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What it says on the tin really. The Siege of Orgrimmar seems to imply that once Garrosh gets a swift boot up the !@#$ that the war will be over and done with. Of course our information at this point is very limited, so really it could go anyway and the highway.

Considering the "War" has been boiling since Wrath of the Lich King and after constant promises we're apparently only now getting the Alliance and Horde going all-out in Pandaria (despite, y'know, the Horde's blitzkrieg across half of the Eastern Kingdoms and the Night Elf lands in Cataclysm but whatever) it seems a little anti-climatic that at the tipping point of things matters would so quickly get wrapped up.

Personally? I don't think it will end with 5.3. We keep hearing hints of the "Army of the Light" coming, but I doubt they'll explore that route until Azshara has been dealt with and there is such potential with her and the South Seas alone that they're prolly going to milk an expansion out of that before going down another avenue. Not to mention this would be a chance to include everyones favourite nation of Kul Tiras who aren't liable to play with nice the Horde and get their chance to shine. It also gives an excuse for ship-to-ship battles between players. Plus people have been nagging for the Emerald Dream which means more milk.

'Bout you? Should Blizzard drag the conflict out or should it get wrapped up before its barely (according to official word anyway) begun?

I don't want to see Garrosh used as a scapegoat to erase all of the Horde's previous actions, and see the entire blame put on him.

If the war ends with Garrosh, I will be severely disappointed.

If anything, it should escalate as the leaders of the Alliance see the weakened and shattered Horde as an oppertunity to mount a relentless and merciless assault against them to elimenate the red menace once and for all.

I like my WAR in WARcraft :)

I don't want to see Garrosh used as a scapegoat to erase all of the Horde's previous actions, and see the entire blame put on him.

If the war ends with Garrosh, I will be severely disappointed.

If anything, it should escalate as the leaders of the Alliance see the weakened and shattered Horde as an oppertunity to mount a relentless and merciless assault against them to elimenate the red menace once and for all.

I like my WAR in WARcraft :)

I agree their have been to many crimes committed to blame Garrosh sure he led the way but did he for example get those two blood elves to walk into Desolace where they planned to steal a blessing of Elune and wield it for themselves?

of course the brother of the two was killed by the alliance so the sister had you wield the power to destory nijels point killing merchants and soldiers indiscriminately.

Their are many other cases of crimes that Garrosh had no say in or took dim view of, unfortunately Wrathion is the damn neutral guy who in MOP beta says the war HAS TO END AS A GREATER FORCE IS COIMNG TO DESTORY US ALL AND WE HAVE TO TOP FIGHTING TO FACE IT!!!!!!!!

I mean god damn it have we heard this line one to many times before or what? All this build up led to this war and it is going to fizzle out in this expansion, the horde will not be destroyed due to game mechanics but with no war you know damn well their will be yet another peace treaty.

Blizzard have shown some great ideas in MOP but Wrathion being used as a plot device to stop us and the conflict is annoying, hell they could do antoher couple of expansions of us bashing each others brains out as our war esculates to new war fronts and I would be happy.

Even a third party we have to fight is fine but the idea we work together and stop "being petty" is completely at odds with the political tensions and differances the alliance and horde have, this along with neutrals from alliance and horde races is damaging the story.

You could argue that the real evil faction leader of the Horde, Sylvanas will be in an even stronger position at the ends of Mists.

What she is doing with the blight is far worse than Garrosh attacking Theramore.Obviously he will do something alot worse in the course of Mists to have everyone turn on him but Sylvanas will still be there and just waiting to go further into Eastern Kingdoms.

She won't really care about a greater evil and at least Garrosh was on to her.A new leader of the Horde like say Baine will let her do as she wants in Eastern Kingdoms because its too far away from him on Kalindor to care.

There will always be a war between Horde and Alliance whilst Sylvanas and the Forsaken are part of the Horde.

Of course Sylvanas is quite capable of stating she wants peace whilst planning further offensives against Alliance.

I would like to see a big focus on whats happening in Eastern Kingoms after Mists.Especially Blood Elves! ;)

Sylvanas is Miss. Fan Service. She won't go anywhere soon. Really the only reason we're off'ing Garrosh now is because of the massive backlash towards his character.

If this was Blizzard of a <insert number> of years ago, I would've said they'd make this a turning point and begin the whole army of light thing in earnest.

BUT this is blizzard today... the war will continue. Endlessly. I don't think the Army of Light thing will even appear after Azshara is done with.

On Garrosh, I understand the overriding dislike of the Orc, I even share it - but I do think people forget that he's not all bad. Well, maybe he is. But he is a curious character. He went from wanting to emulate Grom and seeing him as a hero, including his redemption and simply wanting to see the Orcs strong (his reaction to the stonetalon bomb indicates he didn't want a total genocide), to a maniac hell-bent on slaughtering every damn thing in his way.

