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First off @ the people saying I'm saying mages are fine, I'm not, I clearly said they are op in certain areas, but it's not the damage. Mages need the damage to be viable because they get trained 24/7 in arenas.

Move impact further down in the fire tree and remove blanket silences from the game ( from warlocks too ). Boom, mages are fine.

28/06/2012 20:04Posted by Deathside

enhancment shaman maybe?

You're joking right? I have an enhancement shaman and the damage is insane, it's something else that's making the spec semi-viable.

28/06/2012 20:44Posted by Mekkers

Frost needs to be nerfed, and they havent gone far enough, not my fault either.

Move impact further down in the fire tree and remove blanket silences from the game ( from warlocks too ). Boom, mages are fine.

28/06/2012 20:44Posted by Mekkers

not arenas, which i dont consider true pvp anyway.

Acctualy having to think in a 3v3 match is not pvp, but destroying some walls and tanks is?? K m8.

You're just saying that to make yourself feel better about your arena rating.

29/06/2012 01:48Posted by Nuriniel

I know what you mean, you need always a pocket healer to have a chance winning against 1v1 with a frost mage. That's really nice design.

Anyone except ret palas, warriors and ferals can beat mages. Hunters, shaman and some others absolutely destroy mages.

29/06/2012 01:48Posted by Nuriniel

Ever tried another class? Maybe you should try shaman dd, destro/demo locks, spriests or any other caster that is not a frost mage and what dispel means to their damage/cc.

All mages' defensive and offensive cooldowns can be dispelled. The only ones who suffer from this too are ret paladins.

29/06/2012 01:48Posted by Nuriniel

Your class is what dk/ret was in S5 - only stronger. (same as rogues btw)

Just no, this is pure bull!@#$.

29/06/2012 01:48Posted by Nuriniel

I still don't understand why a class which always had awesome cc and damage needed things like rof, invisibility, shatter burst and stuns.

RoF is stupid, we need the rest. Damage outside shatter is stupidly low, I have no idea what you're talking about.

Frost Mages are completely fine, they get destroyed by DKs/Rogues/Hunters/Ele/Enhance, Rest apart from Warrior and Ret have a fair chance on them in 1v1.

The only things that are OTT about them is impact and blanket CS, but all ranged instant CC is retarded and this extends to many more classes then mage.

Their damage is completely justifiable, they have low survivability and high utility, they need to stack PvE gear to even do real damage leaving them with typically 3-4k resilience and have 0 passive selfhealing and a pathetic barrier which absorbs almost nothing which means any melee with uptime on them absolutely demolish them.

inb4 people try to say I have a mage, I've never played a frost mage past 70 and I deleted that due to how boring it was

28/06/2012 06:21Posted by Cássie

My post is about burst damage from mages, when I have 4590 ress, nothing else. So comments on LTP or changing my spec to blood and pew pew etc, are abit worthless. I was just suprised about it.

And nothing will change in mop, GC has said classes like mages and rogues cant rly be nerfed as if they do, its a huge outcry on the forums etc, classes like locks, maybe 1-2 ppl will complain.

From what ive seen of mop, mage and rogue looks like being most op again, so i guess if you do purchase mop it will be another 2 years of them being op.

I for one have had enough of the mage rogue dominance, theres no way in hell ill be getting mop, unless something drastic is done via mages and rogues.

Lol, are you kidding? Rogues are absolutely terrible in the beta.

Ah okay, BGs aren't real PvP? You're in the wrong forum, then. :)

And fear not, your F mage will continue to require no skill and still do decently well (you missed that part of the sentence -- surely an oversight!).

I think this is hilarious, coming from a rogue.

Deep Freeze,Blanket Silence,Polymorph,Blink out of almost anything,Shields (even tho they are weaker these days) Possibility to Regenerate Health and Mana after a fight without using Flasks/Pots,Incredible CC.

The list goes on and i probably left something out

And people claim they are weak ... *pfff*

Tell you what,in Battlegrounds they can totally shatter anything,especially if ganged up with more mages,and Firemages which seems to be the latest have insane burst and stuns,which annoyes the F out of me,and before people start to bash my Discpriest,i just recently dinged and started to gear,this is not my main pvp character.

in Arena it might be a totally different thing,i dont know,never played arena on any rating whatsoever,but i can tell you in Battlegrounds they are OP together with Rogues and DK's and most recently Hunters.

Every class will be OP if they are left alone and no one is doing anything to them,if you dont train that healer or mage or whatever class it may be,you will be destroyed on your own... except maybe healers if they are half decent geared.

The most annoying thing in BG's are that people seem to forget the utility that each and own class have,like interrupts,fears,dispells,stuns etc. Start using them or get owned... period.

Deep Freeze,Blanket Silence,Polymorph,Blink out of almost anything,Shields (even tho they are weaker these days) Possibility to Regenerate Health and Mana after a fight without using Flasks/Pots,Incredible CC.

