Topic Which class has in your opinion the highest skill cap?
Azriyel
Outland
Azriyel
90 Night Elf Death Knight
14010
19/07/2012 08:46Posted by Spamz
Still haven't gotten into peace with your mage yet Az? :)


My mage does hurt herself even, when she casts conjure mana cake. True story. And when she wands she holds it from the wrong end. not to mention last time she did /cast fireball, she did attempt instead to polymorph whole Deathwing during spine encounter.

Yes, she is a night elf too.
Stormráge
Burning Legion
Stormráge
90 Human Warrior
6625
Go to world of logs and compare rank 1 to rank 200 on Ultraxion 25 HC.

The class with the largest gap would "technically" be the class with the highest skill cap in PvE. (Once you remove cheesed logs stacking tricks on somebody etc.)

Arms Warriors OFC


You mean it's the class that is most dependent to gurthalak proc rate ? Skillcap right there!


I do not agree with you, I've been using Pit Lord's Destroyer and had 388 ilvl before I got this Herioc weapon.
and back then i could even outdps a combat rogue and a fire mage with such ease.

What about Blood dk? I bet if Blizz put a 10 sec cd on Deathstrike, you'd be raped by real melee dps
Raiju
Nagrand
Raiju
1 Draenei Shaman
0


You mean it's the class that is most dependent to gurthalak proc rate ? Skillcap right there!


I do not agree with you, I've been using Pit Lord's Destroyer and had 388 ilvl before I got this Herioc weapon.
and back then i could even outdps a combat rogue and a fire mage with such ease.

What about Blood dk? I bet if Blizz put a 10 sec cd on Deathstrike, you'd be raped by real melee dps


actually you'd be raped by the bosses with little effect on your max-dps play which relies on DS only for death runes for more heart strikes (and to not take too much damage while maxing dps)
Decisions
Ulduar
Decisions
88 Tauren Druid
12215
21/06/2012 16:17Posted by Zinthra
I would say Warlock in PvE, although I only know Destruction and Demonology rotation, so can't speak about Affliction, and perhaps Feral Druid in a second place.


If feral pve dps is the second hardest rotation in the game, I'd love to know what the !@#$ all you other class/spec combos have to do ... :P
Tromtrom
Bronzebeard
Tromtrom
85 Tauren Death Knight
8200
warlocks
Mortanius
Shattered Hand
Mortanius
90 Night Elf Death Knight
7215
Edited by Mortanius on 08/08/12 16:29 (BST)
Warlock.

Just because I have all classes and tried most of the specs. Getting high DPS with warlock is hardest. Also gear has huge effect on Warlock damage ...

More complex rotation and harder to keep all the dots up on target (Having Spriest dots up is easy, doing same thing with Warlock is lot harder).
Lightning
The Sha'tar
Lightning
90 Blood Elf Warlock
7840
PLayed 7 classes at 85 and raided. Id still have to say warlock.

Shadowbolt
Incinerate
Soulfire
CoD
Corruption
Imolation
Doomguard
Metamorph
Double leap
Pet switching
4 set piece instant soulfire every minute..

Tracking procs, lining up cooldowns and knowing when to use meta

Think that has the highest skillcap. I notice a major difference in performence between playing drunk (less skilled) and sober :)

The difference on other classes is less high.

(I call this the drunk test, when i can perform optimal when drunk, i mastered my class :))
Nerubisath
Drek'Thar
Nerubisath
90 Worgen Priest
10240
I'd say warlocks as well, there is quite a big gap btw good and bad warlocks but only for that demono spec.
I've noticed quite a big difference btw spriests as well (not just bc i'm a spriest, don't get me wrong hehe :p). Btw those who do not refresh dots when they do have those big procs (weapons/ trinkets .....), those who do not know that mind sear is directly affected by the orbs' system etc, those again who do not know when it is best to cast the shadowfiend, those who don't know how to use this 4T13 rotation and get confused so that it totally messes up with their '"normal rotation". Again this response might just be due to the fact that i'm totally pissed off by some spriests i've seen in raids :( i just want to punch them in the face :p

