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Curvy equals promiscous, since when?
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I just assumed Baladan was using a monocletype of thing because he is pompous donkey. Regards the original topic, blahblahblah what Gillawyn and others said. Language is a tool. |
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Which is subjective and open to interpretation. *Shrug* |
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I did indeed use myself/Nilewin as a big reference to it. That I know, and I am sorry if it portrayed the post as if she was most prominently in question. Truth be told, I first expected (perhaps naively, perhaps not) that people would give their own input of experience with it, rather than scrutinizing her. All in all, one could say that it became too much of a "You versus me" argument in my perspective and I reacted like that.
And the criticism I've received has arguably been positive in nature, even though I didn't specifically ask for it. I suppose the topic was made while I was pondering this very thing and had a "heat-of-the-moment" experience due to a recent incident. I invite anyone who now feels willing, to attempt to interact with me. Through roleplay if you want proof of my 'lack' of promiscousness, which can already be guaranteed by others I feel, or through whispers if you've more thoughts about Nilewin or myself. But keep on the topic in a way that doesn't directly involve her, if you can. Thanks. |
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As amusing as it can be to watch you stumble back from the boundaries of gibberish you spout on these forums Eragorn, how about you just leave now and we let it all go. Deal? @Nilewen. It's good to see you have actually changed your MRP, may I ask you post the updated version instead? I understand this thread isn't intended to be about your character, but it is certainly centred around her now. |
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Certainly, but for example what one person might find "tastefull" another might find pretentious. |
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Let what go? You've done nothing else than insinuate I lack basic knowledge of the english language. An outdated meme was about all your comment was worthy of and subsequently, all it received. |
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I never entered RP with it if you wish to know, I changed and adjusted the MRP but forgot the flag part. Silly mistake and all. And, Alesandra posted it I believe, though here it is again: http://i49.tinypic.com/4lnlep.jpg See it however you want, though I'd like to think it hardly is as suggestive as people believe. |
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Edited by Estëlle on 03/05/12 14:36 (BST)
Curvaceous does sound a bit provocative as a word, it implies that's what you want people to pay attention to and that's all your character is, just a heap-of-curves and lack-of-brain. Kind of like a buxom woman who wears a low-cut top with a push-up bra but takes offense when people look at her cleavage despite it being pretty much the first, most noticeable thing they see about her -- if you don't want flack for it, don't emphasize it. There are quite a few synonyms to curvy that I prefer to use; ample-bodied, full-figured, generous, even the aforementioned buxom, and there are many wrong ones that bad erotic fanfiction has spoiled for people; voluptuous, curvaceous being prime examples. Describing a character's appearance in such detail does imply this is a body "up for grabs", so to speak, and you view the physical attributes of the character higher than anything else. That way, the character comes across as shallow.
I'm not sure if I'm getting my point across and English is not my friend today, but it's a matter of wording. There are good words and there are bad words, and if you rewrite the description using less-ERPy keywords, people will also respond to you better. :) Edit://I see you did just that, nevermind then! |
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Edited by Gillawyn on 03/05/12 14:52 (BST)
I know, I can respect that. But getting miffed and lashing out only further derails the topic. It's impossible to argue with someone who won't argue back. And to directly quote what it says in the Description area guideline. "Remember that ONLY appearance descriptions go here". I'd add personality if it wasn't something people should explore in RP - and if it wasn't supposed to be there in the first place. See, this I agree with. But there's ways and ways of describing characters. It's not about what words you use, it's about what you choose to mention and in what order. Example: "Her face is striking and unscarred, remarkably so for a soldier. When not in armour, her figure is clearly feminine, despite her overall wiriness. She walks with a defiant confidence that suggests she has no fear of being looked at, even invites it. The thick burn scars on her hand and the missing piece of her left ear are impossible to miss." ...as opposed to... "A soldier's build, missing most of her left ear. Her gear, whether armour or plainclothes, shows signs of both hard use and solid maintenance routines. She carries herself with a professional sort of disinterest and a standard look of wry cynicism. All that saves her from being completely off-putting is a quick smile, though even that tends to a crooked banshee smirk." Both are accurate descriptions of Gillawyn, both describe only what can be seen by looking at her - but can you see why I use the second rather than the first? The first emphasises her attractiveness, which I don't think is an interesting quality or relevant to how I want people to react to her -- the second emphasises her no-nonsense professionalism, which I think is interesting, and the thing I want front and center when people deal with her. The first implies ERP because I only talk about her body - it describes her like a passive object. The second implies military RP because I talk about what her looks suggest she does - it describes her like an active subject. EDIT: Looking at your updated flag, that's exactly what's going on with your description. You describe her like an object, in terms of features of her body and attractiveness. If you want to avoid the ERP'er implication, just change that - describe her as a subject, in terms of what she does and cares about (or rather, what her body and gear suggest she does and cares about). "Though her curvaceous figure and exotic features wouldn't suggest it, (insert description implying competence as a warrior)" covers the whole of your description, except for the last paragraph on her voice. |
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Main Entry: voluptuous [vuh-luhp-choo-uhs]
Part of Speech: adjective Definition: given to sensual pleasure; pleasurable to the senses Synonyms: appealing, attractive, delightful, desirable, enticing, erotic, fleshly, hedonist, hedonistic, indulgent, lubricious, luxurious, pleasing, salacious, self-indulgent, sensuous, sexy, sybaritic, wanton ^Taken from Dictionary.com. I don't think AD is pushing stereotypes. I think it's simply the dictionary's fault. |
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He is a pompus donkey, but it isn't referenced in the MRP because it isn't always on. People just make assumptions - like in the case of this thread, people using certian words, descriptive styles etc. become a victim of sterotypes. |
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Edited by Kelvain on 03/05/12 15:00 (BST)
I have not read the full thread but have just seen this 'updated' MRP. I'm not entirely convinced it's updated. I think it is a good thing I did not see the old one!
And everyone else I have ever seen, with this kind of MRP, has been one of these promiscous ERP obsessed types. I think the reactions are rather justified. I think you can achieve what you want in a couple of words in a couple of lines, not five words in every line for multiple paragraphs. Curvasceous is mentioned three times, exotic twice, and then there's the dreaded voluptuous, plump lips, ample cleavage and swelling breasts. I mean, I had the idea before I even read the Outward Description by your title and weight. Let's not forget the alluring voice to go beyond the appearance. Short story is, in my opinion, this does mean curvy equals promiscous. It appears to be really overdone. I can't see what you would be trying to achieve here otherwise. Like I said, couple of words, couple of lines tops. "Nilewin appears to be a fairly good looking woman with a feminine figure" or something simillar would even have sufficed. |
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Edited by Nilewin on 03/05/12 15:05 (BST)
I really must have another look at a dictionary. I honestly thought - as English is not my mother's tongue - that voluptuous described a body shape, not what it seems to be. Thank you, Sephara!
Edit: Exotic is meant in the context of her looking different to a normal Stormwindian citizen. Most aren't darkskinned and so forth. My lacking vocabulary makes itself apparent again, obviously! |
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Leave it to the dead to kill the discussion of curves.
My work here is done. |
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Edited by Kelvain on 03/05/12 15:14 (BST)
Exotic can mean that, but is often read as more suggestive. Kelvain is from the south himself. Again, as it has been mentioned, alone 'exotic' can be pretty innocent but when repeated and when combined with the others I think it has another effect - it's commonly used by the wrong crowd, from my experience.
Edit: Also http://www.thefreedictionary.com/exotic |
