Topic Mad at mages? read this
Dejagore
Kirin Tor
Dejagore
90 Human Paladin
17155
op forgot to talk about the cc without any cooldown
Flambe
Aggra (Português)
Flambe
85 Human Mage
1620
11/05/2012 01:28Posted by Galty
I know from personal experience a mage will be the biggest pain the backside in game when played well and admittedly that is difficult to do in 3v3, BUT.. With comps like RMP running going loljks who needs to kite when their healer is dead in our opener.

You talk like mages are the only problem here. With lock/shaman dominating during this entire expansion (and maybe previous ones, idk because I didn't play them) I wonder why people complain about mages and rogues almost exclusively.

I'm ok with them nerfing mages, but not while there's a bunch of other OP classes and comps running around. It's like mages have to be OP to even stand a chance.
Galty
The Maelstrom
Galty
85 Human Death Knight
2210
Edited by Galty on 11/05/12 02:00 (BST)
I know from personal experience a mage will be the biggest pain the backside in game when played well and admittedly that is difficult to do in 3v3, BUT.. With comps like RMP running going loljks who needs to kite when their healer is dead in our opener.

You talk like mages are the only problem here. With lock/shaman dominating during this entire expansion (and maybe previous ones, idk because I didn't play them) I wonder why people complain about mages and rogues almost exclusively.

I'm ok with them nerfing mages, but not while there's a bunch of other OP classes and comps running around. It's like mages have to be OP to even stand a chance.


I'm not saying they're the only problem but being as this is a thread about mages bringing up other classes seems to be OT and pointless for the current thread D:

and yeah played Warlock in Burning crusade and it wasn't exactly hard.. Fear spam with dots up and things died pretty easily D: EDIT: Also destro in WotlK.. If you've not seen a video of a Destro Lock in arena from WotlK then you're missing out on some funny stuff.

''http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6EJKls4BrJw'' just to educate you a bit on how easy it was being a destro lock in previous expansions, they've never really had a hard time getting glad from since i've been playing.
Kazajuu
Bladefist
Kazajuu
86 Pandaren Hunter
13045
/palm

Your OP and you know it, stack mastery, keep targets frozen inc 30k lance spam, GG


lol

jk 35k chimera and 3 22k arcane shots
85 Undead Hunter
400
11/05/2012 02:01Posted by Syanara
22k arcane shots
xD
Kazajuu
Bladefist
Kazajuu
86 Pandaren Hunter
13045
11/05/2012 02:10Posted by Stormx
22k arcane shots
xD


Don't knock it till you've seen it =P I can crit like 40k with arcanes on dummy with onuse trinket + bom + battle shout up

those 3.2k resi xandyn fans <3
Gørgøroth
Kazzak
Gørgøroth
86 Undead Mage
6880
11/05/2012 01:56Posted by Galty

You talk like mages are the only problem here. With lock/shaman dominating during this entire expansion (and maybe previous ones, idk because I didn't play them) I wonder why people complain about mages and rogues almost exclusively.

I'm ok with them nerfing mages, but not while there's a bunch of other OP classes and comps running around. It's like mages have to be OP to even stand a chance.


''http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6EJKls4BrJw'' just to educate you a bit on how easy it was being a destro lock in previous expansions, they've never really had a hard time getting glad from since i've been playing.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1AL0UXsNljM
Lordofmagic
Outland
Lordofmagic
90 Undead Mage
9375
11/05/2012 01:38Posted by Dejagore
op forgot to talk about the cc without any cooldown


I guess you mean poly, well, good luck casting with melee training your face, and the healer you're trying to poly, simply runs out of los.

11/05/2012 01:56Posted by Galty
I'm not saying they're the only problem but being as this is a thread about mages bringing up other classes seems to be OT and pointless for the current thread D:


I did expect some DK hate. But play it right and we mages hate you as well <3
Sttorrm
Outland
Sttorrm
90 Blood Elf Hunter
16835
11/05/2012 02:34Posted by Gørgøroth
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6EJKls4BrJw'


11/05/2012 02:34Posted by Gørgøroth
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1AL0UXsNljM

good times
Galty
The Maelstrom
Galty
85 Human Death Knight
2210
Edited by Galty on 11/05/12 04:17 (BST)
I did expect some DK hate. But play it right and we mages hate you as well <3


I should hope so 'n all! Haha but yes DK is not my main, in the current expansion and the amazing 'oh look we made something viable... and its not viable anymore' patching that has happened this Expansion for classes I enjoy playing or general dumbing down of said class I now just do arena with some guildies playing silly things like Unholy/Enhancement just because we love to troll dem mages!

In fact I only leveled this to see how easy it was to play, got 1900 in the first week of being 85 and just kinda left it until i wanted to tank some LFR <3
Pwnsauce
Outland
Pwnsauce
85 Gnome Warrior
7365
25k+ ice lance spam is what, burst or "weak sustained dmg"?

highest crit I get of my warrior is when I reflect frostfire ;)
Kazajuu
Bladefist
Kazajuu
86 Pandaren Hunter
13045
http://i.imgur.com/ySs3O.png

I believe this is appropriate
Lordofmagic
Outland
Lordofmagic
90 Undead Mage
9375
25k+ ice lance spam is what, burst or "weak sustained dmg"?

highest crit I get of my warrior is when I reflect frostfire ;)


that'll happen twice with fof proc having 2 stacks. so...burst.

