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In terms of background, I have been playing WoW for just over five months and been with the same guild for that length of time. Over the past few months I have been signing up for raid events and turning up. When I have not signed up for a raid, but other members haven't turned up, I have always helped out and joined the raid when asked and on line.

Last night I was accepted into the raid. But there were too many healers so I was asked to log on my hunter. When I logged on the hunter I w/s them. I waited for ages then noticed the 10 man party had started DS.

Is this how other guilds operate when they have too many players? I know everyone can't play in the raid all the time and it is good to rotate players. How do other guilds deal with these situations?

Wow, that's just really bad form in my opinion.

As we have made progression and expanded our guild, we have had many more sign ups for our raids, and we quite often have to let people down. Sometimes this is down to numbers, other times it is down to skill, gear or raid setup and what classes we already have in. If i do find myself in a position where I cant take everyone who wants to go, i will make a point of speaking to that person individually and make sure they understand the reason and do everything i can to make sure they arent upset by it. In all honesty - and perhaps im just lucky to have a group of really decent people - but I have never had a tantrum thrown. They will always be understanding of the reason and be supportive of the group and guild.

I think that is terrible that your GM of all people told you to relog then went without you. I certainly would not want to be in a guild like that.

In terms of background, I have been playing WoW for just over five months and been with the same guild for that length of time. Over the past few months I have been signing up for raid events and turning up. When I have not signed up for a raid, but other members haven't turned up, I have always helped out and joined the raid when asked and on line.

Last night I was accepted into the raid. But there were too many healers so I was asked to log on my hunter by the GM. When I logged on the hunter I w/s them. I waited for ages then noticed the 10 man party had started DS.

Is this how other guilds operate when they have too many players? I know everyone can't play in the raid all the time and it is good to rotate players. However, it would have been nice to have had a message to say they were full that night.

How do other guilds deal with these situations?

No this isnt how other guilds operate, however I did the same thing once.
You have to see that organizing a raid and the last minutes before the raid starts can be very hectic.
You have to look over the people that signed up/ showed up, get in the right classes, ask people to log on alts if needed and..for some strange reason people always swarm you with tells right before the raid starts.;)
So: I once completely forgot to /w someone that couldnt come for that night, who was then very upset.
Only solution is: /tell the person in charge of your raid team, or yet better your gm, how you feel, so if it was an honest mistake he/ she can explain.

The guild that im in have a main raiding team with 10 people. 6-7 of these people are main raiders, without whom, progress would be extremely difficult. The remaining 3 or 4 gets replaced every other week, to give other guildies the chance to progress too. Sidelining with that, we have a secondary raid team with everybody who werent able to join the main raid team, and alts, since we dont have That many players in the guild (Low pop server).

So we do sometimes have to tell players that they cant join the raid cause its full, and we do choose players based on what we need the most, but we tell people in advance, and we always allow the 'rejects' to join the secondary raid with prio.

What happened to you would be unacceptable in my guild. We have it very organized who raids when.

We, as a guild based on progression and getting realm first kills, don't do rotations. We take the best players and classes for each boss, and if someone wants a spot, they're just going to have to be better than the people we took at that point. This helps improve overall performance, and it helps gets kills because we always have the best group for that moment trying a boss.

IMO, this is fair for a progression based guild: If you want spots, you're going to have to be the best you can be. If you are extremely good, your spot is going to be pretty much guaranteed at all times.

The OP said that he was specifically asked to log his hunter, so it wasn't about guaranteed slots. I suspect, as others have said, that the RL just missed him in the flurry of invites.

I agree, you should talk to the RL, but the most impressive thing is that you didn't throw a tantrum in gchat or spam the RL with whispers during the raid, which makes you a positive asset to the raid team. If the above behaviour was repeated, then I would be less keen on remaining in a guild like that, but everyone makes mistakes sometimes.

Thanks for the different view points they are very useful. Having never been a raid leader I hadn't appreciated how hectic it must be to organise things on the night. It does make me think that the process of organising the raid could be eased by more planning. I have organised to speak to the GM tomorrow to bounce a few ideas around.

Things can get hectic for sure, there have been times when I've forgotten people that I promised spots. But what can you do, no one is perfect. As long as it's not something which is repeated then I wouldn't read too much into it.

You got invited on your priest (meaning you already had 1 of the 10 slots), you got asked to relog to your hunter, you whispered the RL and got no response.

Leading a guild, leading raids, can indeed be a tremendous task but in this case, you were probably replaced by someone in the few moments you were relogging and was ignored to avoid them having to explain themselves. If I were you I'd take this as a message that you might not be as appreciated in your guild as you should have been. I'd find a guild with better leadership.

You got invited on your priest (meaning you already had 1 of the 10 slots), you got asked to relog to your hunter, you whispered the RL and got no response.

Leading a guild, leading raids, can indeed be a tremendous task but in this case, you were probably replaced by someone in the few moments you were relogging and was ignored to avoid them having to explain themselves. If I were you I'd take this as a message that you might not be as appreciated in your guild as you should have been. I'd find a guild with better leadership.

Indeed. It won't have been an oversight, but a deliberate act to get shot of you from the raid group. I would definately find a guild with raid leaders that have the courage of their own convictions.

My guild has the oddest way to give people a chance to join, obviously mains are a priority, but if lets say, we are lacking dps, but got more then enough healers and tanks, but lacking dps, those who have main healers who wishes to join are permitted to join as their dps alts or with their dps spec, ofcourse if they got enough dps obviously...
If we got enough for a raiding team and i have to choose away healers, dps etc.. i choose those who have raided recently with the same team, so those who did not raid with us in the past 2-3 raids has a chance as well.
I take note of who raided here and there so i know who has done what and such haha..I am too picky on details at times.

26/04/2012 13:36Posted by Sharkss

Is this how other guilds operate when they have too many players? I know everyone can't play in the raid all the time and it is good to rotate players. How do other guilds deal with these situations?

Was probably an oversight, I wouldn't take it personally unless it happens frequently. Easy to make mistakes when doing invites & everyone is pestering you!

I agree with the guys above, although I am not sure whether it was deliberate or not.

I think the best thing you can do is talk it over with your raid leader when they are not busy. As others have said a one-off should probably be ignored, but if this happens to you again I would suggest you find a guild who treat you better - intentionally behaving this way is unacceptable.

For me the worst part of being a raid leader is deciding who gets to come to the raid and dealing with the flurry of /w you inevitably get in the 5/10min before raid start. I can always tell the players who have never done it because they always act offended when I don't reply instantly. The ones who have been in a leadership position before generally understand and will leave it a good 5min before sending a gentle reminder.
It is not uncommon for me to invite the wrong person to a raid by mistake and then have to apologise and ask them to leave. This is not helped by the 10 people asking if player X can have their spot on boss Y etc...

I do think an enormous amount of drama and hurt both in game and in RL comes about because of people feeling a little insecure and assuming simple mistakes are malicious. Everyone has feelings like this occasionally and its important to take a deep breath and try to see the whole picture before jumping to conclusions. If you still feel wronged then like others have said talk to your GM. Just make sure your calm when you do and give people time to explain.