The list goes on and i probably left something out

And people claim they are weak ... *pfff*

Are you actually reading the thread? People don't say they are weak, they say they are fine.

You have eyes for a reason :<

First off @ the people saying I'm saying mages are fine, I'm not, I clearly said they are op in certain areas, but it's not the damage. Mages need the damage to be viable because they get trained 24/7 in arenas.

Move impact further down in the fire tree and remove blanket silences from the game ( from warlocks too ). Boom, mages are fine.

Frost needs to be nerfed, and they havent gone far enough, not my fault either.

Move impact further down in the fire tree and remove blanket silences from the game ( from warlocks too ). Boom, mages are fine.

Agree completely. Blanket silences are there for those who dont know how to properly interupt casts and should be removed from all classes.

28/06/2012 20:44Posted by Mekkers

not arenas, which i dont consider true pvp anyway.

Acctualy having to think in a 3v3 match is not pvp, but destroying some walls and tanks is?? K m8.

You're just saying that to make yourself feel better about your arena rating.

IoC, AV and SotA is NOT pvp and you`ll never hear me say it is. Pillar dodging healers however is pvp? Interesting.

Without going in to too much detail I stopped playing arenas after S3, having reached ratings I wanted then (as Destro not that lame !@# sl/sl crap). It became comp + gear before pvp and which ever class was fotm rather than pvp. If you picked the wrong class you were screwed.

I am posting on an alt for the same reason you probably are, so that we can talk about this like adults and not fall in to the "LOL your rating sux L2P" usualness that these threads bring along.

29/06/2012 01:48Posted by Nuriniel

Ever tried another class? Maybe you should try shaman dd, destro/demo locks, spriests or any other caster that is not a frost mage and what dispel means to their damage/cc.

All mages' defensive and offensive cooldowns can be dispelled. The only ones who suffer from this too are ret paladins.

Unfortunately dispels on mages are a pain due to how many debuffs they put down so fast its very difficult as a dispeller to get off everything fast enough to make a difference.

Seriously, play a destro lock. One dispel (immolate) and they do zero damage, gain zero damage/cast speed buffs which effects the entire tree. Theres no one mage ability which when dispelled completely destroys ALL their damage.

29/06/2012 01:48Posted by Nuriniel

I still don't understand why a class which always had awesome cc and damage needed things like rof, invisibility, shatter burst and stuns.

RoF is stupid, we need the rest. Damage outside shatter is stupidly low, I have no idea what you're talking about.

I do agree that mages really should retain all the cc they have because i do consider them to be very squishy IF caught. However teaming that up with the quite good damage they do is a touch op.

Just look at shadow priests and warlocks. Mediocre damage yet outside of teleport/dispersion not real means of escape. Portal requires pre-planning and dispersion still isnt really an escape, its merely a delay to the inevtiable.

I can see that in general the consensus is that the large amounts of cc combined with the decent damage is the issue and always has been. However i just cant see what can be done about it, or if anything ever will. This thread is largely just a whine like most of the others about frost.

And dont even start talking about rogues and their cc/damage abilities.

First off @ the people saying I'm saying mages are fine, I'm not, I clearly said they are op in certain areas, but it's not the damage. Mages need the damage to be viable because they get trained 24/7 in arenas.

Move impact further down in the fire tree and remove blanket silences from the game ( from warlocks too ). Boom, mages are fine.

enhancment shaman maybe?

You're joking right? I have an enhancement shaman and the damage is insane, it's something else that's making the spec semi-viable.

Frost needs to be nerfed, and they havent gone far enough, not my fault either.

Move impact further down in the fire tree and remove blanket silences from the game ( from warlocks too ). Boom, mages are fine.

not arenas, which i dont consider true pvp anyway.

Acctualy having to think in a 3v3 match is not pvp, but destroying some walls and tanks is?? K m8.

You're just saying that to make yourself feel better about your arena rating.

I know what you mean, you need always a pocket healer to have a chance winning against 1v1 with a frost mage. That's really nice design.

Anyone except ret palas, warriors and ferals can beat mages. Hunters, shaman and some others absolutely destroy mages.

Ever tried another class? Maybe you should try shaman dd, destro/demo locks, spriests or any other caster that is not a frost mage and what dispel means to their damage/cc.

All mages' defensive and offensive cooldowns can be dispelled. The only ones who suffer from this too are ret paladins.

Your class is what dk/ret was in S5 - only stronger. (same as rogues btw)

Just no, this is pure bull!@#$.

I still don't understand why a class which always had awesome cc and damage needed things like rof, invisibility, shatter burst and stuns.

RoF is stupid, we need the rest. Damage outside shatter is stupidly low, I have no idea what you're talking about.

So your main is a Frost Mage eh?

My lavaburst isn't instant and doesn't hit for that :<

It can be instant, and it has a 100% crit with flame shock, and it deals a !@#$load of damage.

lol

what i am aware, that shouldnt be able to do, and you are a DK with the strongest anitmagic ingame.

