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If you want to tank then level it up and queue as one.

Tanks have different levels of confidence and abilities. Noone cares how awesome you are at kiting, just let the fella in plate do his job. "Lol look at how awesome I am kiting and MD'ing" just slows a run down when its clear the tank can't handle it, especially if its a rage starved druid or warrior.

Anyway, tanking advice from soneone whose pinnacle of success is LFR... People like you are the reason the "huntard" moniker won't go away easily.

Couldnt have said it better m8.

If you want to tank then level it up and queue as one.

Tanks have different levels of confidence and abilities. Noone cares how awesome you are at kiting, just let the fella in plate do his job. "Lol look at how awesome I am kiting and MD'ing" just slows a run down when its clear the tank can't handle it, especially if its a rage starved druid or warrior.

Anyway, tanking advice from soneone whose pinnacle of success is LFR... People like you are the reason the "huntard" moniker won't go away easily.

I leveled a tank, actually 2, and made this one tank too. Leveled a hunter too.. actually even 2... I still MD as i see fit :(

I tried tanking for the first time on my druid the other day.
Had spent a while saving up some gear, getting advice and making sure my spec and enchants were correct.

First dungeon I went into, I explained it was my first time tanking and they would need to be patient as I was bound to make mistakes etc...
About a minute into the dungeon, the Hunter starts misdirecting packs onto me. I start panicking, not sure what to do. Somehow some mobs get on the healer, I run over and swipe them off him, and then start getting hit by ANOTHER pack the Hunter has pulled onto me.
It turned into a complete cluster!@#$, I didn't know where I was or what to do and then the Healer died and we ended up wiping.
Hunter initiated a kick and I got kicked out the group.

This happened in 4 dungeons in a row, and it was always a Hunter doing it. I barely got any decent tanking practice in as I spent half my time running inbetween mobs trying to gather them up.
I've now given up tanking on my Druid. Those experiences have put me off it. I'm just going to stick with Healing and DPS from now on.

Screw Hunters who do this, you either ask the Tank or you don't do it. Simple

First, never reveal your experience, join a dungeon, say "hi" or not and start tanking when healer is ready.
Second, if you have trouble with a hunter or other dps pulling, making a mess for you - initiate a vote to kick him for "ninja pulling" or so. You can ask for him to stop it at first of course, but you don't really have to, I mean he didn't ask you if he could pull.
Also, if you can, just start tanking dungeons with your best guildies. After few successful runs, you'll be ready to face the !@#$% in lfd.

I still fail to understand how it is bad for hunter to use MD pulls ?

01/05/2012 11:35Posted by Azriyel

I still fail to understand how it is bad for hunter to use MD pulls ?

Tanks have different levels of confidence and abilities. Noone cares how awesome you are at kiting, just let the fella in plate do his job. "Lol look at how awesome I am kiting and MD'ing" just slows a run down when its clear the tank can't handle it, especially if its a rage starved druid or warrior.

01/05/2012 11:35Posted by Azriyel

I still fail to understand how it is bad for hunter to use MD pulls ?

Well usually hunters i see in dungeons don't even know what md is. And let's say my shout is on cd, i have 0 rage and somebody pulls and i can't charge (and gain rage) because mobs are too close. It means i have no rage to use my abilitys = autoattack until i got it. In that time it's easy to pull aggro away from tank who is only autoattacking and missing attacks etc. U now see the issue?

Hunters are still considered the nab class, I thought DK's took over that role...

3 easy rules to avoid being a huntard in PvE

1, Turn yer pets taunt off, tanks hate that!
2, Check yer Aspect (legite huntard check)
3, DO NOT ROLL NELF!!!!

Hunted in TBC and damn it was hard to shake the stigma that comes with the class "OMFGZ yer pet just pulled half the mobs in shadow labs"

Just gief the tank a 2 sec head start. Always MD on AoE moments and CC/Tranq when appropriate.

01/05/2012 11:35Posted by Azriyel

I still fail to understand how it is bad for hunter to use MD pulls ?

I don't think its bad to use MD pulls. It's just the hunter who proudly wears his "huntard" badge will do it when the healer is almost oom with half the people not topped off.

I still fail to understand how it is bad for hunter to use MD pulls ?

Well usually hunters i see in dungeons don't even know what md is. And let's say my shout is on cd, i have 0 rage and somebody pulls and i can't charge (and gain rage) because mobs are too close. It means i have no rage to use my abilitys = autoattack until i got it. In that time it's easy to pull aggro away from tank who is only autoattacking and missing attacks etc. U now see the issue?

My point merely is that not every hunter is a bad hunter. Even young hunters need some guides. Some of them genuinely want to help tank. And some hunters (veteran ones) do it from experience and habbit - predicting what space is suitable for party. Yes, if it does not work for you (the hunters style, space or whole MDing) can always communicate. of course.

For me personally hunter is valuable asset.... never mind most of them pull without MD. Then I throw a tantrum though.

I believe hunter and tank can be a good team. If they get used to eachother.

Hunters are still considered the nab class, I thought DK's took over that role...

3 easy rules to avoid being a huntard in PvE

1, Turn yer pets taunt off, tanks hate that!
2, Check yer Aspect (legite huntard check)
3, DO NOT ROLL NELF!!!!

Hunted in TBC and damn it was hard to shake the stigma that comes with the class "OMFGZ yer pet just pulled half the mobs in shadow labs"

Just gief the tank a 2 sec head start. Always MD on AoE moments and CC/Tranq when appropriate.

