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As an elder player I often react how some players could be nasty and cursing other players in the chat in Battlegrounds. Maybe I'm just overreacting but I think that is bad behaviour and this will only causing more damaging to the team and will not help at all. Of course you should tell other players when they're doing wrong but to use words like "idiot", "f-ck you" and so on will not get the message to the other player for what I think. It will often only get people yelling more curses back and the team suffer even more.

I doubt that if you have problems with other players, you might have problems in real life with other people as well. Or maybe it's just easier to be nasty to another "avatar" than to be it with a real human face-to-face.

My simple questions is why you are doing this. Is it some kind of adrelanin frustration for the battle? Is it some kind of way to get yourself superior to other players? Or what? I also have some kind of feeling that this is mostly young people doing this, but I'm not certain.

I hope to see some honest answers.

maybe beacuse people get frustated over people not doing anything to win or are just standing in middle and HK farm

I don't get how any game can be that stressful that people ever have the need to shout and swear at each other lol, I'm Scottish and swear like a trooper every other day but I don't personally direct it at other players in my groups.

I work in a kitchen and get burnt and cut every other week, but I don't turn around to the other chefs and swear at them for not being a mind reader and doing something that had absolutely no bearing on what I was doing or how I got burnt or cut, which is a pretty good metaphor for how battlegrounds work.

I've seen older players do it as well, in fact most players over the age of twenty one are the ones who will often be the first ones to claim that everyone around them is a kid and should go to bed when things are looking grim. I often like being called a kid, because normally younger videogamers just shut up and do their thing and kill stuff, plus it makes me feel young and gives me a good laugh while I crack open another beer :P

I generally try and use pleasant terms while talking to other people in battlegrounds. You'll get more of a positive response and results from people if you try to cover their backs and ask them to drop a smoke bomb or if they have a cooldown ready followed by pal, mate, buddy, chief, boss or whatever. Big people up and encourage them if they're not doing anything offensive to you rather than ending demands such as heal with noob, eff eff ess or tard gets you way more things in your favour. Don't treat your team mates like they are your enemy and they'll be an asset to you.

I only start getting more pressured on them if there's a low geared efc or something needed popped down at a high number of stacks, at worst telling them to have a quiet word, group up and sort it out. Most of the time players won't even respond to it for the fact that the situation is correct when any one of them should be able to kill the efc without any debuffs on them, for example.

Because by that point I'm very, very, very, very angry. I just yesterday had a great Arathi Basin. The gear of most of my team was abysmal, so my expections weren't that high to begin with. But at first we were doing decent.
Then it all went downhill. People simply rode of to zerg somewhere in the middle of nowhere, the Alliance managed to tap blacksmith while 7 people were standing around there, the guys attacking goldmine thought it would be better to attack an blood dk who was being healed by an completly pve geared healer and stuff like that.
It got worse by the minute, and those few people who were actually doing something, writting incomings and things like that were completly ignored.

When I asked if someone might want to help me defend lumbermill instead of zerging somewhere in nowhere and the responses ran along the line of "lol nup !@#$ you only have 1 kill anyway", well then I kind of had to tell them what I thought about them and the way they played. Something I rarely ever do.

Frazzlebeard, I play to win. I absolutely HATE to lose. No matter what it's about, I despise losing it irritates me and makes me very angry. When I tell people that I smashed keyboards twice already most of them are absolutely shocked and some simply don't believe me. Because I'm in generally not a person you would think would do something like that. ;D

15/05/2012 18:53Posted by Venombladé

maybe beacuse people get frustated over people not doing anything to win or are just standing in middle and HK farm

Ty, i am alway`snice but when i get killed as fc for 100th time with no support i get nasty who wouldn`t!

