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Is it just me.. or have elementals really had a kick to the teeth this expansion? I do enough DPS to scale with my peers, but an arcane mage can get to my DPS easily with a much lower ilevel than me.. i know my gear/gems/enchants etc are all correct.. and i was even told by somebody who has alot of HC downs that i should just re-roll.. he said, if i want fancy titles and items.. just re-roll because you're not going to get any of that as an ele shaman, or just roll resto.. But i love elemental shaman, its amazing.. its the spec/class for me.. i want fancy things for my Grooved.. but it almost appears as i will never get it.. and that hurts for me.. unless im terrible at the game(which will hurt even more) as i am a player of WoW for 6-7 years, so i would figure i have a decent knowledgebase about the game. But so far i do not see any problems with my rotation and anything else for that matter. Mists of Pandaria appears to give Ele Shamans abit of a boost, and im glad! Unless i have this horribly wrong and i have to fail for another entire expansion:( - Cheers, Grooved.

p.s - I don't mean to moan, and i will absorb anything told by me, but i think some explanation needs to be done, as i have an expansive mind and im willing to learn. I do not have it in me to re-roll or change spec:(

I dont know we are really bursty can be hard to survive sometimes i find but are damage is amazing and we have alot of control over caster's and of course Thunderstorm for poeple on Ledges. :D 1 Shot macro

but still enhance is way more underpowered in my opinion.

Are you crazy? We have to target elemental shamans in every RBG because his damage is enormous. And I dont even speak when he equips PVE gear.

Is not this damage enough to you?

Are you crazy? We have to target elemental shamans in every RBG because his damage is enormous. And I dont even speak when he equips PVE gear.

Is not this damage enough to you?

Rated Battleground and Arena Forums are that way -->

Because the OP is talking about 'dps' and Arcane Mages that beat him with lower iLvl I imply he is talking about PvE.

OT: Elementals Shamans are in a really bad state at the moment, but that is no reason to not play the class/spec you love. As long as you are an exceptional Elemental Shaman people will still want you in their raids. If however you are trying to join a raiding guild you may have to respec resto, but that's the case with every spec honestly. For maximum progress a class is supposed to help out the guild. If they need a healer, so be it.

However, stick with Elemental as your main spec and do the best you can. You will still be able to join raid groups. MoP is coming soon and no one really knows what's going to happen there, you may even be the top dps class in the next expansion so don't lose faith!

Are you crazy? We have to target elemental shamans in every RBG because his damage is enormous. And I dont even speak when he equips PVE gear.

Is not this damage enough to you?

Don't think he's complaining about PvP burst, otherwise he'd be in the PvP section of the forum.

am not Sherlock but according to your armory you only got 1 item reforged in your whole gear, isn't that the reason you have lower dps compared to others you have met?

Elemental shamans are indeed a low DPS specc this patch, amongst the lowest of all speccs. However we do stand out on fights where aoe and cleavage is possible, since how good our CL is. Example: Shannox if you tank the dogs together with the boss.

Heya Grooved.. i remember u from some time ago in a raggy grp from openraid.

short template over singletarget dps this tier in full hc bis http://simulationcraft.org/432/Raid_T13H.html

this template is just a rough guideline, but there are worse classes then ele's nowadays (poor doomkins)

onto topic, there's alot u can do too fix your dps atm with your current gear. if u think reforging is a hazzle, get "reforgelite" (http://www.curse.com/search?type=addons&search=ReforgeLite) as i see u have barely tocuhed it and it's really important for heightening your dps. crit is no no. u have over 19% hit which is 2% of a stat of pure dps loss.
choose shaman T13 preset and switch around the priority on mastery/haste to 140 mastery, 120 haste since u have your T13-4set (this is preferential on playstyle, gems etc. but works well as there's so much heightening our haste anyways (fellow tith'ak ppl in raid etc. etc.) and u can keep up haste with high enough mastery.

