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Can anyone take WoW's lore seriously?
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Why, in WoW, do I constantly come across these "hilarious" characters that make the story line of WoW seem both cheesy and that Blizzard don't care.
I levelled a new character when the Cataclysm zones came up and I cannot find a single serious quest, every quest line is littered with these annoying characters that make the entire story seem like a joke. Can anyone please tell me of one quest line (Not in Outland or Northrend) that doesn't consist of idiotic characters? Note: It seems like Blizzard have continued with this philosophy in their new zones too >.> |
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Edited by Malizïa on 04/05/12 12:30 (BST)
If you think the gimmick quest characters are bad, just wait till you read WoW's actual lore (the new one).
P.S I recommend bringing some lubrication beforehand so that your palm doesn't get permanently stuck on your face, and a heavy bottle of brandy to help you get through the depression that will follow. |
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Oh fun, they'll just keep pushing me to another unnamed mmo that I had a lot of fun with on the beta weekend :)
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As for that game-that-should-never-be-mentioned's lore, I'm not too impressed either to be honest.
Still, their story, altough not amazing, is still notably better than that of the current Warcraft(altough given the craptacular quality of WoW right now, that really can't be qualifieda s a compliment to the aformentiond game). I even heard it's impossible to get fat in that lore universe... suppose it was written by an aneroxic or fat-o-phobic? :P |
As much as I really, really REALLY want to debate that claim...I can't deny some of the Alliance races fail in most respects. I'm not really biased towards either faction, however most of my sympathies lie with the Horde, mostly to the Orcs, Tauren and the Goblins. Basically I'm not really much of a fan of the Humans, the human lore sucks, their leader Varien is quite a terribly written character. Dwarves rock, period. Night Elves, are sorta 50/50 Gnomes, I wanna like them but something in the back of my brain keeps telling me not to. Probably common sense Draenei, I really like but I honestly wish their lore is progressed. Worgen, I love unconditionally, they are a great race with amazing lore |
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Edited by Malizïa on 04/05/12 13:14 (BST)
Goblins: "Here's some Pocket Nukes to win the battle, and here's a town in a box in case you wipe out your own." Orcs: "What do you mean we are few? You don't know how fast Orcs reproduce! What we suffered was just a scratch. You think Trolls breed fast? THEN YOU HAVEN'T SEEN GREEN ON GREEN!! LOK'THARRRR!!!" Undead: "Hurr durr, we'll imba everyone with our plague! Our sheer aura of awesomeness will surely cause our opponents to forget everything they learned fighting the Scourge and roll back as we come through!" Oh, and let's not forget; Thrall: "SHAZAAAAM!!!!!1" |
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Well, at least in the mmo-that-shall-not-be-named, you actually explore the world to do quests rather than being spoon fed badly written lore on a story-train that you can't stop.
Oh and if there's a bug in beta that only allows one person to progress in a quest in the starting area, that'll get fixed a month later, but only to people who aren't up to that quest yet. Blizzard is really gonna have to pull something good out of the hat to win my respects... So I'll have to be constructive. No doubt the lore is already written and they will not change that, please remove the quests with the "funny" characters, or put them as hard-to-find side quests like they were in Vanilla, that sounds more like a request, but I assure you that's my opinion on how to fix this :) Also, a more creative way to "fill" instance space than adds would be awesome, for example pillars you have to jump across, some sort of dynamic (changing) puzzle, etc. |
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I used to wish for this, but seeing how their recent molestation of Nelves went, I'm just wishing Blizzard forgets us. |
I second this. Its better to be ignored than to see the race you like getting hit by the lolore team |
and I third this. My main used to be a draenei they looked so cool and I was intrigued by their possibilities in lore and how they deal with the world and the alliance. Nothing happened. But now I am glad because the Velen story is setting them up to be fair weather allies of the alliance with the intention to make the army of light where we all work together to fight the legion, so no matter how much we fight or how much aggression one faction shows the other we can bet we will eventually put it all aside. At least the ignored draenei are not humiliated like the night elves and gnomes in lore. |
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Redemptioner, I blame that one on the fair Horde bias of Metzen and some others. While they want the Horde to be the aggressive, cool and edgy ones they also want them to be the good or at least morally grey ones.