On the topic again though, Blizzard couldn't even get the Horde and the Alliance to stop fighting each other for more than five minutes in Wrath, when they were fighting one of the biggest big bads the series has ever had, who threatened the entire planet and actively struck against both factions at a whim.

Yeah... this war ain't a stopping. Naruu, demons, Sargarus, Pandas, ancient prophecies, not stopping.

Should it stop? Personally....no. It shouldn't stop because as has been said, the political reality of the setting is built on hate for the other side. And not just humans and Orcs, humans and Trolls hate each other, Trolls hate everything, Gnomes and Goblins have a weird competition going though I'd hesitate to call it a hatred. Hell if the damned Burning Legion and a 10k year old alien prophet and his magical fairy light couldn't stop the war, the siege of a single city and some bloke with a funny name isn't. What sort of name is Wrathion anyway, sounds like an antiseptic cream.

03/06/2012 03:31Posted by Gunnell

Really the only reason we're off'ing Garrosh now is because of the massive backlash towards his character.

Because we totally couldn't have been made to hate him so we would want to kill him right?
I mean, it's not like writers are able to do that is it?

It most likely won't end, mainly as Blizzard have said that it starts getting ridiculous. I suspect it will cool down, what with Mr Bad-Guy appearing afterwards, but there should still be a war.

Two-faction model is very predictable.. You either always have wars, or you have cold wars in between..

Because we totally couldn't have been made to hate him so we would want to kill him right?
I mean, it's not like writers are able to do that is it?

The character was an inconsistent mess. Garrosh was meant to be the Horde's Varian and vice versa, it's just that the writers had an idea of how to write Varian whilst Garrosh has a huge personality shift every other story or questline. This just seems to be the easiest way to get rid of a sore on the narrative.

The end of the war, heeh.

A faction with 8 races (Horde and alliance combined)

vs

The burning legion, people will now be able to roll customized demons in service of the burning legion, and this is where the Army of Light thing takes place, the PvP is still there!

Really, the war wouldn't end.

I would love for the war between Alliance and Horde to end when we're dealt with Garrosh.
Who says that "WAR" in Warcraft has to stand for Horde vs Alliance.
War between Alliance + Horde and Burning Legion for example is still considered a war.Plus, Prophet Velen *SPOILER ALERT* had a vision in the latest leaders short story where he saw all the races of Azeroth standing together with Dragons and Naruu fighting the Shadow, led by a single warrior with the current racial leaders as lieutenants.*SPOILER ALERT*

I would love for the war between Alliance and Horde to end when we're dealt with Garrosh.
Who says that "WAR" in Warcraft has to stand for Horde vs Alliance.
War between Alliance + Horde and Burning Legion for example is still considered a war.Plus, Prophet Velen *SPOILER ALERT* had a vision in the latest leaders short story where he saw all the races of Azeroth standing together with Dragons and Naruu fighting the Shadow, led by a single warrior with the current racial leaders as lieutenants.*SPOILER ALERT*

Meh. War is more fun between the faction.

Lok'tar Ogar! Blood for blood!

Garrosh won't die. Everyone loves Garrosh.

Maybe except Krom'gar. But his opinion does not matter so much any more.

Garrosh won't die. Everyone loves Garrosh.

Maybe except Krom'gar. But his opinion does not matter so much any more.

Everyone should have loved Garrosh.

Silly people hating on him, it is just not right, he may be ridicoulus as a warchief, but damn, he got that orc spirit.

Garrosh might be a bit of an !@#$, but at least he's an INTERESTING character, unlike Thrall and Malfurion, for instance.

03/06/2012 03:31Posted by Gunnell

Sylvanas is Miss. Fan Service. She won't go anywhere soon. Really the only reason we're off'ing Garrosh now is because of the massive backlash towards his character.

I'm not so sure his intended fate was ever to be Warchief 4 lief, but rather a character that people would band together for, in the sense that they all hate his guts.

I really hope the war won't end with MoP, there are way too many unsolved disputes left.
The Alliance for one have been suffering way too much due to the Horde and the only way to make justice is for the horde to be ELIMINATED!
And no don't pull this "It's not the soldiers fault" , YES IT IS!

The war had better not end with Garrosh.

Or rather, Blizzard had better not make our leaders that damn stupid.

The war had better not end with Garrosh.

Or rather, Blizzard had better not make our leaders that damn stupid.

exccept Wrathion was put in MOP with this exact goal in mind, he says the world is going to be destroyed and he will see to it that the war will end.

Which is why I want that meddling whelp to be a raid boss!

Bring that awesome black dragon backk from outland to be the new black dragon flight leader, screw Wrathion!

Wrathion is just another PC liberal character.

I.e. he's a worthless bastard.