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Change This loot system! People are suffering
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Edited by Elunê on 25/04/12 21:55 (BST)
Okay this madness has to be stop. Whats wrong with you Blizzard. You made raid finder for what and now what happends.
* Everyone can see new patch concepts. * Nice upgrades for real raids. * Bla Bla Bla.... And what happened now. * Ninja rating increased. * Players like ninjas are trolling when you are writing to Raid Finder chat about items that ninjaed. * Nobody invites you for real raids if you don't have enough item level. Also your friends wants you to increase your item level. * If you cannot win any item because of ninjas you have to wait 1 MORE WEAK to join normal raids. * Now everybody ninja. WHY? Because if you need item and you're asking for help from your friends also taking items for you. * Normal 10/25 dying. 10 still stands but 25 is dead. * And the last thing. Nobody cares if they don't lose any item. Also Blizzards don't care about this situation. You don't need to wait for next patch or expension. You can make fix patch for loot system. Many people are suffering because of this loot system. I can understand i lose items because of my unlucky rolls or just they didnt drop. But i cannot understand why let the other players ninja items. Its your fault Blizzard. Now your turn correct the mistake. I just remember once players rolls are autopass on items that they already have. That was working on Unique Trinkets Rings Necks etc. Do something like that. It won't be hard for you. I also want to talk about Spiritual items. Ofc Balance Druids Shadow Priests and Elemental Shamans can need on Spiritual items because spirit counts as hit rating for them. And nobody can say anything about that. But what the hell?? When they got tier 13 raid finder or normal any tier they are selecting need on any other tier that they dont need. They are doing this because of their friends or their offspec. Some of them doing this for gold. If they cannot sell it to anybody they are selling it to vendor for less gold. Its my opinion. You can change it or keep it or just ignore it like always. But i'm just thinking to stop playing this game because of this. Note: Sorry for my english. I wish everyone understand what i meant. |
There is no Ninja'ing in Need before Greed. Everyone is entitled for a reward based on their contribution to the raid (Which is the kill) if they're able to roll on it.
This is not new. Like, at all. I wouldn't take someone without the appropriate iLevel to my raid.
You can do LFR and Normal Modes in the same lock-out. Deal with it - my last Upgrade was one month ago.
Agreed.
What's the problem? Spirit = Hit for them, so they can use any of those items. Needing an item for a friend, to vendor, to shove in their eyes - Why does it matter to you? If they needed to replace an iLevel 1, or if they need to vendor - Either way you don't have it. |
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Edited by Elunê on 26/04/12 01:38 (BST)
Yes there are. Exp: You got 397ilvl trinket. And you are needing on raid finder trinket (Same Item with Low Item Level). I'm not only talking about tiers. Especially when bosses drop 4 tier in same time. Paladin tank want a tier for his holy or retri spec while warlock realy needs it. It's unfair because that warlock may be never won that item but i saw millions of paladin with full tier sets for every talents. It may be about luck but its not only about luck. Its also about this loot system. You can also ninja items on dungeon finder. Its also need before greed loot type. Many tanks were crying because plate dpsers or druids were stoling their tank trinket from Hours of Twilight Heroic Dungeon.
Ofc its not new. But just think about past. You can have decent gear from heroics or lower raids for upper one. Example: People were searching others with 359item level for Firelands. But If you have full of 378ilvl you cannot join Dragon Soul. You need atleast 385ilvl thats mean you need to do Firelands HC or DS Raid Finder. With this loot system warlocks mages hunters have less chance against other classes. Especially with people tooks items for offspec or their friends upgrade.
I didnt mean you cannot. I said when you don't have enough ilvl and you cannot upgrade it with raid finder. You have to wait 1 week. Otherwise you cannot join Normal raid or you cannot make any normal raid because nobody wants to boost you. Btw if ure asking to me its not boost its normal but raid finder ruind it.