Both my max level hunters are nelves :'(

I believe hunter and tank can be a good team. If they get used to eachother.

I agree, i usually run dungeons with guildies and more often than not with at least one hunter, they know exactly what im doing and i know what they are doing. i dont like it when i get a pug hunter that tries to do clever things as they usually arent particularly clever and end up wasting time.

The moment I MD with my hunter is when tank runs to the pack which means he is ready, and when he is close, to avoid spreading casters from melee.

The reason I do it is mostly other dps that start attacking before the tank. A hunter can't really make a run faster with MD. Doing high dps is the key, and spreading the mobs because of bad pulls leads to bad multi shots and finally bad dps for hunter and for the others.

The moment I MD with my hunter is when tank runs to the pack which means he is ready, and when he is close, to avoid spreading casters from melee.

The reason I do it is mostly other dps that start attacking before the tank. A hunter can't really make a run faster with MD. Doing high dps is the key, and spreading the mobs because of bad pulls leads to bad multi shots and finally bad dps for hunter and for the others.

On my hunter, I generally have 2 ways (but of course not limited to) :

1. static packs, only after tanks 1st combat move (i.e. throw, flying shield, dnd, feral charge etc)
2. When it is opportunity pull on patrolling mobs. And while 1st is normally safe bet for any hunter, then this option is what many young whelps get wrong. YOu need to have in mind tanks HP, healer mana and so on.

But either way I'd see people train those whelps rather than put them down. All this comes with experience and I have found myself being more raged at hunters, who do not MD when they could have. I do not like to wait ages for mobs to come on range instead (i.e. one - two spots on SFK) while hunter could easily just snap the mobs just in time.

Sadly most Hunters are terribad, mindless retards who have no idea what Misdirect even is, and only bash tab and 1 for their aimed shot bullcrap.

Only talking about pugs.
99% of all hunters don't use misdirect (goes for rogues aswell and tricks of trade)
99% of all hunters disengage and run out of range dying in the process.
50% of all dps are below 10k.

yes I did infact just pull thouse numbers out from a dark place but it is close.
Don't blame the hunters.... I won't, when they learn to MD and rogues to T&T

Just because you have no clue how to tank or the kiting capabilities of hunters... don't get emo when a hunter doesn't do as he's told :P

I've tanked in WOTLK through most of ICC... I've healed in Cata through LFR - neither are anything special I know, but I know what I am doing in LFD...

So when i do a random on an alt and get told to wait because the tank has an ego and wants to pause after every pack, mark targets and pull himself... don't get the craps because the rest of the group wants to get the damn dungeon over with!!

Hunters can kite most trash and can misdirect - which means we can pull ranged mobs TO YOU better than YOU!

So when you say 'let him die'... bear in mind this is unlikely to happen!

In the unlikely event that we can't kite or misdirect fails... we will either feign death or let the turtle do the tanking - he's probably better than you anyways :P

Sick of craptastic tanks with ego's bigger than mine ;)

I could not agree more.
Why would it matter TBH? You'll get trough the dungeon quicker, don't see the problem with that. =p

Gtz now there's fewer tanks queuing. Can't wait for that qq post from the two of you.

Don't blame the hunter... well don't blame the tank.

first off, i think the one with raidguide, or grp leader, should be the one setting the speed and phase of the pulls and execution of engaging battle. usualy a tank is this person, if u find yourself more and more irritated with slow random tanks/grps, go with some1 u know, or live with it.
this game is not made only for you, nor for you to blame others for their playing style.
you can give out your opinions, you can start discussing what you think and want, but you should not expect all others to accept, we all have our own opinion, 1 should always lead the grp, if thats not you, then u either follow or leave, and stop beein in pain by others or beeing a pain to others.

you can choose to not be a part of a grp you don't like.

there is a lot of bad attitudes in pugging.

i have pugged alot in all expansions, the game might have changed to both the better and worse, but the people are the same.

PS: no one likes people with bigger egos than themselfs.

And this game is made only for tanks ? Who made the tanks of the alpha omega of the party anyway ? What makes tanks so special ? WoW is supposed to be a team play - you know tanks, heals and dps working together and more tanks should see healer and dps as partners not some random "!@#$%" as many in this thread are obviously doing.

And 5 mens do not need leading. They need someone to take responsibility to organise common tactic if needed or assist the new player. But that's it most so called leaders generally hate the whole idea of assisting a newbie or act for the good of the team, but focus on their own well-being.

I wouldn't stop anyone from playing as they like, but nor am I going to play it the way they want me to do. If I'm in the mood for a smooth and nice run (for me) I get that by planning, pulling, and positioning mobs, something that still gives me pleasure. If the rest of the group doesn't want that kind of run, I'll just leave. I'm not going to do dungeons in a way that spoils my mood because someone else likes it regardless of if I can handle it or not.

27/04/2012 18:01Posted by Zephyie

because the tank has an ego

Oh, you can guarantee that the tank wants you to wait because he has an ego and not because he is new to tanking, can you?

What if he wants a chance to learn his class properly and become proficient at using it to the best of thier ability?

A little patience wouldn't kill you sometimes.

Relax a bit and sure, if he/she fails, take the 'try doing this approach' and if it still fails, pull for them and get it over with.

Just pick up the mobs