Because by that point I'm very, very, very, very angry. I just yesterday had a great Arathi Basin. The gear of most of my team was abysmal, so my expections weren't that high to begin with. But at first we were doing decent.
Then it all went downhill. People simply rode of to zerg somewhere in the middle of nowhere, the Alliance managed to tap blacksmith while 7 people were standing around there, the guys attacking goldmine thought it would be better to attack an blood dk who was being healed by an completly pve geared healer and stuff like that.
It got worse by the minute, and those few people who were actually doing something, writting incomings and things like that were completly ignored.

When I asked if someone might want to help me defend lumbermill instead of zerging somewhere in nowhere and the responses ran along the line of "lol nup !@#$ you only have 1 kill anyway", well then I kind of had to tell them what I thought about them and the way they played. Something I rarely ever do.

Frazzlebeard, I play to win. I absolutely HATE to lose. No matter what it's about, I despise losing it irritates me and makes me very angry. When I tell people that I smashed keyboards twice already most of them are absolutely shocked and some simply don't believe me. Because I'm in generally not a person you would think would do something like that. ;D

This yesterday alliance version in ab and eots. They: you suck you have no kills > me i`m only defeding lm here! they ahve 1 healer 4 dps i can`t kill anyone only delay.... come help ffs. And yes i clicked help st and guard gm so many times in 5m and nobody ever responded.

Lightgoddess, well I had my payback on that emote spamming healers of theirs in the next game. Apparently s/he thought it was very funny how our DPS completly ignored their healers while theirs went straight after us.
Well I doubt s/he found it very funny when their whole team was obliterated in the very first clash in the middle of warsong gulch. Graveyard farming for 25 minutes ensued.

(Both sides were completly random, and the only reason I participated was that damn nightelf heal druid. I wish I could've seen her/his face. :D )

15/05/2012 19:02Posted by Erìs

Frazzlebeard, I play to win. I absolutely HATE to lose. No matter what it's about, I despise losing it irritates me and makes me very angry. When I tell people that I smashed keyboards twice already most of them are absolutely shocked and some simply don't believe me. Because I'm in generally not a person you would think would do something like that. ;D

I play to win as well, but there are some battles that are going to be lost, but nothing to get worked up over. I don't like seeing wins pished away like a tramp pishes away benefits on White Lightning but keeping a cool head is part of how teams can still bring it back from the brink. I have no time for anyone losing the plot in the kitchen at my work for no good reason and will make this perfectly clear, so I have little reason for having any time for someone totally raging and losing the plot in a battleground ranting and raving at everyone else rather than taking that anger and using it constructively in using it to fight elsewhere :P

The key is to accepting that sometimes, the excrement will hit the fan. What makes you the better player is adapting to it and overcoming it rather than raging about how futile and lost things are, or identifying what the hell is going wrong and if possible, trying to fill in that gap.

It also makes me burst into giggles when people rage. Normally because when I rage people jump and do little gasps around me xD

haha i wa socne only on the horde healer after being glued to him for 6m i got killed by 5 hordies, he spit on me and tea bags me. Then it happend they got killed and i spawned killed him time after time after time felt good. Never enjoy that but when you /spit etc or just overwhelmed (so 4 vs 1) someone and then feel pro. Ohwell i will enjoy gy camping you then. You have no respect for me for doing my job i won`t have for you:p

Frazzle, battles aren't simply lost. It's not like you're going out of your way just to notice once you reach your destination that somehow somewhere on your way you lost a battleground, accidently.
People are losing battles, because they're screwing up and sometimes doing so badly.

As for the raging part, at the time I start raging the outcome is already clear and there isn't any reason to fight anymore since we're lost anyway. Think along the long of the Alliance holding three bases, assaulting a fourth one with 700:1400+ points and my DPS running around somewhere next to stables not even tapping the base.

Sometimes battles are just lost even when your group wasn't doing anything majorly wrong, they just came up against a stronger team or things came down to the wire. I know those games MIGHT seem rare but actually I think they happen more often than people accredit for.