You should read that sentence again. I said what the hell because of next sentences. I didnt say balance shadow and elementals shouldn't need on spiritual items. They have to. I wrote this because there is a post that stick about that. I meant they can need on that and i dont have any problem with that. My problem is they are needing on everthing. They aren't even reading it. They are just selecting need. They are stealing other players times such like any other posters here. Ofc if that item upgrade for them they have to need. But if its not , they shoudn't select need. I saw many feral druids enh shaman took spell caster dps trinkets from Spine of Deathwing for sale or elemental shaman and balance druid tooks feral and hunter stuffs. Also at my last Madness of Deathwing warrior tank won double handed sword while too many paladin dk and warrior dps need it. Its also unfair. Where was need before greed loot type ? |
I really missed the part where you absolutely need an item to continue in this game. You don't need it, you just want it. DS normal can easily be done with just dungeon gear which has no real cooldown (yes you get saved, but you can keep running over and over with random). And please don't come with the "oh I need xxx ilvl to be able to join pugs so yeah I can't progress". If you can't talk your way into pugs, it's your own fault most of the time. If raid leaders stand foot on xxx ilvl, without even armorying you and seeing you're fully gemmed/enchanted, it's not likely a pug you'd want to join anyway. If all else fails: make your own fricking pugs? How hard is it really? Or try and find some friends that know you're a good player and will take you into a dragonsoul even with an alt that is not super geared? I got a shaman that dinged couple of weeks ago, and even without the 2 lfr things she got 383 ilvl equiped, fully gemmed/enchanted. I haven't had the time to do DS normal with her but I can assure you it wouldn't take me long to find one if some people are looking for an elemental or resto in trade. Full 378 from dungeons, crafted bracers (or vp ones if you want to be cheap), BoE belt, BoE boots, VP ring and VP cloak. Wow that was hard gearing up... Oh and I got 5pc for 3 specs on this character. Just thought I'd throw it out since you mentioned the paladin class. :) |
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Edited by Elunê on 26/04/12 01:31 (BST)
I think i already wrote that. You cannot make a pug because people dont want to join if u only have dungeon items. They always says " I'm not here to BOOST YOU". And i think your combination your skillz important than your items. But nowadays its not important for anybody. Players only want to see your ilvl and achvment and you all know this. I got 399ilvl on my paladin on my first ding day. I was lucky to won everything as holy. When i join my first raid finder i got everything i need. Then i just joined normal raid and rest comes. Now i got 399ilvl in same day. Also i didnt say i need bla bla ilvl to join raids. Other raid leaders wants it. Nowadays Guild Masters also wants it with Destroyer's End achvment to join their guild.
So you think its my fault to cannot do that? I got 382ilvl (Full best gem/enchant/reforget etc) and doing 24k dps on dummy as a hunter. But nobody cares if you dont have enough ilvl and achvment. Btw nobody can say that you need to xxx ilvl for Dragon Soul also i didnt say that. I said they want xxx ilvl and i coudn't reach it because of ninjas. I lost 4 week so what i have to do? You say me make your own raid whats hard. And i already wrote it why i cannot make my raid. Do you think i didnt even try? I realy want to explain that i started to play this game in may 2005. And i know how this thing works. For boes: Everyone maybe not rich like you. If you just started to play in any other realm what you have to do? You are realy thinking like selfish. I already bought boots bracers VP cloaks. But i'm still stuck at 382ilvl. Also there is only 1 trinket at 378ilvl for agility. And you cannot have more then 1k valor in same week. You have to buy 359ilvl justice trinket. Bla bla bla... Anyway i think you didn't get the point. While you got every sets items etc on your paladin, maybe you are stealing other warlocks priests or paladins rights. If you really want to know whats going on in raid finder just open a warlock hunter or mage and see what will happen with your nerve. I also want to add that you can be paladin shaman druid or whatever with just dinged. Its not only about luck. A warlock can try to steal your gear aswell. I meant players cannot upgrade their gear because their items keep stealing by another players. And you guys should discuss on that. Ofc there are opposite opinions but they should be about that. Not item level. I didn't post this because of item level system. I did this because of loot system. Also you can see a lot of post here about that. There are a lot of people sick about this system. |
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No offense, but if you started to play in 2005 and knows how the puggies act for raids, why don't you set your gear up for raids? You're stacking mastery while you're under the breakpoint of 2005 together with inefficient gemming and cheap enchants. Fix it, or people will wonder at it. You're also saying that players are suffering. Many players are not suffering at all, because their happiness does not depend on getting an item, they can easily prove their worth in gear equivalent and less than yours. There's a sticky on LFR loot, as well a threads in the beta forum on that loot is going to change. There are also many other threads on this subject. Go post there, please.
