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Havent been able to raid yet, soo, hows the 20% coming out?. Is to much? Not much of a difference? Same as in 10-15, and so on?

Felt abit more of a nerf this time but thats not so wierd when its 20% of the base value and not an added -5% to the current 15% values.

Stuff dies faster thats about it.

It's a 5.88% nerf and everyone after the first will be felt harder.

03/05/2012 21:51Posted by Spamz

It's a 5.88% nerf and everyone after the first will be felt harder.

Don't confuse the little ones, they might not understand.

It feels like every time the debuff goes down another 5%, our players abiliites go down by 10%. Somehow you'd expect that 20% buff would let us clear the instance even faster, but no way, didn't even manage a full clear tonight, Spine and Madness -20% seem too hard for us. :D And wipes on even the most simplest of the bosses, yeah. :>

hm, easy? :-x We did 2 achievements tonight.

03/05/2012 22:11Posted by Kirvbanana

It feels like every time the debuff goes down another 5%, our players abiliites go down by 10%. Somehow you'd expect that 20% buff would let us clear the instance even faster, but no way, didn't even manage a full clear tonight, Spine and Madness -20% seem too hard for us. :D And wipes on even the most simplest of the bosses, yeah. :>

What you mean you cannot survive 4 oozes on Yor ? I mean I did, quite a while, then CDs run out and since healers were dead before, we wiped at boss having no less than 10k hp...

03/05/2012 23:45Posted by Azriyel

It feels like every time the debuff goes down another 5%, our players abiliites go down by 10%. Somehow you'd expect that 20% buff would let us clear the instance even faster, but no way, didn't even manage a full clear tonight, Spine and Madness -20% seem too hard for us. :D And wipes on even the most simplest of the bosses, yeah. :>

What you mean you cannot survive 4 oozes on Yor ? I mean I did, quite a while, then CDs run out and since healers were dead before, we wiped at boss having no less than 10k hp...

Well, 4 oozes indeed caused us some problems, I didn't really like the combo with tons of damage but with purple up :( PS. nerf dk tanks!

04/05/2012 00:14Posted by Kirvbanana

PS. nerf dk tanks!

Dear loyal customer,

We have after long and thorough consideration declined your request to nerf DK tanks.

Yours,
The Blizzard balancing Committee.

PS! No, we do not nerf rogues either.

It was definitely more boring to heal; so I blew up someone on Yorsahj, something/someone blew up another one which killed the other healer with another dps who got combat ressed. And what you know, we had Red & Yellow & Black right afterwards, which apparently is solo healable now (if DK tanks don't count as an extra healer that is)... Spine is also easily two-healed (did it with an off-spec resto shaman).

Then I think everyone lost half of their brain cells to boredom so we couldn't kill Madness.... At least that is what I want to believe -.-

It's so easy now that we started to do "wierd" tactics for ranks:

Cleave Morchok+Kochrom together.
Kill one set of tentacles on Zon'ozz, nuking after ball goes in second time.
Let all dark/yellow ooze combo's hit (killing !@#$ like purple etc instead of yellow).
Place 4-5 dps in each quadrant on hagara to blow up crystals in no time.
1-2 heal ultraxion (pally + shaman, shaman died to HOT so he had zero mana = basicly solohealing for the pally).
Afking on warmaster because nothing to do.
Not kiting bloods anymore on Spine (just aoeing them down).
Skipping second impale on Madness. Lusting on last platform to only get 1 set of adds (fragments/terrors) total.

04/05/2012 03:34Posted by Dracodraco

1-2 heal ultraxion (pally + shaman, shaman died to HOT so he had zero mana = basicly solohealing for the pally).

http://worldoflogs.com/reports/rt-esrn7s6ep58n7suj/sum/healingDone/?s=4966&e=5182

Died to Spirit Link Totem, and that doesn't look like solo-healing to me. ;)

Draco, i reccomend on next yor let all oozes in. It's pretty funky. *stretches* Not sure how massive it is in 25 tho. :D

04/05/2012 03:34Posted by Dracodraco

1-2 heal ultraxion (pally + shaman, shaman died to HOT so he had zero mana = basicly solohealing for the pally).

From the healing forums.

http://worldoflogs.com/reports/rt-whrk1tjimamvup24/sum/healingDone/?s=6740&e=6953

Going to have to try hard to beat an actual solo heal.

Faster farm, i love it so much.

HC modes:

Morchok: Easier than normal.

Yor: No damage, healers barely need to heal at all during purple (except the tank).

Zon'ozz: Still a !@#$% to 8-man.. You can bounce it a lot more than earlier.

Hagara: We didn't even get a third special phase! Had it on 4% when the first frost Phase started, enuff said.

Ultraxion: Just as normal, i can now soak only with Pain Supression and Sacrifice! (Max DIPS)

Blackhorn: Soaking can still be a bit sketchy if you have bad RNG (all bolts at the same spot at the ship for example).
The tank and spank phase could be 6-manned from start to finish we noticed.. (a)

Spine: Almost killing the tendons each burnphase, getting it to 5-15% each time, the third plate dies in one go with BL.
Only potential problem can be that the corruptions dies sometimes when breaking grips, due to extremely low HP.

Madness: Kalecgos (last platform) became trivial, slam doesn't damage close as much, the pressure is removed in P2 aswell, tank don't need to pop dream for Shrapnel anymore.
Bloods dies in seconds.

Many mechanics can be ignored with the 20%-nerf, you can with top end gear (potentially) just let the Void of Unmaking hit the wall and ignore that mechanic for the whole fight, and still beat it (Zon'ozz).

The difference between now and the 10%-buff (where i killed madness) is huge.
Same with spine (killed with 5%).
I still recommend at least one good rogue and Arcane mage for Spine tho.

Remember, a Shadow priest with the legendary staff becomes god on Zon'ozz, Warmaster, Spine and Madness, get one!

Actually feels too much now, I'm very much casual raiding and 15% bosses 1-4 was a face roll, however when you can nail 4 bosses with 9-men, and one of those dropped to 8, was less fun and more just get us back to the last 2 bosses.

We start HC's next week though, and if we needed gear we'd remove the debuff for sure. Easier yes, removing the challenge makes it less fun.

We were doing some of the fights on normal for the achievements this week, madness was one of the ones. Deathwing didn't get a chance to start casting Cataclysm on all 4 platforms.The health is pretty much down to LFR levels now.

From the healing forums.

http://worldoflogs.com/reports/rt-whrk1tjimamvup24/sum/healingDone/?s=6740&e=6953

Going to have to try hard to beat an actual solo heal.

That is pretty awesome.

04/05/2012 12:40Posted by Exarineth

Faster farm, i love it so much.

Want to know how to speed it up even more? Stick to normal mode. Wooosh, done in 20 mins so you can log off for the rest of the week. Then return and repeat that 50 times.

Wait, why are we playing this game again?

04/05/2012 23:19Posted by Grimreaper

Faster farm, i love it so much.

Want to know how to speed it up even more? Stick to normal mode. Wooosh, done in 20 mins so you can log off for the rest of the week. Then return and repeat that 50 times.

Wait, why are we playing this game again?

Hows it going or the nerf isnt big enough for you yet to finish the instance :O