But i could say as well that it was way easier to find informations (even though complex theorycrafting on shadowpriest.com or howtopriest.com) about spriests / locks than for example elemental shams. Does that mean that mastering elemental sham is easier that some other classes. Nevertheless i would not say that spriests are the most difficult to handle but certainly pretty hard to really outdps anyone :p
Azriyel
Outland
Azriyel
90 Night Elf Death Knight
14010
I'd say warlocks as well, there is quite a big gap btw good and bad warlocks but only for that demono spec.
I've noticed quite a big difference btw spriests as well (not just bc i'm a spriest, don't get me wrong hehe :p). Btw those who do not refresh dots when they do have those big procs (weapons/ trinkets .....), those who do not know that mind sear is directly affected by the orbs' system etc, those again who do not know when it is best to cast the shadowfiend, those who don't know how to use this 4T13 rotation and get confused so that it totally messes up with their '"normal rotation". Again this response might just be due to the fact that i'm totally pissed off by some spriests i've seen in raids :( i just want to punch them in the face :p


But isn't this with any class - that every spec of each class has those perks. I mean how many hunters do know that there are ways to lure and force in LnL procs not just random black arrow ?Or do hunters even know how and what boosts their shots ? Or I tell you there are still majority DK tanks who do not know how actually death strike, self healing and blood shielding works. Or there are moonkins, who do not know that mushrooms are actually "solar" spell and there's something in that last moment tick refresh before going from solar to lunar and so on.

Every class is easy and not really demanding higher skill. Just a skilled player will figure out the class perks and puts them on good use.
Huzzaa
Outland
Huzzaa
85 Draenei Hunter
12770
I'd say warlocks as well, there is quite a big gap btw good and bad warlocks but only for that demono spec.
I've noticed quite a big difference btw spriests as well (not just bc i'm a spriest, don't get me wrong hehe :p). Btw those who do not refresh dots when they do have those big procs (weapons/ trinkets .....), those who do not know that mind sear is directly affected by the orbs' system etc, those again who do not know when it is best to cast the shadowfiend, those who don't know how to use this 4T13 rotation and get confused so that it totally messes up with their '"normal rotation". Again this response might just be due to the fact that i'm totally pissed off by some spriests i've seen in raids :( i just want to punch them in the face :p


But isn't this with any class - that every spec of each class has those perks. I mean how many hunters do know that there are ways to lure and force in LnL procs not just random black arrow ?Or do hunters even know how and what boosts their shots ? Or I tell you there are still majority DK tanks who do not know how actually death strike, self healing and blood shielding works. Or there are moonkins, who do not know that mushrooms are actually "solar" spell and there's something in that last moment tick refresh before going from solar to lunar and so on.

Every class is easy and not really demanding higher skill. Just a skilled player will figure out the class perks and puts them on good use.


Yeah, I recently figured that Explo trap procs LnL better even in a single target situation than black arrow :P but ofc the dmg loss/gain is debatable
Nerubisath
Drek'Thar
Nerubisath
90 Worgen Priest
10240
You're totally right Az :) And that's why i wrote 'it might just be bc i'm pissed off by those !@#$ty spriests :p" so i was not really telling it did not occur in other classes but since spriest is my favourite one it really pisses me off when someone does not treat this wonderful spec with respect lol.
But yeah i assume it is true for a bunch of other classes, those little tricks that, if you dont know them, make you loose A lot of dps (but for certain classes, knowing those little tricks sometimes don't matter as much)
Motorgoat
Shattered Hand
Motorgoat
90 Orc Warlock
12415
Yeah I agree with Azriyel :) All classes have it's own finesses that not everyone is aware of. Alright the basics as demonology lock is not to hard. Sure abit more buttons to push than most classes :P But the trick is to make things simple for myself with addons and macros. Squish down buttons and know your CD's, ICD's and what trinkets and such does and keep track of it with power auras or forte excorcist. Since you want all the good stuff to happen at meta and snapshot mastery etc. Also what pisses me off is that many complain that hunter and locks are !@#$. But what do I see commonly in pugs and LFR? Players that does nothing with their pets except have it on assisst or defensive... so the pet runs around like a spastic between target instead of maxxing dps by minimal movement. And to see locks taking advantage of multi-dotting is also a rare sight :(

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