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That insane pet enrage that makes it stronger and immune to ccs + detterence = 50% of my health while I can;t do **** to him + so many stuns, the only way I can kill him is if I get lucky enough to proc instant pyro , then lb, combustion and then pray to god that will finish off his health while I watch him from the perspective of my dead character...

Whenever i try to sheep him, he either trinkets or stuns me with his pet and those two interrupts are enough to cost me my life...

That's a 1 on 1 fight you described. That's the problem.

Classes are not -- I repeat NOT -- balanced around 1 vs 1, because no one gives a rat's bludgeoned underpants about 1 vs 1 fights.

Never let him kite you, always stay close to him, becareful of trap and burst him asap

its a burst fight like vs locks

When the pet enrages, blink behind the hunter then cast mirror images then invisibility.
Predict his scatter shot or w/e it is, blanket silence him right before scatter shoot then he won't be able to trap you. If he uses a monkey for pet, you can also silence the monkey so he can't blind you. Do not let him kite you and spellsteal Master's Call.

Dunno really what to do more as fire due to I only play frost.

Classes are not -- I repeat NOT -- balanced around 1 vs 1, because no one gives a rat's bludgeoned underpants about 1 vs 1 fights

I'm sick of this LAME excuses. Random battlegroujnds includes 1v1 fights at 60% of their duration. And dont tell me that random BGs doesnt matter, because its not true. They do matter because its the highest representative section of pvp in the whole game. Only people like yourself, and Blizzard dont care.

Dont make me draw a graph on how many of you and how many of us there are in this community. The difference is that the "boss" goes with the few , because its convinient.

So stop recreating other people statements (and very stupid ones tbh) without thinking if its true or false, right or wrong.... stupid parrots!!

Btw, on topic.

There is absolutely no chance to beat a fairly skilled hunter with any spec of the mage talent tree's. There is only 1 option.

You can kill hunters only by opening on them first. If the hunters spots you and he starts the fight, you are dead. Dont even try. If he hasnt spot you , never go on him face to face. Cast invisibility and go into his face.
Start with polymorph and begin to hard cast pyro. If he trinkets it (most probably) CoC him immediately. Begin dotting him and move behind him spamming scorch so he cannot scatter shot you. If you manage to stay behind him for long enough with him not being able to SS you he will use disengage to gain distance. Blink immediately and pin him once again with nova. Trinket his ice trap (if he uses it) and if he uses frost trap, blast wave him immediately so you can bring him down to your speed.

The problem with hunters is that if they gain distance , there is absolutely nothing you can do to reach him. If you see the hunter's mark over your head , try to hide , use LoS to bring him to you or LoS the hunter (most idealy inside a small house in WSG for example) block the entrance with RoF and kill his pet.

Really , there is not much you can do against hunters, they are our counter in every single way.

27/04/2012 00:16Posted by Wesleyswipes

And dont tell me that random BGs doesnt matter

It actually doesn't, after Arena came out everything is scaled around 3vs3. Blizzard admitted that bringing arena to the game was the biggest mistake they made, since after that PvP Has been to unbalanced in every aspect accept 3vs3.

Iceblock angry red pet thing, kill. If survives till angry pet thing is off CD, cold snap and repeat.

EDIT: Oh fire. Oh well. And yeah a single strong combustion would probably solo it considering they have 0 self heals (that you can't spellsteal at least) and the damage goes right through deterrence.

27/04/2012 00:57Posted by Nochz

Blizzard admitted that bringing arena to the game was the biggest mistake they made, since after that PvP Has been to unbalanced in every aspect accept 3vs3.

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27/04/2012 00:57Posted by Nochz

It actually doesn't, after Arena came out everything is scaled around 3vs3.

It doesnt matter for Blizzard. Does that means it doesnt matter to WoW community? I tell you that if i did a poll on what pvpers are playing the most i would definately get Random Battlegrounds as the most popular answer.

I repeat... its easier to balance a game for 3v3. Its not so easy to balnce it for 1v1 (aka battlegrounds) , so Blizzard is chosing 3v3 as the easiest way.

When will you people stop accepting whatever the "boss" feeds you? Seriously, i'm almost definately sure most of you have no personal opinion.

27/04/2012 15:06Posted by Wesleyswipes

It actually doesn't, after Arena came out everything is scaled around 3vs3.

