Topic Legendaries
Alonsox
Outland
Alonsox
85 Troll Druid
6325
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Tankjr
Saurfang
Tankjr
85 Undead Rogue
10525
08/06/2012 20:21Posted by Mírion
Not just rogues. But I understand why you'd want to bash on rogues, seeing as one just killed you.


What does that have to do with anything?

Rogues are pathetic in full PvP gear, PvE gear doesn't make Rogues OP it's the scaling off gear and design of the class. Don't come in here and act like PvE gear makes Rogue OP they're are OP without it aswell.

Ohwell, I saw you just got your first 2200 this season so I assume you think you just became alot more skilled then last season. Go on and defend Rogues, mayeb you and Electrica can become friends, he said the same as you earlier this season whenever I mentioned Rogues.


Calm down angry Paladin. I never mentioned anything about skill or me being good. But I love how you jump to those conclusions anyway. I also like how any discussion instantly turns into a rating thing with you, and checking up on ratings etc. Keep it up.

Back on topic, I still don't find rogues too strong, unless they're rockin' the PvE items.
Tøine
Vek'nilash
Tøine
85 Human Hunter
4700
Edited by Tøine on 08/06/12 20:50 (BST)
06/06/2012 22:49Posted by Shãmanam
Why are they still in PvP?


Just to piss you (and me) off :)

About the rogues, I dont know why like EVERYBODY is qqing about them. When they get out of stealth they take ALOOOT of damage so there is actually no reason to ask for a rogue nerf.

BUT!!! that's just my opinion
Alonsox
Outland
Alonsox
85 Troll Druid
6325
08/06/2012 20:42Posted by Tankjr
Back on topic, I still don't find rogues too strong, unless they're rockin' the PvE items.


Of course you don't, you play one.
Tankjr
Saurfang
Tankjr
85 Undead Rogue
10525
Edited by Tankjr on 08/06/12 21:02 (BST)
Back on topic, I still don't find rogues too strong, unless they're rockin' the PvE items.


Of course you don't, you play one.


I also play a Paladin, a Hunter, a Mage and a Warrior. Still do not find them too strong. I'm sorry if you can't handle a Rogue with decent gear 1o1, be it PvP or PvE, but that does not make them too strong.

Has nothing to do with the fact that I am posting on mine.
Alonsox
Outland
Alonsox
85 Troll Druid
6325
I play a Druid, Rogue, Mage, Warlock and Priest. Rogues are arguably the best 1v1 class in the game, but I still think I have a fair chance 1v1 against a lot of the Rogues in BGs on all of my classes. But unfortunately, 1v1 isn't what matters and Rogues in 3v3 have too much damage considering the amount of the control they offer.

I'm sorry if you disagree with that, but unfortunately it's the way it is and 99% of the PvP community (even the top rogues) agree on that, so it's not really up for debate.
Eléctrica
Stormscale
Eléctrica
85 Blood Elf Rogue
7575
08/06/2012 21:00Posted by Tankjr
I'm sorry if you can't handle a Rogue with decent gear 1o1, be it PvP or PvE, but that does not make them too strong.


That is true.

But the fact is that we are too strong. And that has nothing to do with 1v1 at all.
Tankjr
Saurfang
Tankjr
85 Undead Rogue
10525
08/06/2012 21:09Posted by Eléctrica
I'm sorry if you can't handle a Rogue with decent gear 1o1, be it PvP or PvE, but that does not make them too strong.


That is true.

But the fact is that we are too strong. And that has nothing to do with 1v1 at all.


Not really. We're just fine. I have no problems with them at all anyway. Now I should just wait for a rating insult from a certain person, right?

I play a Druid, Rogue, Mage, Warlock and Priest. Rogues are arguably the best 1v1 class in the game, but I still think I have a fair chance 1v1 against a lot of the Rogues in BGs on all of my classes. But unfortunately, 1v1 isn't what matters and Rogues in 3v3 have too much damage considering the amount of the control they offer.

I'm sorry if you disagree with that, but unfortunately it's the way it is and 99% of the PvP community (even the top rogues) agree on that, so it's not really up for debate.


Many people say so, so it must be true. Doesn't work that way for me. I find rogues alright, maybe they could tone down Recup a little bit, but other than that, I don't find them too strong at all, unless I spot them with PvE gear, those tend to shred through everything.
Eléctrica
Stormscale
Eléctrica
85 Blood Elf Rogue
7575
Edited by Eléctrica on 08/06/12 21:16 (BST)
08/06/2012 21:13Posted by Tankjr
Not really. We're just fine.