If you go read the MoP LFR threads, nothing will change in turn of LFR-loot. It's all up to the system as if everyone needed. That someone needs for others or for themselves is their right within the system. Now, I don't like that people will vendor or DE them in favor of handing it over to someone who needs it, but the only person who can change your reaction to losing an item, either through a bad roll, being outrolled, losing an item fair and square or that it didn't drop is you. |
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Edited by Elunê on 26/04/12 03:32 (BST)
First of all please read my all commends before acting like that. I said i made this post because of loot system and ure talking about my items and stats ? Really whats wrong with you people. Secondly im playing as restoration and im doing 20k hps on normal fight. So its ok for me with mastery.
Also i said i can understand *i lost item because someone needs it aswell so its ok for me. *item didn't drop. Its still ok for me. But i cannot understand that other players selecting need on what they really dont need. I said people are suffering for metaphorical. Ofc they are not really suffering. And please stop copy pasting same things for every person with that situation. People are trying to recieve some ideas and anwers about loot system. I'm not crying here because of i lost 1 loot. I know there is a sticky threads but i saw many ppl didnt recieve any answer. And i think it will take more attention when i make new thread. Also i wrote players taking whole loots when they have betters. This is the problem not my items and reforges... If you realy want to crush somebodies words, please try another post. And still i joined this game in 2005 and i really dont care about your comments about my stuffs... If you want to comment on loot type, plz do. But dont say me read bla bla . I already read that thats why im mad. And i said its unfair. I didnt say blame someone.... But you people are blaming me because i said loot system has problem?? |
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There is no ninjaing, they won a fair roll stop this QQ i deserve teh lewt boohoo
if i kill the boss why shouldn't need on loot even if already i have it? I'm not there for boost you deal with it, normals can be cleared with hour of twilight gear nowadays with the imba nerfs. |
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Edited by Elunê on 26/04/12 03:55 (BST)
There is no ninjaing? Do you even read what you wrote at second sentences? Thats ninjaing. Secondly if you dont need any loot why do you join raid finder? Stole others loots? Trust me youre not boosting other 24 player. They are boosting you to finish instance. And when i have something to say about it why i have to deal with it?
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Edited by Dotnloot on 26/04/12 04:08 (BST)
Are you serious? Ninjaing = stole something before you get the oppurtunity to get a shot on it they won a fair roll stop QQ there is no ninjaing, need before greed= working as intended you can keep QQ like there is no tomorrow but won't change the fact that who ever got the item even if he already has it didn't ninja, is called need before greed and is working as intended can be morally wrong but still within the game rules. |
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Haha... I read the title of the thread and could not stop chuckling.
