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Concussive shot.
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Hello, I came here to find out why does concussive shot have greater duration than cooldown.
One or two reasonable explanations, not 20 of them saying "so we can lol around you while we watch you squirm" |
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Becease are supposed to kite our enemies.
Its OP at lower levels, its fine at max level. A ability should not get nerfed becease its strong at the lower levels. |
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Why does hamstring have no cooldown? Why does crippling poison?
My answer would be that it's a core mechanic and if you are keeping it up 100% of them time then you're doing something wrong. |
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You can see this shot abit like frost mages slows....but way way way less Op...
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Why would you be doing something wrong for keeping concussive shot up 100% of the time? That just doesn't make sense.. |
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You have other slows, you have other abilities. It has a 4 second cooldown, thats between only having 3-5 globals inbetween each shot.
You have a 50% slow tied into chimera shot, why do you want to apply the same slow? |
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Chimera is a 9 or 10 second CD... it's Daze lasts 4 seconds -> Concussive shot can fill in the empty space.
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You have other slows, you have other abilities. It has a 4 second cooldown, thats between only having 3-5 globals inbetween each shot. Because you might want to use freezing trap to cc somebody? because not everybody plays MM? |
You have other slows, you have other abilities. It has a 4 second cooldown, thats between only having 3-5 globals inbetween each shot. EVERYBODY plays MM. The only reason to play anything else is because you're awful and don't know what you're doing, or you want to see if there is a glimmer of hope that one day survival will come back and everything will be right in the world.
And shockingly enough, if you chimera to do damage. Like you should in mostcases. It slows them for 4 seconds, then if you use concussive shot afterwards you slow them for 6 seconds. Then afterwards, you can use chimera again. This isn't hard to understand. |
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That is incorrect, and i'm not referring to survival, I was referring to BM. No need to be elitist. Last time I checked, Arena was not the only place where you can PvP in WoW. So yes, if you use freezing trap to CC somebody you do need to keep up Concussive 100% of the time. |
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It is to cripple warriors when they have intercept/heroic leap/charge/intervene on cooldown.
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That is incorrect, and i'm not referring to survival, I was referring to BM. I was refering to BM in my statement before I talked about survival. I'm not being elitist, you're not an individual snowflake for using BM. You're just gimping yourself. It's a poor decision before you even use a skill.
That's right. Let's see where the other specs are better. WPvP, MM. Bg's, MM, Dueling, MM. There's a pattern here. |
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Hello, I came here to find out why does concussive shot have greater duration than cooldown. Cause we cant use ranged weapons in melee distance (till MoP at least) so when you come close enough to hamstring us were dead? :P |
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Actually, only glyphed concusive shot can slow ferals, rogues and palas because it denies the speed buffs they use. If you don't use glyphed concusive shot all classes with a sprint will catch up with you so it's not that bad to have a big uptime in concusive shot. |
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Edited by Gilrak on 04/05/12 15:07 (BST)
Random BG's you mean? Nope, not really. The higher uptime on cd's really helps BM hunters in BG's(and the fact that far less people in BG's know how to counter BM hunter) Dueling, MM. BM is the superior 1vs1 spec, so its actually better for dueling. I'd say it depends what class you're 1vs1'ing against.
Yes, yes you are. you're not an individual snowflake for using BM. Never said I was. You're just gimping yourself. Nope.
For arena maybe, but since I don't do arena that is kinda irrelevant.. Now I ask you something, how is it that keeping concussive shot up in a bad idea, if a) you play BM(in random BG's and duels, maybe some 2vs2 arena), or b) have it glyphed and you want to apply the effect of said glyph? |
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Now I ask you something, how is it that keeping concussive shot up in a bad idea, if a) you play BM(in random BG's and duels, maybe some 2vs2 arena), or b) have it glyphed and you want to apply the effect of said glyph? Maybe it is not a bad idea, but its not the brightest either. Perfect game play means using every single ability just when it's needed, a priest might be running to your BG crowd in order to aoe fear them and you might be out of conc cd because you just applied it to your current target even tho it is miles away from you and you have some other slows or even snares such as trap launcher+snake trap. I'm a big fan of concussive shot myself aswell but just because its short on cd doesn't mean you have to spam it every time its available. You might need it 1 sec later on a bigger threat. |
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I'm obviosly talking about when you acteally need to keep it up 100% if the time, when kiting a rogue or something. I'm not saying use it on cd, I'm saying it should be kept up on your target if said target is trying to kill you. |
I'm obviosly talking about when you acteally need to keep it up 100% if the time, when kiting a rogue or something.
1 class out of 10 = 10% 16 seconds out of 180 is sprint so about a 9% uptime. Then 9% of 10 is 0.9%. Now lets say 3 classes with sprint like effects that go beyond 100% run speed with 50% slow. so 2.7% of the time. So 2.7% of the time, you are playing correctly with concussive shot. I'm being generous here, the paladin run speed isn't too relevant within kiting a target along with all casters.
I'm not saying avoid using it completely.
I'm not being elitist, I'm not comparing myself to you, or anyone else and bringing YOU down because of it. The fact is that BM is a poor spec and in PvP it will always be poor to rely on an NPC to do your damage. I don't care what you like playing, BM is awful. MM is the better spec in every aspect. It has so much more than any other spec. The fact that you even THINK you have to keep a slow up 100% of the time shows how poor the spec is as to limit what you can do in a gcd window of 6 seconds. For all your quoted replies to me, list how BM is at any level even close to MM. Just list the key advantages it has. |
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Why would you be doing something wrong for keeping concussive shot up 100% of the time? That just doesn't make sense..Yes, yes you are. Thinking every hunter who doesen't spec MM is bad is elitist.
Its poor in arena, not in Duel's/random BG's.
Your pet is more of a DoT you can put on your target, its not poor because it does its job. It attacks whoever you want it to attack, it cant exactly be compared to a npc. I don't care what you like playing, BM is awful. Then acteally point out why BM is awfull instead of just repeating yourself. MM is the better spec in every aspect. It has so much more than any other spec. Like what? aside from readiness and silencing shot.
If you're kiting your target you're supposed to keep it 100% of the time ye... unless said target is CC'd.
-You always have the +500 agi buff active because of the spirit beast. -very low cd on disenage -Lower cd on detterence. -lower cd on the +10% AP buff. -Better focus regen. -Better offensive cooldowns. |
It's poor in both. Regardless, the only PvP worth considering is Arena. But whatever, head in sand and think that anyone cares about form of PvP but Arena.
Lol. -very low cd on disenage But you're concussive shotting 100% of the time? Why would you need disengage?
2 deterences.
Call of the wild? Okay, but Rapid Recuperation and the cunning call that gives 30 focus is better.
Nope. Regardless t peice t13.
Nope. BW is a curse that has ruined the class. Because of that cooldown is cannot function properly hence the alarming rate of chopping and changing it has. These ideas are pretty poor, I am going to play elitist now and say you're trying to learn which is a good thing, you're going through the motions of even learning the class. When you realise that MM has more than both survival and bm put together come and whisper me and I'll teach you how to play it. Ta ra. |
