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The Darkmoon Faire: Where is the roleplay at? [INFO]
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Welcome to the Darkmoon Faire realm! A common thing is people saying that the roleplay is dead, Well! Its not, you just need to find it. My guide will show you to seek the servers gold.
Now, if you have recently joined seeking Roleplay action, This server usually does "Guild" roleplay and not passive. Dont be alarmed! If you wish to join in on the fun, Just go into trade chat and ask for a RP guild. Also you can join the channel named "wewantrp" where events are hosted now and then. How do you join this channel? Well open up your friends tab (shortcut O) and click on chat, When there press the add button and enter "wewantrp" (No password!) In short: Join a guild to join in on RP or the channel "wewantrp" |
Not sure if serious... Also WWRP is a bit of a hit or miss situation, with more misses being registered than hits, sure it's a fairly decent social channel, but i left it once it was obvious it wasn't doing it's job.
Easier said than done. Also observe http://wow.joystiq.com/2012/05/05/why-public-roleplay-is-a-critical-part-of-roleplay-servers/#continued This shows key reasons why this realm suffers, along with an ailing population. |
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Edited by Sastri on 01/06/12 22:34 (BST)
with all due respect, Cazar, but please stop filling the heads of people with this utter nonsense. This realm is still getting back on its feet and those who -are- roleplaying are doing it publicly as much as they can. We can only do so much, and further deterring and depressing those who ARE trying is not helping at all. Because then they will even give up. Give people the lovin they deserve rather than saying "Oh, but it's not good enough cause I say it isn't."
Get involved! Stop hiding out. Stop ignoring people. Stop judging those as a whole who don't meet your approval, and maybe, just maybe, you will see that we have a lot more RPers than people believe. It's called right now working with what we have to make it better. Not to constantly mention the bad. So please stop posting here about all the negative things, and either return to that realm, or, start trying to provide positive and encouraging remarks to those who are doing their part and their best to try helping it. Thank you. /snarl off |
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Edited by Zilona on 01/06/12 22:36 (BST)
I don't fully agree, DMF's Rp is still very one sided, but yes a bit more public. doens't mean it can't use more attmepts...to variation.
As to the bloody ongoing !@#$ with AD and people bashing it or praising it. The bottom line remains, no matter what you look for, AD is a successfull realm, simply due to the fact that it's people, haven't, left. the article is right, it's about maintance, and clearly they've not failed there. Dmf has, since it's people left. Yes, we'll get on our feet, but no, we can't say we're all fine and dandy "in our own way" but we will be, we will be. |
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Edited by Sastri on 01/06/12 23:10 (BST)
I never said it was fine and dandy. I'm just tired of hearing "It's not good enough and this is why". We know why, and we're doing--at least some of us are doing--all we can. And constantly hearing this is not helping those who are doing, because it just deters them from even wanting to do it, when it's clear none of it is changing the mindset of people.
An idea is how about rather than say "it's bad and this is why", make something for others to join in. Ridrick is doing the diversity events. The keel and bumi's restaurant happens weekly, there are RP hubs run by Nurn and a few others, there are guilds and channels that are for an attempt to help RPers find each other, and there are people RPing outside both. If you can't find some, rather than say "it's not here" look, ask around, do your homework and put energy into it. *goes to eat chocolate* |
with all due respect, Cazar, but please stop filling the heads of people with this utter nonsense. This realm is still getting back on its feet and those who -are- roleplaying are doing it publicly as much as they can. We can only do so much, and further deterring and depressing those who ARE trying is not helping at all. Because then they will even give up. Give people the lovin they deserve rather than saying "Oh, but it's not good enough cause I say it isn't." Hardly nonsense because you say it's nonsense is it? It's nice to see people are trying to do better things, but i ain't glossing things over saying they're fine and dandy. I do get involved, for your information, but where do i see you? And don't say things that you do yourself, we all judge people as a whole, so don't hold yourself high and mighty. I am working with what we have, doesn't mean i have to say it's perfect and the best, because well it isn't, and i can say that because you think i say nonsense- opinions work both ways? All i posted was giving tips on how to get the more public and open RP more in the...well open, no need to jump on-top of me with the Darkmoon Inquisition calling me a heretic and all that. I'll be positive where i think it's due, not where -you- think it's due Thank you. Also Zilona makes a good points in her post, particularly yes, we'll get on our feet, but no, we can't say we're all fine and dandy "in our own way" Head in ground doesn't make problem go away. |
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Edited by Sastri on 02/06/12 04:18 (BST)
((disclaimer: It is a massive snarl, from a very angry person. You can call me out on my anger all you want, but I already know I'm angry, and so calling me out on it will probably not do much. :P I'm a lot less angry as I am fed up, which is why I am taking a break, as I know the reasons why I am fed up.))
