Topic (Locked) Hotfix?
Jito
Turalyon
Jito
MVP - World of Warcraft, Diablo III
90 Gnome Priest
17870
29/05/2012 02:53Posted by Sharein
Don't you think that this is rather nonsensical?

I think the thought of WoW not getting more expansions, but instead just more frequent content patches, is a peculiar idea. Most other MMOs don't release expansions, because their playerbases aren't big enough to warrant it. So instead they just get game updates like WoW gets its major content patches.
If WoW didn't get expansions, but simply relied on content patches, then we probably wouldn't have these long desert walk periods like now, where next to nothing is happening. Instead you would see fixes and adjustments more frequently.

But on the other hand, given the fact that all the WoW expansions have shattered sales records, there's good business sense in continuing to make them. And I'm sure the general concensus amongst the playerbase is also still that new expansions are super exciting. And I think so too. Despite the fact that it seems illogical that Blizzard are simply herding a lot of content together right now, that they could have released bit by bit, it is very exciting to play a new expansion and just be drowned in the sheer amount of new things — and then it's easy to forget that beforehand you just went through half a year of getting absolutly nothing :P
Despoti
Zenedar
Despoti
85 Troll Mage
2615
i trink if there are goin more in 3 mdr befor mop com out there will only be 3-5 mio ppl back in wow.... we have kill all the boss and there no more to do
Cupquake
The Maelstrom
Cupquake
90 Human Death Knight
13695
There's no point for me to play anymore tbh, basically all DKs gets dogged on now. Also wall DC fix please
Flibblet
Bladefist
Flibblet
85 Goblin Death Knight
700
29/05/2012 02:53Posted by Jito
So, what you are saying is that both "fields" are barren wastelands?

Nah, I'll argue the point that PvP is in a pretty fine state at the moment, and not in this dark and grim misery of an existence that certain other people would like to portray it as.


No, PvP is not fine, it may not be as bad as some people make out, but it's nowhere near "Fine"
Saneko
Ravencrest
Saneko
90 Blood Elf Mage
6065
29/05/2012 03:01Posted by Jito
But on the other hand, given the fact that all the WoW expansions have shattered sales records


A random comment picked out, didn't expansion sales has been declined since after TBC and right on WOTLK? To hide the fact ofcourse that you could get a SoR with free expansion up to Cataclysm.
Sharein
Earthen Ring
Sharein
85 Human Rogue
5085
Nah, I'll argue the point that PvP is in a pretty fine state at the moment, and not in this dark and grim misery of an existence that certain other people would like to portray it as.


No, it is not fine, there are still plenty of issues left unfixed.
Dalrian
Ragnaros
Dalrian
85 Night Elf Rogue
9420
Edited by Dalrian on 29/05/12 09:36 (BST)
29/05/2012 02:07Posted by Jito
loot rules in LFR then


That's not a bug. It's a system many people disagree with, but the same goes for the TB queue, not being able to blacklist Battlegrounds or having healers in PvP.

It's something some people actually support.

I personally have never seen someone support that Skypetopvp guy on top of the RBG rankings or getting disconnected when running into walls. Those are undeniable issues, about which nobody would say "I prefer it in its current state".

The only PvE issue comparable to the list of PvP issues you have been given in this thread is the Deathwing jumping bug. I've been seeing that one for a while now, and I am still quite surprised.
However, from the fact that all those other PvE issues are fixed immediately while those PvP issues can still be put into a proper list, I'm guessing this is something they simply cannot resolve.
Syrao
Ravencrest
Syrao
25 Night Elf Rogue
190
Edited by Syrao on 29/05/12 10:13 (BST)
When is rogue dmg getting fixed, and control? Seriously out of control. They lock you down while spamming imba dmg.

Same for mages. I remember helping a friend cap in 2s this weekend where a mage opened on me (without deep) for 60k, I have 5k resil. Almost gg right there (double dps, warr/dk).

Helping someone cap on my ret I healed myself for 100k. Not OP. Jk.