also, glyphswitching at different bosses can do alot. say on ultraxion, spine, DW u'd want to go for LB glyph instead of unleashed lightning since u'r standing still anyways, and CL major glyph instead of stoneclaw on bosses like yor'sahj and DW for a little heavier AoE in them phases. in progress and on certain hc modes, stoneclaw can ofc be nice if your healers have general trouble, but u could also go for another specc which is at singletargeting increase in dps if u don't have to move around quickly, and also gives you more input healing. (http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/character/chromaggus/Njaff/talent/primary)

How are u'r rotations, and how well are u reacting? unleash elements is a dps-loss to use unless u'r moving so keep to that LB+LVB spam, also get FS on then put ET/searing-totem down as the mechanic has never been fixed, and doubt they will anytime soon and if using ET make sure u'r trinks and pots are popped (ET during lust/hero with pot is prefferential).

Get around to download proper addons if u don't have them. Elementarist is nice, so is spelltimer and tellmewhen for tracking buffs, procs etc. or exorsist forte if u rather like that.

i play Elemental as OS on what is my alt, yet all this is information i've gathered, tested, simmed and are the foolprof evidence which lies in me crapping on the dps of my G-mates mains at so to say all bosses in DS. but i invested time, read up on it, visited forums, tested out different items for different builds, glyphs and playstyles....if u want up there on them parses, time must be invested :)

/Cast Elemental mastery
/stop casting
/cast berserking
/stop casting
/cast Bloodlust
/your target is dead!

Only thing I will say about eles are they're supposed to be a caster class yet they have no real casting abilities in the earlier levels.

Situation with ele shaman levelling:

Place totems, spam Lightning Bolt. The end.

I love casters, however I DO feel casters are still somewhat choice restricted in WoW.

Example:

Mage: Fire, Frost or "Arcane". What about Thunder/Lightning, Wind, Water, Powerhouse non elemental spells, not being restricted to a certain elemental/magic type by speccing?

Warlock: Shadow or Fire. That's it. Enough said.

Balance Druids: Nature or Arcane. With very few actual "spells". Again, enough said.

In fact, ele shaman are the REAL mages in the way that they have more elements at their disposal, however what ruins THEM is the fact that for a "caster" class they get very few spells. Only one real nuke cast and a couple of burst on cooldown.

As someone who feels more of an affinity towards the caster types I find pretty much EVERY class disappointing.

Situation with ele shaman levelling:

Place totems, spam Lightning Bolt. The end.

i see some of the other points in your post, however lvl'ing will never cater to anything but that...moving slowly forward as a grind using the same spells, to kill a certain amount of mobs until they're dead :P

as for this

01/07/2012 20:06Posted by Uldred

I love casters, however I DO feel casters are still somewhat choice restricted in WoW.

If the different classes and speccs of casters in this game would be even more homogenized then it already have, what's the point in having different classes then? so u can make the sky rain fire on a different looking toon?

And they all have a wide variety of spells...i don't know how much u pvp, but it's a clear difference between pve and pvp, whereas in pve u'r not always using the full reportouar...

Although lock in pve in some speccs and fights can be using upto 15-20 different spells, but that's something fairly unique :P

lol ele shaman underpowerd?
lawl

And they all have a wide variety of spells...i don't know how much u pvp, but it's a clear difference between pve and pvp, whereas in pve u'r not always using the full reportouar...

He doesn't have any maxed chars, warlock is highest.

Although lock in pve in some speccs and fights can be using upto 15-20 different spells, but that's something fairly unique :P

So so so wrong. All the specs I play average over 20 spells over the fight, albeit only 5-12 in the 'rotations'. When you count all the cd's you use and such it spikes up much higher as almost any spec.

Probably arcane mage is the only one I can think of below 20, I'm sure someone better than me has 20 for some fights though.

If you check me out, you can see I have Reverbation 2/2 on both PvP and PvE specs. PvE-wise it is a DPS increase in AoE figths where a heavy mastery specced shaman can proc 9 shield charges in 1/2 CL's.
In single target figths it is still a good talent to have when Fulmination and the end of a Flame Shock overlap. (Note: Always refresh Flame Shock first)
If you could log out in your PvE gear, I could make additional comments, but in the meanwhile I'll have to leave you with this guide (http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/3657431793) from the US forums that helped me come back to the game. Elemental is easy but it's 7 spell priority system can get confusing at times and not having a fire totem out even for 1 second is a DPS loss. 17% hit is a must. Reforge as many stats as you can into Mastery (Haste is also an option but i find myself more at ease with Mastery) without going under the hit cap.
I'll check back later to see your gear, but the guide should give you -all- needed information.