I'm not sure if Zahhak was being serious on this thread or not, but it has definitely raised a few points regardless. I suppose people can make of it what they will. If it's an honest attempt to give people advice on how to find RP here, then thank you, Zahhak. To be honest, I would not be all that worried with your waving that flag, Cazar, if you weren't so bent on trying to deter people from the server for like a good few months now. Think about that one for a moment. If we're going to get technical on what I have done, then I get to be just as petty. I've seen you ignore people only because they've had a non RP name, even though they were RPing and trying to get into RPing (they were new). I've also seen you ignore people for a list of other simple things. You show up here, from a server you buggered off to, every once and awhile, so you are hardly the source that newbies should be basing the quality and cooperation of this server on, or the people who are acting for this server should be looking at for their advice on how to improve. At least Zahhak has made some good points on where to find RP, not how poorly the situation is and why channels don't work. All this talk of population is great, but empty. We can only work with what we have. Channels -do- work when the server is small, and people are not sure -where- to go for it. Face it, we are not going to be as active or full as some of the other servers and that's something you have got to realize. But we work with what we have, and we're doing good. I am not sticking my head in the sand, no no, don't you even claim that. I am just very tired of people--not me, but people like Riddy and Zilly and others--doing so much for this server and you, and some others, only stating the negative despite this. If you spoke more fondly of this server i might not "jump down your throat". But you have really yet to show me otherwise. You've instead shown me that you are more likely trying to make this server like other servers, and that just isn't going to happen. And you need to realize that. This server is its own unique server. We have a low population which means people will gather up in a community situation in channels or in a guild. But that does not mean that's the only place they "hide". They go outside the guild and RP, but in a situation we have, walking around trying to find RP is difficult, because there just isn't a massive enough base for it, and not everyone is going to be around at the same time to do it. Right now, those who DO RP together have to make up reasons why their noble would be with this mercenary. While it's probably not difficult every once and awhile, but all the time gets repetitive and before you know it the characters are having to be altered just for the sake of "looking good" in public. There have been times when people have just rolled one race and walked around in some event. We had them roll these characters in the hopes they would RP these characters together publicly. We can only encourage it. It would be nice to see them do that, so I agree with you there in terms of attempting to get public RP, but what you don't seem to realize is there are attempts, have been, and are successful times when it happens. As far as coming into a server that can do that every day, it works with the higher populated realms, because they do -have- the population. They can have that going constantly. It is not the job of the people on this realm to set themselves up as props in the city publicly constantly just so new people who happen to log in one day can walk around and have it fed them on a silver platter. If I rolled on another server, I'd need to realize that RP is something I'd have to work for, look for. If I am that interested in wanting to RP and get into a community on a new server, then it's up to me to ask around, and to join channels or guilds or groups to get to know people. Random RP, while a great way to find RP and get to know people, also just so happens to be possible on this particular realm at only certain times of the day. I have seen random RP on his realm, in Silvermoon, Orgrimmar, and even Thunderbluff. I've seen it in Tirisfal Glades, Ratchet, and Eversong. Eastern Plaguelands. Heck, I've even seen it in Hillsbrad. But I don't see it there all the time. Maybe once and awhile. And that's not because people don't want it, but because they are busy elsewhere. With real life, with PVPing or PVEing, or yes, banded up together in an inn or Murder Row or something because they can be. That's not closing themselves off. If you find them and show up they welcome you to join in. It just means they're not walking around going "I am RPer, come play with me". Because there's only so much walking around a city for hours at a time and not finding anything that someone can do before they contact their pals and say "Hey, friends, let's go do something". We have made days where we do walk around. I have told groups to do that, with groups, so that even if they don't find people they at least still get RP while walking around. We can shout and shout and continuously say "we don't have this, so this is going to happen." OR we can make the best with what we have. What we have here are a good amount of events, and helpful people, and options to get together and enjoy the game. We don't have it in massive variety or numbers, strictly because of population. It has nothing to do with lack of quality or people not trying. But going onto the realm forum constantly and saying "this server lacks this and this" is not helping A) the people who are doing things for it, and B) the newcomers who read these forums to determine if they want to try the realm out. There are threads made by Zilona and others who have listed RP spots and events, as well as even guilds to join. There are threads that have been bumped a few times showing RP ideas. The problem with this forum is while others have tried to get people from wowgamer and on here to post their stuff, it's not happening. But that's more because they're pretty much afraid of being flamed to the nether by others who would rather knock down an idea before it's had a chance to spread wing. And it's not up to you, or myself to tell the newcomers that this server is worth their time, and they should know that. It requires them to show up and ask around. It requires them to realize that this is a small populated realm, and if they want