15/05/2012 18:43Posted by Atte

My simple questions is why you are doing this. Is it some kind of adrelanin frustration for the battle? Is it some kind of way to get yourself superior to other players? Or what?

I think this is indeed frustration most frequently. Many times this frustration is justified and many times it is not.

I get off my rocker once or twice a year, too. I shake my head at the stupidity of doing this in the /bg chat afterwards. :-)

I wonder if anyone has actually died of apoplexy playing this game?

Anyway, there are several million people playing this game. You have every psycho between between Mother Teresa and Hannibal Lecter to pick from.
There's no point getting into flame wars with people - mostly that's what they want you to do anyway.

16/05/2012 06:17Posted by Zakkar

I get off my rocker once or twice a year, too. I shake my head at the stupidity of doing this in the /bg chat afterwards. :-)

This^^

16/05/2012 09:16Posted by Shethtrah

You have every psycho between between Mother Teresa and Hannibal Lecter to pick from.

hehe

I have a friend whose characters names are;

Hanibal - warrior
Lector - rogue

Remarkably, the dude never rages. Like ever.

=D

OT;
Because sometimes they deserve it.

People do not face any kind of consequence for ill behavior, therefore, they rage whenever they feel like it. It was different when battlegrounds were realm-specific.

Personally I belive there is never a good idea to swear and at other players for several reasons.

1. It will make you a bully. Most people don't like bullies

2. The person you swear at could either be new to pvp, and if so it won't make easier for him to play if someone call him stupid, noob or retard. Or maybe he is just a HK farmer that don't about care about the battle just playing for himself. If so just ignore him. He want answer your calls anyway.

3. Most important: It will make a bad mood into the team and the team will play even more bad than before.

Of course, I can also get frutrated to other players perfomance as well, but I rather push people to do better than yell at them. And if the team get steamrollered I use to laugh at it and make jokes about it, it will make your team handle the defeat better. Cause you never know, you maybe have to team up with same players later.

(Sorry if my English is not correct)

16/05/2012 10:50Posted by Atte

1. It will make you a bully. Most people don't like bullies

Doesn't necessarily mean you're a bully. Just that you're annoyed.

I'll give you an example;

6 Horde coming at LM flag, 6 Alliance defending (hypothetical, not that 6 players EVER defend :P)... before the Horde arrives I/someone else writes "fight on flag, don't let them ninja"... 10 sec into the fight, 6 alliance still alive and NOT being cced, "Horde has assaulted LM".
Now, a sane person won't really do anything but try to win it back.
2 mins pass.
4 Horde coming GM, 4 Alliance defending... "Fight on flag GM!!!!"... 10 sec later "Horde has assaulted the GM" ... everyone from the Alliance side is still alive near the flag. They just can't seem to interupt...
Another 2 mins pass. (in the meantime, someone keeps writing "Report inc, fight on bases, don't let them ninja")
2 Horde inc ST, 3 Alliance going towards them by the little fence thingy... not seeing the rogue who went around and ninja capped.

At that point, the person who kept writing "fight on bases, don't let them ninja" simply loses control and starts cursing them for stupidity. Rightfully so.

16/05/2012 10:50Posted by Atte

2. The person you swear at could either be new to pvp, and if so it won't make easier for him to play if someone call him stupid, noob or retard. Or maybe he is just a HK farmer that don't about care about the battle just playing for himself. If so just ignore him. He want answer your calls anyway.

Of no consequence. If I play BGs, I want to win. If I want to win, I'm going to try to lead the team. If the team doesn't listen, I will most likely just do my own thing and try to have fun, but, if they keep making the same mistakes after being told for x times...well, that's stupidity imo, and I'm( or anyone else is) entitled to rage due to it.

16/05/2012 10:50Posted by Atte

3. Most important: It will make a bad mood into the team and the team will play even more bad than before.

Not necessarily. Sometimes it makes people "snap out of it" and they start playing better. Plus, some people can rage and play in the same time. I had a BG the other day where 12 out of 15 people were fighting in between themselves (calling each other idiots and such) and we still won. Not a very enjoyable BG tho.