In 3s in a 2v2 situation a ret paladin dropped my 5.2k resil dk from 130k hp to 0 in a hoj while I was feared.

What up with feral dps atm? It feels like where back in early cata.

Also why do the most OP classes all get invis so they get their opener 100%?

Fire mages. /cry

Seriously, pvp balance is horrible, hope MoP will be better but I highly doubt it.
Rockavenger
Bronzebeard
Rockavenger
90 Dwarf Paladin
5850
Helping someone cap on my ret I healed myself for 100k. Not OP. Jk.


This I don't believe.

I have pretty much the best gear (bar weapon which is a slight improvement) and I've never, ever, crit on myself for more than 65k. Granted, that's too much too, but not 100k.
Syrao
Ravencrest
Syrao
25 Night Elf Rogue
190
Edited by Syrao on 29/05/12 10:15 (BST)
29/05/2012 10:12Posted by Rockavenger
Helping someone cap on my ret I healed myself for 100k. Not OP. Jk.


This I don't believe.

I have pretty much the best gear (bar weapon which is a slight improvement) and I've never, ever, crit on myself for more than 65k. Granted, that's too much too, but not 100k.


My gear is slightly better (410 tier and weapon) but yeah, it happened. Remember we laughed about it on skype, the other guy was like can you use lay on hands in arena.
Rockavenger
Bronzebeard
Rockavenger
90 Dwarf Paladin
5850
Edited by Rockavenger on 29/05/12 10:17 (BST)


This I don't believe.

I have pretty much the best gear (bar weapon which is a slight improvement) and I've never, ever, crit on myself for more than 65k. Granted, that's too much too, but not 100k.


My gear is slightly better (410 tier and weapon) but yeah, it happened. Remember we laughed about it on skype, the other guy was like can you use lay on hands in arena.


I don't know tbh. I've read about numbers on these forums that I've never personally seen.
I don't think there is anything wrong that I'm doing, and I can't get numbers as high as some of you.

Who was your partner? Did you get any buffs from him? Also, do you have the 6% increase in healing/healing received from prot?

EDIT; Just trying to figure out how that's possible :)
Syrao
Ravencrest
Syrao
25 Night Elf Rogue
190


My gear is slightly better (410 tier and weapon) but yeah, it happened. Remember we laughed about it on skype, the other guy was like can you use lay on hands in arena.


I don't know tbh. I've read about numbers on these forums that I've never personally seen.
I don't think there is anything wrong that I'm doing, and I can't get numbers as high as some of you.

Who was your partner? Did you get any buffs from him? Also, do you have the 6% increase in healing/healing received from prot?

EDIT; Just trying to figure out how that's possible :)


Well I have more str gems and a few 50 str ones and slightly better gear. No healing talent from prot. Rogue and a frost dk in team.
Kayosiv
Khadgar
Kayosiv
71 Undead Death Knight
535
29/05/2012 01:03Posted by Rasen


Now you mention it..... back when that LK bug was around, people still played ICC right? So why was that bug fixed within hours?


Now that you mention it....back when Ensidia, Method, Paragon etc exploited that LFR bug to get full gear, people still played right? So why were they all banned for 8 days?

Wow that has some amazing parallels with the boosting/title buying that goes on in PvP.

Apart from the 0 punishment that is.
Astilide
Argent Dawn
Astilide
90 Human Paladin
6600
27/05/2012 17:13Posted by Talzz
I would firstly recommend the developers to remove death knights from the game


Yes. Make it so ANY class can start at level 55, damn it!
Harrianlar
Outland
Harrianlar
87 Human Hunter
8140
29/05/2012 00:57Posted by Jito
When you have a community of 10 million players, ranging from South America to China, to Europe and and Africa, then it is impossible to have that kind of back–and–forth communication that you would like, because there are just too many players, and too few developers.


That's the mentality that blizzard have seemed to have taken over the past few years.

They're making a monthly wage from all of them people but they can't even openly communicate with them about their product?