There are bigger problems than losing out on some pixels bro. |
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Edited by Tigbit on 26/04/12 11:07 (BST)
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- OP who doesn't understand contribution = reward. - OP with purple fever. Greed is a terrible thing. - OP who doesn't understand the concept of "need". - OP who thinks lack of progress grants entitlement over gear. - OP who doesn't know what "ninjaing" means. http://us.battle.net/support/en/article/ninja-looting-blizzard-s-stance You should read this: http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/3388951345 |
Oh yeah I forgot. Being rich is about being lucky or something. Always love it when people come up with stuff like that. They can complain about loot all day, and sit in Orgrimmar doing nothing. Instead of going out to farm (or play AH if you're good at that), only complain instead. There's a ton of stuff to get crafted/BoE in any tier that is not dependant on randomness, go get them if you care that much. Anyway i think you didn't get the point. Oh I get you just fine, don't worry. :) While you got every sets items etc on your paladin, maybe you are stealing other warlocks priests or paladins rights. If you really want to know whats going on in raid finder just open a warlock hunter or mage and see what will happen with your nerve. Lol wut. Now you lost me though. Wth does any class have to do with stuff like that? My main is a mage tyvm, there's no difference. I meant players cannot upgrade their gear because their items keep stealing by another players. And you guys should discuss on that. Ofc there are opposite opinions but they should be about that. Not item level. I didn't post this because of item level system. I did this because of loot system. Also you can see a lot of post here about that. There are a lot of people sick about this system. There is no stealing. Unless they hack your account. Items not in your bag are not yours, stop thinking like that. Whether they use that item for off-spec or give it to a friend or whatever, it's not yours. |
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Edited by Nuvielle on 26/04/12 13:51 (BST)
I'm not copy pasting. It is actually getting somewhat tiring writing the same thing when many people don't follow the Code of Conduct and instead of posting in another thread they think they're special snowflakes deserving the right to clutter the forum with many threads on the same subject; loot entitlement in a random environment.
This is the thing. The roll system that we have is meant for an environment where people care about others progress as well as their own. On a realm with forum moderation or in a raid group people won't ninja due to two reasons: the community is best off with a shared loot pool and the moderation and retribution from a group if you act unfairly will hit you in the neck if you ninja. Now consider LFR in this. There are no shared long term goals, there are no sense of community unless guildies are running, you're put into a group of a random bunch of players from all realms mixed together where you can meet good players as well as the afk-leecher, which is possible because it is so hilariously undertuned that you can complete it with half the raid there. Everyone who was there when the boss dies gets a roll as a reward for killing the boss. The only thing you can count on in such an environment is that A - something will drop when the boss keels over B - you have a -chance- to win what drops We as players run LFR to get upgrades, but if you treat the loot there as some had to since, well, forever, where raiders also have gone -months- without seeing certain item upgrades, you'll save yourself from loads of hassle. If you had read the sticky up there or browsed the forum for the number of threads on the same subject you would have seen the same answers and you'd also not be le ghasp shocked that someone rolls need for their contributing to the kill. To blame LFR drops on that you can't get into a pug is wholly flawed. Of course you'd want higher ilevels for your resto druid, but if you were out to max out your performance you'd actually go pug heroic FL as well as DS, since Deep Earth bonuses are !@#$ for resto's. And I do comment on your gemming and statweights when raidleaders also do judge you on that. That you can do 20k hps is good. 20k hps is also what I had when I was in the middle of FL normal, so grats, you're one tier behind. I also could when I forged out of haste in the start of DS to see how hastepoints turned out after the WG-nerf. That doesn't change that stacking mastery as you do is not optimal. You know full well that pug leaders want optimally geared raiders. When you then gem mastery/int in a prismatic socket it shows that you don't know what stat is best for you. So set aside your personal gripes with everyone who tries to help you and go do what the pugleaders expect in a raid environment: Get haste to 2005, go 20 stats on chest and gem -intellect- where you can instead of going after a secondary stat you should only head for -after- hitting the breakpoint. You have done DS normal several times, so shove it into their faces that you can do it. You go, girl! |
its only a roll system ninjaing is when you take item without anyone getting a chanse to roll on it. So no thiere is not Ninjaing in Need befor Greed its jerk move only :P |
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Sometimes I turn off loot rolls, raid chat and whispers when I enter LFR. Afterwards I check my bags to see if I won something, and if I have then it's a pleasant surprise. This way, I don't care who wins what for whatever reasons they could have.
But they're fixing the looting system next expansion anyways. As for the "I can't get into pugs..." issue, there are a few ways to resolve this yourself. You can either join a raiding guild, or you can form your own pugs. With a group that is 380+ I'm sure you can reach around 4-5/8 if they're all competent; even if it's not a full run, you're all still getting a shot at gear. And if people rage about not wanting to carry you or whatever, you can just tell them that you're not forcing them to join. I'm sure there's more than one person on your server who'd like to raid with a lower ilvl than is generally expected. |