to join it and make it that much better and potentially more populated, then that's awesome. The more people who do that means then we might be -able- to have more random RP like you would love to see. But we don't get that if more and more threads saying only the negatives pops up to deter people and scare them completely off. But until then, Cazar, until then we have to work with what we got, as I've said already. And wewantRP and the community guild, as well as people trying to post the positive things here, is the only real way to do that. If there are other ideas then by all means, suggestions are great. Another channel more beneficial to finding RP? Let's have it. Create one now. Another guild that works better than a community guild strictly for finding other RPers and nothing else? Hoorah. Let's see it! But the public RP, while it helps for sure, is by far the most difficult to do on a low populated realm. And it isn't going to get populated so fast for us to rely on this to showcase this realm and the people in it. We are not sticking our heads in the sand. We know the issues. We know the problems. I just can't stress this enough: Rather than mentioning the bad things to people who aren't listening, praise those who are trying, and encourage them. How about that? Also, for your information, I was in Ratchet, last night, even though I'm not sure what this has to do with the server. I'm not the server and have never pretended to be. Actually Gandraya and a great many others are doing more for the server than I am lately, because I am burnt out. Zyretha and a few others have been doing the Keel. But last night, after Kalthoren had to go, -I- was doing the Keel, which is very open to everyone and always has been. And then after that, I was walking around Silvermoon as a guard, looking for RP, but I didn't find any tonight. It didn't bother me, because I know it does exist. It just wasn't there tonight. If I were a newcomer, would that have deterred me? Probably. But if I were a newcomer, I'd probably have to understand that you either catch a server on a good day or a bad day. And you can't go judging it on a few days. Now rather than sully a thread that was only used to try giving people suggestions on how to find RP on this server by saying the suggestions are probably bad ones, give more suggestions than simply stating population problems and public RP being needed above all else. Because these two sadly do go hand in hand. But there is really little we can do about it unless we all band together everyday of every hour to make it so. But while we're on the subject and you're asking me, where were -you-? |
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Sastri, pillar of the community.
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Not to be negative but DMF's RP side is rather small.
It has around the same activity on RP as some Normal servers. Mindset on community has slowly faded from RP a bit. |
Totally misread that as plier of the community.
Not from around here but reading this thread i got a sense of a slight messiah complex going on. Sure this player is no doubt doing some good for the server, but doesnt give him/her a right to act with a holier than art thou attitude and maybe its a wild guess but maybe this player is making other players not want to do anymore to help? I dunno maybe its a new player thing. Not to be negative but DMF's RP side is rather small. DMF has always been small from day one i was directed to this thread by a friend cause i used to play here many moons ago. Community spirit was never high on horde players minds imo especially with certain groups dunno if i glanced at cliques as i was going down this thread but it would be about right its not "community" never has but clique. |
The ignore function is account wide on forum rather than character specific. A smart forum user may avoid trolling a thread he already posted in. Just saying. |
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Hey, Sastri, what a power! You're such an horrible person that hundreds of people would rather pay IRL money and flee elsewhere, than risking to cross your path on the same realm. Tell me your secret, Sas, because I -so- would like that skill in real life! Draskal, whoever you are, please elaborate, or I'll have to think you're -gasp!- a troll. |
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I'm confused about this one. The only place in the entirety of those two posts that I post where I stated that I did anything for this server was at the very last part, and that was in defense to a challenge made by Sarthalos. The rest I have pointed out and highlighted other awesome people on this realm who have done for the community. Not me. Read again, please, before making your judgements and slandering. And you can't in anyway blame me for why people leave this server. There are negative people here, the elitists who want the RP only to their standards. There are those who purposely keep to themselves or stand in silence during events, don't let people in. There are those who would rather complain than lift a finger to make the ratio better. And there are those who would instead of stating any good, only dwell on the bad. There are those who would rather hearth away and leave the rest of the server behind. They were established RPers too. They were told in the past to not hide away. They didn't listen. And then, when the gates closed in, and the friends in their groups vanished, and they had not gotten to know anyone from the server outside their groups, they left as well, and blamed the server for not being there for them, when they, were not there for the server. We have this happening all the time. And yet there are those who do events, and do them well. There are those who have painstakingly every week gone above and beyond to provide an environment for people like the complainers here to enjoy. Bumi strikes me as a main one, to be honest. I have watched her every week run the burger joint in Azshara and I have not attended as many times as I should to support her. And yet regardless of how few or how many show up to fill her tables, she and the workers of the Inconspicuous Inc. guild work as a team to deliver some ace RP every time. Even if it's just to four people. She isn't the only one, however. There are others who do that. The Twinblade Tavern just recently opened in Orgrimmar. Run by Zilona, she