in 25m!'. Not to mention you loose the social identity of the guild, there is a huge difference to recruiting 5-6 people over the course of a month or two and merging ~15x2. It usually gets really messy.

No matter how I twist and turn my arguments I can't end up at a point where I tell myself: 'Scarshield is fine, i'm the problem'. The lack of people severely cripples aspects of this game, maybe not for person x but I strongly believe that many players on this server feel that the relatively low population is a growing concern to them. Again, I don't believe I can fix that for myself by 'trying harder'.

I'm going to continue voicing my concerns on this forum in hope of someone taking notice of it, if it's an inconvenience to the rest of you, tough luck. =)

My entire point: Don't bash people for complaining about the low server population, it is a very real problem to "a lot" of players.

P.S: I know, summer, D3, finals, old content, yadda yadda. It's still lower than ever before.

Edit: This is not a direct reply to you Gurth, but more some general thoughts on the whole 'SSL is fine, stop whining' talk going on.

+1

Esgarath and Grogar get a room :s

Tried to, he freaked out and ran away :(

Trust me, I am not saying that all is fine. However I am saying that a huge amount of perspective seems to be lost in most of these threads and we have seen a stupid number of them in recent times that have simply been going over the same old tired themes where it all ends up being a moan and a whine with no direction other than "It's crap!".

It should be said though that LFR/Raid Finder is something that might help. If nothing else it gets you the gear quicker than waiting for an SSL pug. But at the end of the day, I think that whilst SSL has it's fair share of problems we have to admit that the problems are also on the part of the players. Most moaning doesn't accept this, which is part of the reason why we end up with the "SSL is crap" and "No it isn't, you are" arguments in these sorts of threads.

You guys communicate too much, this is unhealthy.

We need more smashing, smacking and killing each other.

Back in wotlk I managed to do VOA 10 and 25 on 3 chars, within 2h. Right now you can be happy if you find 1 BH25 group a week... If you pugged ICC25 it wasnt a big issue if someone was bad, there were enough pugs to replace the bad ppl. Right now you cant even pug 10man raids...
We didnt just lose some ppl... We lost A LOT of ppl...
So basically, if you're not in a guild, you cant do anything here. (except for lfg/lfr ofc)
SSL is a great server with a great community. The only thing that is wrong here is the lack of ppl.

This realm has been "dying" for the last 6 years as soon as it was opened. Yet we are all still playing here. Doesn't look that dead to me.

06/05/2012 23:48Posted by Lumine

Yet we are all still playing here.

Yea, most 25m guilds have disbanded or moved and it's nigh impossible to find a competative arena team on the server. Clearly everyone is still here.

There is nothing SSL players can do to help the situation. It's not going to help if you go around making RP events. It's not going to help if some guilds merge and create a top100 progress guild - 10 or 25man doesn't matter. Saying "stop whining and start contributing" is the stupidest thing to say in this situation because there's very little players can do to make a realm more or less attractive. Start contributing to what?

You can't blame people for expressing their discontent about something they can't help.

If anything, you need to be much more vocal. Mass whining and hoping that some day, one of the forum CMs will bring this issue up in the office. Not on SSL forums - whine on General or maybe CS forums. Make a giant thread (or several threads if there's enough posts) and ask players from the other RPPvP realms that aren't Defias to post as well.

You need to ask for a realm merge. Blizzard have done it before. Back when they opened the Russian locale, there were two realms - Molten Core and Stonemaul - that were almost exclusively populated by Russian speaking players; Blizzard allowed Free Character Migration from these two realms to any European realm, and then warned everyone that the realms will permanently shut down in 2 months.

They could easily do the same thing with SSL. Allow free transfers to either SSL, Ravenholdt, Sporeggar or TVC (choose one) and shut down the rest of them. You just need to whine more.