I stand by that complaint. Much of the time it's just one nuker and spamming your nuker. I can't speak for eles at max but while levelling ones myself I've noticed that with a got crit your dps can be pretty damn impressive for your level. I suppose it just all depends on how you build your char and how much luck you have.

I guess the difference is that in PvE you want sustained damage at high levels, in PvP it wouldn't matter if you didn't do 60k DPS as long as whoever you target dies before you do.

So yes, in PvP shamans do insane amounts of damage because player health>boss health.

I agree elemental isnt the strongest spec at the moment BUT i still enjoy playing it and thats all that matters!

So so so wrong. All the specs I play average over 20 spells over the fight, albeit only 5-12 in the 'rotations'. When you count all the cd's you use and such it spikes up much higher as almost any spec.

Probably arcane mage is the only one I can think of below 20, I'm sure someone better than me has 20 for some fights though.

ofc. most classes and specs can use a wide veriety of spells depending on playstyle, fight requirements, skill lvl etc. etc. but that does not deny the fact that there IS a wide variety classes inbetween when it comes down to the amount of spells needed to do good dps (on a semihigh level) and in how intense the playstyle is...

I do believe u had me wrong on what i meant when i mentioned the amount of spells used though. As putting down f.x. a totem for this and that depending on the situation is not something i consider part of an "rotation" when it comes to doing dmg to a boss...me doing a divine hymn outa shadow is another example of a spell i use in a fight, however this is not the part of my damaging rotation....what i mean is that the diversity between said comparison like an Elemental Shaman and a lock is quite different in the amount of spells u use for the maximizing of damage on a target in process of being killed..i do not count in extra cd's, defensives, raid-cd's or anything else like that, but the fact that most of the time u'r refreshing FS, lvb spamming and LB spamming......placement of totems is situational, or/also a timid action not going into a 1-1/2---2/1 rotation cyclus of spells :)

watch a video of as high skilled arcane mage u want or feel free to read a guide on that in particularity...the actual dmg rotation and cyclus don't go nowhere near 20...macros, trinkets etc. is not something i put into the count here :)

meeh what a long post...i guess what i was implying from start of was that some classes rotation are much more tedious then others :P

I am so glad with the replies i have been given. Yes i was also reffering to the PvE side, PvP isn't a problem except in arenas ( being squishy ) - I have reforged alot of my gear and i have had upgrades. But i still tend to have this DPS problem, in many places i kick out maximum damage, but for instance on the Ragnaros Heroic fight, my DPS drops like a sack of crap, bursting at 34k and ending up at 22k, i figured that i should be a high DPS as i keep my glyph that allows me to run while casting LB. I always keep my DoT on the target and use Lavaburst when needed, also for movement use unleash elements for the extra damage on a Ele Mastery. I will continue to play into MoP, but if things do not go well, i will definately be re-rolling, and i don't have a problem being Resto, its just why can't i play a DPS spec without being nerf'd? Resto is just ridiculously overpowered. I will keep my eyes open for any improvements as thats what i need to know, i like to stack alot of haste, and i need to put more hit rating on which i know of. But i have sort of.. lost grasp of everything these past couple of months, purely from feeling crap about my character all the time, and MoP arriving, is there a point in slaving away to master something which will be changed in the next few weeks? Cheers everybody, Grooved.

Hey there grooved i am 100% on your side i am a hc raider on my shaman and do around 31k sustained on a dummie and around 40k finish on ultraxion where is my friends in the guild. hunter mage warrior spriest rogue beat me by over 10k dps and they are not even higher gear. there for yes elemental shamans are under powerd and hope they realy help us abit more in mists even though i dont see it happening maybe if we moan about it that little bit more. and takeing away our elemental mastery instant shot just makes me more angry