The fact that they have a better communication with players on a non subscription game is quite silly.
Zhaanozbp
Neptulon
Zhaanozbp
88 Worgen Hunter
6810
What?

The pattern from wotlk has been.

3.0 - Okay let's see what works, GLG, DK's, Surv hunter, Paladins, Let's fix only GLG and leave the others to be OP. We'll fix it in 3.1 although we can fix it now.
3.1 - Okay, dk's are still OP, Prot Paladins are the best healing class, we broke hunters, lets do !@#$ all about it till 3.2!

3.2 - Dk's are much better now, prot paladins don't exist anymore, but now all wizards are on the rampage. Besides that we're near perfection. Let's not fix anything until 4.0, we'll make sure everything is perfect!

3.3 - Oh wow the game is almost perfect with the PvE gear input from ToC, s7 is fantasti- oh jesus christ it's broken again they released 3.3 gear for 3.2 pvp gear. Broken season. Yep, great. At least season 8 will have better PvP gear to catch up, nevermind, shadowmourne, bryntoll, dbw, wizards. At least everything will be good in 4.0!

4.0 Resto Druids are extinct, Disc priests are now holy priests or shadow priests, hunters are awful. Feral druids are OP, DK's are OP, Ret's don't exist. Let's wait to halfway through the patch to make it half decent. Ret's are now OP, Hunters now blow anything up with a wink, Resto Druids are still extinct, Discs are back, but the strongest healer was buffed. At least 4.1 will improve it all! Shaman and Warlockism rise.

4.1 Do nothing, except let MMR abuse get out of hand. Promise to ban, too busy trying to pretend they are doing something for that. Feral Druids still OP. Ret's into the ground. Resto druid's aren't even found in fossil's anymore.

4.2 We have some problems, mage's constantly OP, warlocks always overlords. but we can fix that next expansion as they're not big problems at all! Feral's still madly overpowered but again MOP is coming in 1 and a half years, we can slack until then!

4.3 Triple DPS is back, nothing will be done about it because MoP is coming. forget the CURRENT expansion, right? Lock, Shaman, Rogue, Mage, Feral, all overpowered for the rest of the expansion. Some being Overpowered throughout the whole expansion.

I can't wait for 5.0. All of these problems gone! Only been since 2010!


You sir, ARE A GOD!
Danellos
Dragonblight
Danellos
MVP - StarCraft II, WoW
90 Worgen Druid
8850
lol, i myself am the biggest fan of the mvps, especially dalrian and danellos <3


Yay! <3
Aiphos
Wildhammer
Aiphos
85 Human Death Knight
2260
29/05/2012 08:25Posted by Sharein
Nah, I'll argue the point that PvP is in a pretty fine state at the moment, and not in this dark and grim misery of an existence that certain other people would like to portray it as.


Please tell me your joking, explain how a "noob" in the arena world is supposed to get 2k with the current state of the game? the answer is simple: unless they are FoTM class, have BiS PvE gear or splashed out £200-300 for a boost they dont, and this needs to change.
Mírion
Outland
Mírion
85 Blood Elf Paladin
12865
30/05/2012 00:57Posted by Aiphos
Nah, I'll argue the point that PvP is in a pretty fine state at the moment, and not in this dark and grim misery of an existence that certain other people would like to portray it as.


Please tell me your joking, explain how a "noob" in the arena world is supposed to get 2k with the current state of the game? the answer is simple: unless they are FoTM class, have BiS PvE gear or splashed out £200-300 for a boost they dont, and this needs to change.


So you want to make the gam even easier? 2k rating isn't something evryone is supposed to get, ratings are supposed to indicate your skill and not be some grindy milepole you eventually get to, if you're not good enough you are simply not worthy the "pride" there's supposed to be to have 2k rating.

Dumbing down the game even more just destroys the tiny bit of competetiveness left in the game.
Slayetron
Terokkar
Slayetron
85 Blood Elf Rogue
4910
Rogues need no nerf, except crippling to 60% and maybe 1% off the recup...dmg is fine...
Nerf ret dmg instead
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