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hey guys , ive just ran my first cata heroic (happened to be the END TIME) and i was full of fail or so i was informed.
ive spent a while running normal dungs for valor points and have no problems what so ever and thought my gear was good enough for heroics , how ever after the aformentioned fail im feeling i might not have what it takes.
do i need to re-stat , re-gear , did i just get a poor group or was it a bad dung to start on?
any input would be appreciated even if it is that the group was right and i am crap
cheers guys

I've healed tanks with a fraction of your base HP in HoT heroics. Gear won't be the issue here. You know it's not perfect, but it's more than sufficient for the easy heroics.

Buy the Pyrium helm and the cheapest Vicious jewelry and cloak and queue for LFR as DPS if you're insecure about your gear. Just ride the coattails of the tryhards.

Health is irrelevent for heroics, avoidance does the job - tried and tested when I began tanking them on my DK at like 125k hp or whatever dismal number it was.

Problem is your gear is a mess and your avoidance is hideously low. You picked the DPS boots for valor points (why did you think crit and haste were tanking ones when there are others with dodge/parry?) and then spent a shedload epic gemming them.

Very strange gemming (+3 resist and +10 stat gems?), strange enchants, and mastery is your best stat by a mile as everywhere will tell you and you've reforged out of it and seem to have avoided it at all costs.

Is it entirely your fault? No, definitely not. However, you're making it hard for yourself and others. Your problem is ENTIRELY stat based. You could have at least 55% block in that gear and then take far less damage just by sacrificing some +resist gems which are doing nothing anyway, and by reforging correctly.

Go onto mmo-champion and go onto the warrior forums, read the prot guide and do what it says with regards to stats and you'll be a better tank within 20minutes.

Players just tend to throw abuse when things go wrong. They looked for a target and picked you. It is quite likely given that this was your first time in there that you were not aware of mechanics or generally looked lost. Groups are often not that forgiving of this and they will look deeper into you and your character.

It is very very unlikely that it was all your fault. Heroic 5man's are not punishing enough to demand perfection in your gear. Your shortfalls could have been compensated for by decent play by the group or yourself. The fact that they were unable to carry you in that gear frankly means they weren't that good either.

Your gemming and stat priorities are a complete mess. Some of your most expensive items were your least effective purchases. You don't seem to know the fundamentals of gearing a protection warrior. I would suggest you go and find out.

http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/2505102307

Go tank another heroic. Good luck!

thanks for input , i will admit i bought the boots of AH just for stam increase , ill now go look at reforging for mastery and get better gems ( i was informed that dodge n parry were better and obviously shouldnt have listened)
thanks all but please keep posting

thanks for input , i will admit i bought the boots of AH just for stam increase , ill now go look at reforging for mastery and get better gems ( i was informed that dodge n parry were better and obviously shouldnt have listened)
thanks all but please keep posting

Block increases at a flat rate and will remain to as mastery does not suffer diminishing returns. It also increases at a faster rate than dodge and parry.

The diminishing returns curves for dodge and parry look like a graph of ln (x) except they start at 5% for base on the x axis and don't dip below, so just shift it up and to the right a bit.

Fewer points of mastery will push your total mitigation higher than a larger amount of dodge/parry, meaning you take fewer full hits which makes damage smoother, and then as a warrior you have critical block so sometimes even nicer. Mastery increases both block and critical block so it's a double win for you.

Honestly stick with mmochampion guides and talk to some people on there and you'll be fine as they attract such a huge audience.

ok so this is the new me
re gemmed , re forged and ill get on the enchants next . thanks for everything guys
the mmochampion guides are great and icant believe i got this far without them
thankyou all

No problem - stick with it, don't give up and keep practicing and you'll be fine. That's the only way anyone gets better at anything.

18/06/2012 21:47Posted by Merinicus

No problem - stick with it, don't give up and keep practicing and you'll be fine. That's the only way anyone gets better at anything.

This, there are too many people that forget that not everyone was born playing WoW, and much like bullies, were probably really bad and got picked on levelling too.

As mentioned, go avoidance all the way. For Warriors (and others but Warrior is my main) mastery is bad !@#.

Noxxic aslo have some great guides to get you started if you want to reset, also have a look at askmrrobot or similar to work out if you can squeeze a better reforge out of your gear.

Ultimately don't give up. Warrior tanking is the nuts.

19/06/2012 13:59Posted by Redrael

As mentioned, go avoidance all the way. For Warriors (and others but Warrior is my main) mastery is bad !@#.

As mentioned...? As has been mentioned, Mastery > Avoidance for prot by a mile until higher mitigation levels, which he isn't even close to.

Also, a few gems that could use switching, but considering it's gear you replace soon enough, no bother doing it. As for future VP, buy the trinket first. It's one of the best items you can get hold off, so getting it is a priority. Replace the stamina trinket with it. Following that, buy the neck, ring and belt, in the order of whatever is the biggest upgrade.