You're entitled to your opinion. But i and nearly all of the people around the pvp community, save a very marginal amount, agree that Rogue's are way too strong right now.

And it's not the CC as much as it is the Damage. The damage is just totally ridiculous. Even my alt in Ruthless gear does enough damage to get t2 right off the bat.
Amíza
Stormscale
Amíza
90 Orc Shaman
10345
Rogues are crap why take a rogue when you can take a Warrior? BUFF ROGUES!!!!!!
Flambe
Aggra (Português)
Flambe
85 Human Mage
1620
08/06/2012 21:13Posted by Tankjr
I have no problems with them at all anyway.

Because they're bad, trust me. I have no problems with most rogues either, but good ones are a different story. In an RBG one of our team mates got killed by a rogue in a cheap shot from the opener...
Sharein
Earthen Ring
Sharein
85 Human Rogue
5085
I play a Druid, Rogue, Mage, Warlock and Priest. Rogues are arguably the best 1v1 class in the game, but I still think I have a fair chance 1v1 against a lot of the Rogues in BGs on all of my classes. But unfortunately, 1v1 isn't what matters and Rogues in 3v3 have too much damage considering the amount of the control they offer.

I'm sorry if you disagree with that, but unfortunately it's the way it is and 99% of the PvP community (even the top rogues) agree on that, so it's not really up for debate.


Rogues rely mostly on cooldowns. A rogue without cooldowns is a dead rogue.

And it's not the CC as much as it is the Damage. The damage is just totally ridiculous. Even my alt in Ruthless gear does enough damage to get t2 right off the bat.


Goes for most classes, ret, feral, frost mage, warlocks, shadow priests, hunters, all of these are doing ridiculous damage at the moment. Similar or better than rogues.
Flambe
Aggra (Português)
Flambe
85 Human Mage
1620
09/06/2012 01:26Posted by Sharein
Goes for most classes, ret, feral, frost mage, warlocks, shadow priests, hunters, all of these are doing ridiculous damage at the moment. Similar or better than rogues.

The problem is rogue damage is hard to avoid due to undispellable CCs, cloak and bomb. But yes, rogues aren't the only ones with retarded damage.
Sharein
Earthen Ring
Sharein
85 Human Rogue
5085
09/06/2012 01:29Posted by Flambe
Goes for most classes, ret, feral, frost mage, warlocks, shadow priests, hunters, all of these are doing ridiculous damage at the moment. Similar or better than rogues.

The problem is rogue damage is hard to avoid due to undispellable CCs, cloak and bomb. But yes, rogues aren't the only ones with retarded damage.


Especially ret and feral are off the bat at the moment, when lucky they kill you in less than four seconds.
Flambe
Aggra (Português)
Flambe
85 Human Mage
1620
09/06/2012 01:32Posted by Sharein

The problem is rogue damage is hard to avoid due to undispellable CCs, cloak and bomb. But yes, rogues aren't the only ones with retarded damage.


Especially ret and feral are off the bat at the moment, when lucky they kill you in less than four seconds.

Yes, but like I said, you can stop them more easily than a rogue. It doesn't mean they're fine either though, I'm just explaining why rogue burst is considered a bigger problem.
Recycle
Outland
Recycle
85 Undead Rogue
6585
08/06/2012 20:42Posted by Tankjr
Back on topic, I still don't find rogues too strong, unless they're rockin' the PvE items.
wait what

we're way too strong even without pve gear :D
Doomix
Anachronos
Doomix
85 Troll Rogue
1610
op survivability
many ccs
utility
op dmg
cd reseter for all previously mentioned..

nerf 1 u have ur fix
Egg
Auchindoun
Egg
85 Troll Druid
5185
08/06/2012 20:21Posted by Mírion
Rogues are pathetic in full PvP gear, PvE gear doesn't make Rogues OP it's the scaling off gear and design of the class. Don't come in here and act like PvE gear makes Rogue OP they're are OP without it aswell.


Bang on.
Mírion
Outland
Mírion
85 Blood Elf Paladin
12865
op survivability
many ccs
utility
op dmg
cd reseter for all previously mentioned..

nerf 1 u have ur fix


No there's sevral things that need to be tuned down quite abit in order to balance rogues.

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