Thus they use Alliance characters to constantly point out that they're not that different and we all should work together. That might be one of the reasons why Andruin Wrynn, prince of Stormwind and future leader of the Alliance is going to be a neutral quest giver. |
Redemptioner, I blame that one on the fair Horde bias of Metzen and some others. While they want the Horde to be the aggressive, cool and edgy ones they also want them to be the good or at least morally grey ones. What is annoying is that people have told the people at blizzard that we do not like the esculation of the war AND an increase of neutral questers. They seemed to understand and claimed their was no main bad guy of the expansion so they could focuse on the horde and allinace, AND I WAS EXCITED! but then... They decide to ignore the playerbases criticsm and suggestions and backtrack their decisions to make ANduin neutral AFTER he gets attacked by the same horde that kills his rescuers and anhilates Theramore that "Aunty Jaina" apparently goes balistic over. So they decide "yea we will change Jaina but we still need a Jaina like character in the alliance, hmmm who can we use as a peacecrafter character next? I KNOW we can use Anduin the prince of Stormwind, the alliance players will fist pump at that cause ITS COOL!" I will shake my fist but not in a fistpumping motion but in anger, I am loosing patience here, they seem to be mocking us by saying they understand and give us hopeful dialogue suggesting they are changing things then decide they think more of the same is better and we are wrong for saying the alliance is getting screwed. Also as a person playing as horde and leveled by slaughtering alliance all over the place, I do not really want to have to play with alliance leaders or play allinace themed content, it is bad for both factions and has to stop! |
Redemptioner, I blame that one on the fair Horde bias of Metzen and some others. While they want the Horde to be the aggressive, cool and edgy ones they also want them to be the good or at least morally grey ones. /agree |
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The thing is, these have been parts of the setting since at least Warcraft III [well, not the irradiation], and in some cases Warcraft II or even Warcraft, Orcs and Humans. The "golden age" of Low Fantasy Warcraft that is so often pined after, the pure Warhammer Fantasy RolePlay Warcraft that so many seem to remember, dates to before Warcraft ever was. That Warcraft wasn't. Not even in Warcraft Orcs & Humans. It's merely our subjective views as players, enhancing the elements of this pastiche of a setting that we most liked, and repressing the elements we least liked. |
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I don't wanna be a party pooper but I kinda agree with the OP. Some of the quests have got excessively silly. I have a feeling that Dave kosak who now works on the quests and used to make WoW comedy comic strips (which I do highly recommend) might be partly the cause of how WoW seems to have got a bit silly.
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Edited by Bebbix on 04/05/12 18:39 (BST)
I agree with Fyne, Wow has never been as serious as people seem to think it has, nor was WC3 (warcraft II is debatable). However, it is a lot harder to ignore the puns and jokes these days and that has more to do with better technology than a change of story telling.
A more valid complaint would be that jokes and references have been used against playable factions in a way that I haven't seen before, which in turn makes the faction look like completely incompetent. For example if the infamous cheese goblin had blown up a pirate stronghold instead of an alliance stronghold I would have no problem with him, but as it stand currently I feel that the joke is done at the expense of the Alliance. |
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Bwahahaha, this! Soooo, sooo much this! XD It's not even the quests really, some quests are a lot of fun and in general kinda cool (I loved the one where we storm Gilneas in starting quests there), but the books just suck. Barely worth the paper they were printed on. |
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Edited by Erìs on 04/05/12 19:04 (BST)
Yes and No. Blizzard was always fond of implimenting jokes anf funny stuff, but it wasn't as obvious as it's now. You often had to went out of your way to find them and it didn't feel like you were playing a comedy game. Now more often then not it doesn't. The kind of way you suddenly have comedic aspects in a serious context just doesn't fit, or at least it's not done very well in Blizzards case. Personally I think this applies to the situation we have right now http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/MoodWhiplash and not in a good way.
Not exactly something new, we had stuff like this since a long time ago. Just think about the quest in the howling fjord and how bombarding the Alliance fleet with that plague turned out. And yes I agree that turning one faction into idiots and humiliating them even if only the NPCs isn't a smart thing to do. Since most people make no disctinction between the Alliance (NPC, Lore and so on) and Alliance (Players). So if you're humiliating the Alliance you're by extension also humiliating the player base. If you're turning the Hordes into idiots, you're by extension making the players out to be idiots. |