19/06/2012 13:59Posted by Redrael

Noxxic aslo have some great guides

They have awful guides that are not detailed enough nor do they always give the correct information, or even the optimal information for several specs. That website is a joke.

19/06/2012 16:41Posted by Pugh

Noxxic aslo have some great guides

They have awful guides that are not detailed enough nor do they always give the correct information, or even the optimal information for several specs. That website is a joke.

This.

It's why I advocate mmochampion because whilst "the best" don't WRITE the guides they keep an eye on those threads and others and answer questions - due to the huge traffic it gets discussing the threads and ideas and some people do tests and have others process data, you get results just due to sheer number of monkeys working the grindstone.

The warrior forums on there probably have the best community on the whole site, the mods don't only moderate but Mest and to a lesser extent Aurora get involved in the threads, with Mammoth (don't know if he still does or name change, not seen him in a while) providing lots of numbers to crunch.

When I was healer with my shaman, I hade a tank that hade 122k health, but he almost did not lose any health, cus he did enchant, gem and reforge all his gear into that tanks really needs, alot of parry/dodge/block.
So when I test the first HC dungeon as my druid tank, I hade collect blue gear and enchant, gem and reforge everything into agility and dodge, which druid tank needs most to be a good tank and I could tank the hc without any problem, but a good healer is always a + if you are gonna try tanking an HC with mostly blue gear.

Gotta say that it isn't hard to heal a tank with low hp xD In my eyes they mostly got what it takes to tank and i think you got what it takes i think the healer is a noob and blamed you it have happend me to when i have tanked they just blame tank x)

When I was healer with my shaman, I hade a tank that hade 122k health, but he almost did not lose any health, cus he did enchant, gem and reforge all his gear into that tanks really needs, alot of parry/dodge/block.
So when I test the first HC dungeon as my druid tank, I hade collect blue gear and enchant, gem and reforge everything into agility and dodge, which druid tank needs most to be a good tank and I could tank the hc without any problem, but a good healer is always a + if you are gonna try tanking an HC with mostly blue gear.

That's the difference between a tank and a random guy. A guy with 130k HP can be very good tank, when he goes on correct stats 1st and knows what spell means what. Instead people judging anyones HP should just see them on action :)

Stats and avoidance have little to do with strategy.
Some mobs in End Time require that you use at least some strategy or CC to handle them, since combined abilities can pretty much one shot you.
The last bit of trash before Murozond is a good example of that. The Infinite Warden of them does a Void Strike which deals 125% weapon damage but ignoring all armor.
The Infinite Suppressor does an Arcane Wave which deals 44400 - 51600 Arcane damage. Since there are two of each in this pack, you can have two warden void striking you, as well as two suppressors nuking your with arcane wave. That's about 160K health gone in a short time.
Damage that can only be contained with CC.

I hope this gave you some additional insight. It's not always stats and health that do the trick for you. Use Recount to show what kind of damage you took in a fight where you suddenly got close to dying or actually died.

Thats not entirely correct, you can spell reflect the arcane waves, or interrupt or stun them to stop their casts. If you don't have cc available its good idea to hit one of the wardens with concussion blow right at the start and hit spell reflect up, this means that both of them wont be using the armor ignoring strike at same time, and that at least one of the arcane waves, usually both, get bounced back to the mobs, which will make sure you don't take too big spike damage and healer can keep up.

Stats and avoidance have little to do with strategy.
Some mobs in End Time require that you use at least some strategy or CC to handle them, since combined abilities can pretty much one shot you.

My strategy has always been 0 CC, but a lot of defensive abilities. Using CC is one of my pet peeves since I played ages hybrid, who got shafted for not having any.

And on those two particular mobs regardless of tank class I use (druid, dk, paladin), I am using either silence or interrupt or best is my paladins (both blood elves), who interrupt casts with torrent, shield, and then folloed by stun, interrupt and then shield again.

However it is one of the few spots, where I do not break CC, if dps applies one on their own initiative.

As a healer I've noticed many tanks are afraid to use cool downs actively. Be it defensive or offensive and then the HP drops quick evenw ith decent gear. And that only confirms what my whole point was.

Tanking, as many things in this game, is more about understanding fights and own class rather than getting that 1 iLevel and 10 stamina.

I have done only 2 heroics atm, but I did fine. I have pocket healer (resto shaman) who also just dinged, and met some terrible DPS who ninja pulled, did extremly high 6k dps etc. In both Heroics I was first in dps on every boss/trash pack. Even after all this, it was all so easy I felt I am in leveling normal dungeon. My gear is crap. Some of items arent even tanking ones. Its not about gear. Its about YOU.