29/06/2012 10:52Posted by Zorz

I think this is hilarious, coming from a rogue.

What we discuss here doesn't apply to a level 14. :) Post on your Frost Mage. :)

(See how pointless such an approach is?)

The damage would be fine if it wasn't coupled with such a high amount of control.

Also lol @ rogues playing the most broken class in game whinning about random stuff

Just merge all the classes together, into one uber class and everyone will have fair chances.

Without going in to too much detail I stopped playing arenas after S3, having reached ratings I wanted then (as Destro not that lame !@# sl/sl crap). It became comp + gear before pvp and which ever class was fotm rather than pvp. If you picked the wrong class you were screwed.

It's the same thing in bg-s :/.

29/06/2012 11:39Posted by Mekkers

I am posting on an alt for the same reason you probably are, so that we can talk about this like adults and not fall in to the "LOL your rating sux L2P" usualness that these threads bring along.

I'm posting on this guy because I'm tired of people judging other people based on the class they play.

Seriously, play a destro lock. One dispel (immolate) and they do zero damage, gain zero damage/cast speed buffs which effects the entire tree. Theres no one mage ability which when dispelled completely destroys ALL their damage.

Destro is crap lol, I'm talking about acctualy good pvp specs. True, a dispell won't ruin the entire mage damage, but it will drop by a huge amount.

Just look at shadow priests and warlocks. Mediocre damage yet outside of teleport/dispersion not real means of escape. Portal requires pre-planning and dispersion still isnt really an escape, its merely a delay to the inevtiable.

They're bad specs in bg-s, however both those specs ( especialy affliction ) are strong in arenas, affliction is op acctualy. And destro isn't that bad for random bg-s, you can acctualy avoid damage pretty good with shadowfury and stuff.

I can see that in general the consensus is that the large amounts of cc combined with the decent damage is the issue and always has been. However i just cant see what can be done about it, or if anything ever will. This thread is largely just a whine like most of the others about frost.

It's sad really, frost was never even close to being the best pvp spec, there was always someone better then mages, especialy in tbc and wrath, yet everyone qq-s about us.

So what is arena? I heard frost mages are balanced there. Too bad i will never reach that holy place cause its guarded by two ret pallies.

:D:):I:(<:(

But man some fmage crits is just insane, im only at 1k+ resi but i think i got a 100k shatter o0

Poor lil me:(

29/06/2012 12:47Posted by Anexxi

It's sad really, frost was never even close to being the best pvp spec, there was always someone better then mages, especialy in tbc and wrath, yet everyone qq-s about us.

Due to 1v1.

Let's face it... most players, myself included, either don't have the talent or the will to go to high ratings where the game is supposed to be balanced. They don't know that frost mages on 2.4k rating are ridiculously easy to kill in some comps...

On the other hand, each and every one of us has died to a frost mage in a 1v1 situation... a situation where they are the best spec in the game (imo). Therefore, our experiences show us that Fmages are OP... which means people come and QQ.

29/06/2012 12:45Posted by Vixxey

Also lol @ rogues playing the most broken class in game whinning about random stuff

I only post on the rogue because I always have, here, and it gets funny reactions from close-minded, judgemental people who can't even read. :) (Tip: I said exactly what you said, and I said that rogues are also a problem, but they are fixed in the beta, and F mages are not. They will still own paladins, but most classes do anyway.)

I could post on any class with a 85, except paladin, since their playstyle is a little too simplistic for my liking. It's only 77.

29/06/2012 12:47Posted by Anexxi

It's sad really, frost was never even close to being the best pvp spec, there was always someone better then mages, especialy in tbc and wrath, yet everyone qq-s about us.

I'm not going to be all: LOL you defend frost magez bcuz ur one lol!
But this is not quite true, frost mages were around the top pvp classes for some time, you can't deny it. The amount of CC's and shields (No, not everyone can dispell it, not only Ret paladins have problems) is annoying, and also counterspell (oooh I hate you! D:)
Played a frost mage myself and it's a kids play to fool people around. Not saying the spec. is OP, but it is above average. But then again, every class/specc has a different level of difficulty vs. other classes/specc's. so.

What class doesn't hit as high as that? Please tell me.

On 4.6k Resilience, a Ret Paladin.

lolololololol

I'm not going to be all: LOL you defend frost magez bcuz ur one lol!
But this is not quite true, frost mages were around the top pvp classes for some time, you can't deny it. The amount of CC's and shields (No, not everyone can dispell it, not only Ret paladins have problems) is annoying, and also counterspell (oooh I hate you! D:)
Played a frost mage myself and it's a kids play to fool people around. Not saying the spec. is OP, but it is above average. But then again, every class/specc has a different level of difficulty vs. other classes/specc's. so.

Don't get me wrong, mages were always good, very good even, but there was ALWAYS atleast 4-5 specs that really needed to get nerfed, but the outcry was always against mages.