And I don't care, i'm not talking about warriors.
Frostjaw
Frostmane
Frostjaw
87 Night Elf Mage
6320
Our pet is OP for sure, out of invisibility I can get guaranteed shatter because first frostbolt is too fast and you notice mage when 30k Ice Lance is already on it's way.

Also, watching some 3's Deep freeze is used on healers to stop them from LoSing sheep.

If blizz changes our mastery to a passive dmg increase and makes frozen targets to take only 10% extra damage, then people would qq even more at how mages are spamming frostbolt and doing high damage all the time instead under certain circumstances.

Imo in MoP frost mastery will change due to dispel change, everyone will be frozen more often which means more shatters and more qq. I hope they don't go with "Oh, let's change it to a passive increaser that will be buffed too much at start, then nerfed and at last patch be too good due to ridiculous scaling of stats and trinket procs"
Lordofmagic
Outland
Lordofmagic
90 Undead Mage
9375
11/05/2012 05:42Posted by Frostjaw
Our pet is OP for sure, out of invisibility I can get guaranteed shatter because first frostbolt is too fast and you notice mage when 30k Ice Lance is already on it's way.


The pet can be killed a matter of seconds. 30k lance on a geared player is over exadurated unless it's human fully geared.

11/05/2012 05:42Posted by Frostjaw
Also, watching some 3's Deep freeze is used on healers to stop them from LoSing sheep.


depends on comp/situation, but yes, it's used sometimes like that.

11/05/2012 05:42Posted by Frostjaw
If blizz changes our mastery to a passive dmg increase and makes frozen targets to take only 10% extra damage, then people would qq even more at how mages are spamming frostbolt and doing high damage all the time instead under certain circumstances.


if that did that this season, mages would do nothing, frostbolt is hardly ever cast agaisnt certain comps because you'd only get interrupted every time you tried.

11/05/2012 05:42Posted by Frostjaw
Oh, let's change it to a passive increase


I'd be up for gaining some passive consistent damage inplace of burst.
Çrâwthmøðêxz
Ragnaros
Çrâwthmøðêxz
85 Troll Mage
2875
Protip to all mad warriors, spec Gag Order and the mage will atleast hate you. Doing this you can throw your weapon at mage everytime he uses Deep Freeze and you've just saved your team or 20k of your healers mana. If he Deeps Freezes you, then call it out on Skype and tell your 2 other friends to stop the mage or dispel you. You all make it sound so hard while it just requires one skill or communication.

If I'd be a first time player and would read all this mage hate, I'd get the feeling that all mages do is Frostnova someone and spam Ice Lance to that nova for it's full duration. And nothing else.

Mages aren't the highest damage dealer in arena, they dont burst the highest numbers either.

I find this season to be most balanced one I've played so far on any of my 8 characters. (outside of 3 physical dps derping to 2.2k which can be countered by certain ways and certain setups.) Yes PvE geared RMP hits hard and does not lose games so easily but that is another issue regarding PvE.

Only thing I'd say is kinda amazing is how mage can open with his partner if mage (and his rogue/feral friend) is stealthed and even that can be countered by almost every setup by just blanket silencing the mage by spamming CS/Spell Lock/Silencing shot/Gag Order and what not.

Remember, there are 5 other people playing their characters on that arena and the mage wont be able to solo them all by him/herself.

With love <3
Lordofmagic
Outland
Lordofmagic
90 Undead Mage
9375
11/05/2012 06:19Posted by Çrâwthmøðêxz
I find this season to be most balanced one I've played so far on any of my 8 characters


It's nice to see another person who's not braindead but can I ask, which seasons did you play? because this season is far from balanced.
Çrâwthmøðêxz
Ragnaros
Çrâwthmøðêxz
85 Troll Mage
2875
S1-4 and S9 to current. Skipped almost WotLK due military training and other related things. Could only play few games around decent ratings so I got the basic idea about it plus WCM has nice videos about that expansion.

Not to bring it to balance discussion but I find every class has a viable setup this season to reach high ratings. Even these legendaries are not the most op ones compared to Glaives or the ICC 2h wep which basically turned 1.8k players into Gladiators.

And sidenote, frostmages only viable setup is RMP, other comps fire is better (if only a margin) or some other class.
Lordofmagic
Outland
Lordofmagic
90 Undead Mage
9375
wotlk was the best stage, so you missed the best ^^

11/05/2012 06:36Posted by Çrâwthmøðêxz
Even these legendaries are not the most op ones compared to Glaives or the ICC 2h wep


Both glaives and shadowmourne took a long time to gain, and raiding dedication. The droprate on glaives was so so low, and getting to illidan wasn't an easy thing for most people.

Shadowmourne was a long long quest chain which ended up with you needing to raid 25 man every week.

These current legendaries? I see pugs all the time for DS. Most rogues I see now days have them.
Drhook
Chamber of Aspects
Drhook
85 Orc Death Knight
1470
http://i.imgur.com/ySs3O.png

I believe this is appropriate


i think you could well be right there >.<

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