welcomes in anyone of any RP style or experience. That is what I would love to see others do. At least Zilona gets it! That in the end RP is more about your characters reacting to things happening, not by judging the lore behind the characters being played or nit picking the way things are RPed. The Broken Keel was not founded by me. It was founded by a great RPer named Shiryou, with me helping, a co "ownership" for anyone who were willing to accept it. When Shiryou left, it was left to me, but I by no means did it alone. Zachery, Esme, Fizzliks, Nideret, Loudaine, and many more just walked in and randomly offered up their awesome RP as staff for the tavern. There's no way it would have lasted otherwise. I don't know where the heck people started calling me a leader, or pillar, or face, but I never wanted that. In fact, I hate that. I just love RP, and I love sharing it, cause for me it's just more fun that way. As ideas are constantly changing and new creative minds are added to the mix, none of us can hope to survive just by sticking to a few people in a group forever. We found that out, didn't we? As the server began to shrink, we found that out. There are only a few RP things I can take any actual credit for, and that's just being there for them and adding a few ideas to the mix. Everyone can do that. I will state that I can't even take credit for anything on my own, as there were plenty of times where even the Keel wasn't run by me. And I loved it that way! I loved it when people like Kalthoren and Logok would step in, and when people took up the slack. I loved it and still love it when I see people opening their arms to a newcomer who has a trial account and can't speak in /s. Calathor did that. It was a beautiful thing. I love it when people fly around advertising events for others, supporting events other than their own. I see that constantly. I love it when we get people who are friends with other people and using that friend influence to drag to some social event seven or eight people. This happens! Sure, it might not happen enough, but the only thing that is stopping that ratio from increasing really depends on whether we want it bad enough. Because there are those who want it, and who can do it. There are those who with a busy real life schedule can't really put their energy into building events, but they attend them. They can't always RP, but they're directing others to people they know that might help RPers find each other. Each little thing we do makes a difference. And when people pick up the slack left by others, then it proves that no one person is needed. That the community can stand on its own. The only thing needed for that to happen, are the right encouragement to know that everyone is just as capable to make a difference as those who did it before them. Bottom line, and whether I sound self righteous or not, so shoot me. I honestly don't believe I am being self righteous or putting myself on a pedestal. I love this server so I want to see it survive. I know many who do, and they do it better than me. Unless we would rather see the server just crash and burn, being positive when things ARE going right, then it is actually more important to bolster the morale, highlight those who are doing things right, and encourage those who aren't doing things to know that there is still hope before they want to do something as well. It's through positive encouragement that we can fix the problems without needing to be negative about it. That is what I am saying. Misread it all you wish. |
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In all honesty I don't believe that to be true, Sastri is in my opinion a very thoughtful and considerate person. I have never once seen her abuse or insult anyone, and if she's snapped at someone who's had issues outside of the game and in real life.. One she most likely didn't know about this and Two Sastri has limits as do we all on how we can sit and watch people complaining. Now, if were going back the main topic at hand, Wheres the RP on the server i agree that Wewantrp is one of your best bets at trying to find it. All you need is to be persistent and generally loud enough to get over the chatter that sometimes takes place. if your a new person on the server state that you are or that you'd like to find some RP or if people could help you in finding some. I myself have spent a lot less time RP'ing of late, not because of the server but because i tend to be spending more time doing other things. there is RP here if only you take a look, it might not be in your face straight away like on other more populated realms but it -is- here. in the middle of the day sure SMC is empty and most of the RP'ers are offline due to our smaller size the RP tends to happen in the evenings when people return from work, college or school. As to people not putting much effort into assisting in broadening and making RP more available I can safely say i'm one of the people who currently does not do that. and i sincerely apolagise to the RP'ers and newbies out there on DMF. |
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Edited by Gandraya on 02/07/12 16:22 (BST)
Hardly anyone hates Sastri except (bizzarely) for you and a few other misguided individuals who take constructive and helpful language as brutal and offensive.
Sastri is one of the nicest people I've ever met and I'm glad to have found someone who has been able to push me into doing my part for the community. Sas does not make people cry and DEFINETLY doesn't abuse others. What you're reading is the passionate (and admitaddly frustrated) words of someone who is desperately trying to help a group of people who continuously push it away for frankly idiotic reasons. In defence of the actual server, I agree, it's not as bad as people think. Zilona has hosted the Twinblade Tavern fairly consistantly over the last few weeks and its always got quite an impressive and fairly interactive turnout. Groups of friends will always exist and you can call them cliques if you want, but groups of friends interact with other groups of friends and then what do you have? Two cliques? Or just a group of people rping. Cliques don't have to be privatised. I for one have been hosting public events for everyone for a long time. I also try to interact with people I'm not familiar with and bring them closer to the community... and I know many other people do the same. |