16/05/2012 10:50Posted by Atte

Of course, I can also get frutrated to other players perfomance as well, but I rather push people to do better than yell at them. And if the team get steamrollered I use to laugh at it and make jokes about it, it will make your team handle the defeat better. Cause you never know, you maybe have to team up with same players later.

This is what I try to do too but at times you just get too frustrated.

Doesn't necessarily mean you're a bully. Just that you're annoyed.

I'll give you an example;

6 Horde coming at LM flag, 6 Alliance defending (hypothetical, not that 6 players EVER defend :P)... before the Horde arrives I/someone else writes "fight on flag, don't let them ninja"... 10 sec into the fight, 6 alliance still alive and NOT being cced, "Horde has assaulted LM".
Now, a sane person won't really do anything but try to win it back.
2 mins pass.
4 Horde coming GM, 4 Alliance defending... "Fight on flag GM!!!!"... 10 sec later "Horde has assaulted the GM" ... everyone from the Alliance side is still alive near the flag. They just can't seem to interupt...
Another 2 mins pass. (in the meantime, someone keeps writing "Report inc, fight on bases, don't let them ninja")
2 Horde inc ST, 3 Alliance going towards them by the little fence thingy... not seeing the rogue who went around and ninja capped.

I know, I have also ninjacapped a flag as DK. It is awesome how easy it is to lose focus from flag to a enemy, and don't see the another enemy capping it. It's the part of the game :) and I love it.

At that point, the person who kept writing "fight on bases, don't let them ninja" simply loses control and starts cursing them for stupidity. Rightfully so.

No it's just bad behaviour.

Of no consequence. If I play BGs, I want to win. If I want to win, I'm going to try to lead the team. If the team doesn't listen, I will most likely just do my own thing and try to have fun, but, if they keep making the same mistakes after being told for x times...well, that's stupidity imo, and I'm( or anyone else is) entitled to rage due to it.

If you are a leader, then lead the team properly. And I understand that most players wants to win the BG. I also understand that some players have a hotter temper than other. A leaders should however have a cool temper.

Imo to point a mistake to someone can be told in many different ways. However if the players continue to make the mistakes I understand something is wrong. Maybe he not speaks English (oops) or just doesn't care. I'm doubtful that he is studid or, as some peoples says, a retard. Or perhaps the player is a bot (I hate them too).

Not necessarily. Sometimes it makes people "snap out of it" and they start playing better. Plus, some people can rage and play in the same time. I had a BG the other day where 12 out of 15 people were fighting in between themselves (calling each other idiots and such) and we still won. Not a very enjoyable BG tho.

Don't know how other humans work, but I don't "snap out of it" if someone call me stupid or retard. But most important, when the players in the team yelling bad words to each other it is not, as you said, an enjoyable BG. Most of them will end as a defeat as well.

This is what I try to do too but at times you just get too frustrated.

Cheers on that mate, PVP is an adrenaline kicker and I love it also. :)

1. It will make you a bully. Most people don't like bullies

Well, that's just not true.

1/ Bullies like bullies. That's why they tend to gang together - which also makes it easier to bully non-members.

2/ Industry likes bullies. They are called 'Natural Leaders' and promoted to middle management positions where their job is to keep the workforce from bothering the 'senior' management.

3/ The military LOVES bullies. ('nuff said)

4/ Society as a whole likes bullies. They are elected to parliament on their ability to insult and belittle their opponents.

Learning to bully effectively is an important life-skill. we should thank WoW for giving children the opportunity to practice.

I just get really frustrated when I'm the only one going for EFC and I'm surrounded by 6 enemies who nuke me while my team are doing nothing. It makes me caps hard!

If my teams being awful and we're losing because of it I'll tell them so, often not nicely, but not so cruelly that it becomes flaming.