It doesnt matter for Blizzard. Does that means it doesnt matter to WoW community? I tell you that if i did a poll on what pvpers are playing the most i would definately get Random Battlegrounds as the most popular answer.

I repeat... its easier to balance a game for 3v3. Its not so easy to balnce it for 1v1 (aka battlegrounds) , so Blizzard is chosing 3v3 as the easiest way.

When will you people stop accepting whatever the "boss" feeds you? Seriously, i'm almost definately sure most of you have no personal opinion.

horrible argument
most people eat bad food
does it make it best food?
no

Hunters are hard to beat as a mage.
Your performance is very depentant on the hunter's skill level. Even if he's not very smart, he still does pretty mean amount of damage to you while you can't do much.

The fight is pretty much like this (note, not fought many BM hunters lately): manage to get a good combustion early enough (a critical strike pyro for a big ignite dot) before you've got to block cauterize. You can try to spellsteal his healing buff if you've got time for some strange reason. I always seem to open (if you get the chance) with invisibility, then dragons breathe + ring and cast a pyro but before blanket silence pet if he doesn't get ringed.

It's a hard fight and very RNG depentant, as you've got to get an early but good combustion up.

horrible argumentmost people eat bad fooddoes it make it best food?no

Explain me how is what you said, relevant to what i said?

27/04/2012 23:15Posted by Wesleyswipes

horrible argumentmost people eat bad fooddoes it make it best food?no

Explain me how is what you said, relevant to what i said?

offtopic : had to compliment your name as it made me chuckle, may have been used but first i've came across it

27/04/2012 02:36Posted by Cinondra

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I cant find the article but if you google "BLizzard admit arena was a mistake" You'll see.

I know I should stand as close to the hunter as possible with frost shield on but blink/mirror image/invisibility never occured to me... sounds legit but still a "do it and pray to god it works" tactic :/

I'll try everything u all suggested, if anybody has anything more to add, don't hesitate...
Thnx everyone

http://www.warcry.com/articles/view/interviews/6773-Five-Years-of-Warcraft-Speaking-With-Blizzards-Rob-Pardo

Here is the article for Arena being a mistake.

And i dont agree, arena wasnt a mistake. It was just designed with mistakes. They must re-design how spells and abilities works in pvp. All of them, not just cc.

There is absolutely no chance to beat a fairly skilled hunter with any spec of the mage talent tree's. There is only 1 option.

You can kill hunters only by opening on them first. If the hunters spots you and he starts the fight, you are dead. Dont even try. If he hasnt spot you , never go on him face to face. Cast invisibility and go into his face.
Start with polymorph and begin to hard cast pyro. If he trinkets it (most probably) CoC him immediately. Begin dotting him and move behind him spamming.... etc

Uhm....do you have a Mage? If no then please do not tell anything that will not help the fire mage. Saying your doomed if hes too far away, or just in general mages cant beat hunters 'There is absolutey no chance to be a fairly skilled hunter bla bla". NO.

I've won to hunters (skilled hunters) a lot of times and its just a burst fight. Hug him thats all, and if it is a BM, cc the pet or just burst.

Its a burst vs burst fight. And your basicly describing a duel in which you think is perfect and that everything will happen like that...no. The fight can change at any moment and there is no real rotation vs them.HUG HIM YOU WIN. nuff saif

t doesnt matter for Blizzard. Does that means it doesnt matter to WoW community? I tell you that if i did a poll on what pvpers are playing the most i would definately get Random Battlegrounds as the most popular answer.

I repeat... its easier to balance a game for 3v3. Its not so easy to balnce it for 1v1 (aka battlegrounds) , so Blizzard is chosing 3v3 as the easiest way.

Yet again, you are wrong. Battlegrounds is XvX, a fight can turn out to be 1v1, then 10 seconds later its 1v3 then a healer comes to help you so its 2v3...etc.

Battlegrounds isnt based on 1v1 at all, it is based on team effort, and groups of people fighting other people. Sure there are 1v1, but it is pretty hard to get a peaceful 1v1 in a bg.

And yes, most would be random bgs then arenas then rbgs, but with random bgs anyone with bad gear/good gear can enter no problem. Also PvErs would join.

Its not so easy to balnce it for 1v1 (aka battlegrounds)

1v1 is not BGs. When you do Wargames, doest Battlegrounds show 1v1? No, it shows 10v10 + .

I see you are a fan of bgs, simplest way to do pvp nowadays, fine by me, but don't relate everything from PvP with BGs please.