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Mop rogues rock!!
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i lied...
Im not too happy with the MOP rogue. making a person choose between prep and shadowstep just makes me sad :( (or burst of speed. so im on the target but without any energy /dance) on top of that http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lonDrqODHxw&list=UU6idiEhlPEreqzCWfQ_GiLw&index=0&feature=plcp lookit that burst. you cant even call it burst its more like a fizzle. were ahead of holy pallys. yay. hopefully the numbers will change soon. since its beta. (they keep saying that and shamans have actually gotten awesome but rogues are still the same) do u guys think it will get better? |
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are you actually in beta or are you pulling stuff from the web?
I am currently 90, PVE were in a good place, I leveled as Assass which was pretty fun, and currently swaping between Assass and Combat (based on encounter) during raid testing. As for PVP, duels are not a good measure of balance, there are still a few things to tweak but it isnt as bad as everyone is making out, what you have to realise is that from time to time the best class will be replaced or tweaked into not being the best, does that mean were not viable? no, it just means we need to learn and adapt. |
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Edited by Bovan on 17/07/12 09:00 (BST)
on top of that I agree that something needs to be done about PvP but you just lost all credibility by linking not only a video from Swifty, but more importantly that video from Swifty. Swifty honestly doesn't know anything about Rogues and any Rogue who isn't half asleep can see that 'Hemo Rogue' is actually Combat who needs to build up Bandit's Guile. Swifty is well known for rigging things in a way to make Rogues look worse than they really are. Don't get me wrong we do have issues and I'm not saying we are perfectly fine in MoP at the moment in terms of PvP. But that video isn't going to help prove your/our point nor will it help the devs figure out the problem. In closing, Preparation is a horrible ability and I hope it's going to get removed or reworked. You don't need Preparation. |
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This stuff happens every expansion, because beta keys are given out to pve retards and people like swifty, so no decent pvp testing gets done. Rogue will probably be at least half decent when played properly. The whole prep/shs thing doesn't really bother me since shadowstep is so much more useful than prep anyway. It's more the hope that they tune the numbers at the start and no class is seriously out of whack like s5 deathknights.
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im not really worried about PVE. weve always been atleast decent in PVE. its the PVP im worried about.
looked at the vid closely and yeah i noticed the hemo buff isnt even up and u can see a revealing strike - so its deffo a combat rogue (swifty is such a nab he doesnt know the diff between a combat rogue and a sub rogue?) back on topic when i look at the rogue changes. i dont feel any anticipation. im not waiting for mop to come. however as a shaman or a lock or even a warrior - id be waiting for MOP so i can kick some !@#! |
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yeah in the video it was a combat rogue. You can clearly see revealing strike put up on him.
But really want to know why he never showed feral druids or a Sub rogue even a mutilate rogue? really interested to see what kind of numbers Sub is pulling in beta atm. |
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Edited by Söze on 17/07/12 12:09 (BST)
If you would like to know specific damage numbers for specific attacks I can probably help. In terms of PvE dps Im finding Sub to be slightly behind Mut and Combat by 2-3k. Though my testing of PvE rotations has been far from optimal. I've done hundreds of duels so far so Ive seen a lot of Sub's numbers in PvP mainly. To OP. Sadly rogue are pretty weak in PvP in comparison to most specs out there. Even sadder is the fact that it would take 3-4 small changes to make us "on-par" for the start of Mop |
Not only that, the Rogue also has the green Bandit's Guile insight on him near the end and he uses Adrenaline Rush halfway into the fight. But I guess that doesn't really matter since we already established it's a Combat Rogue. But really want to know why he never showed feral druids or a Sub rogue even a mutilate rogue? Because it's Swifty, no offense to the guy and he might be an amazing Warrior if so many people like to see his videos, but he's completely clueless about non-Warrior classes. I saw a video not that long ago where he went over all the Rogue MoP changes and instead of talking about the actual changes, he was just saying how things we had since TBC were overpowered. He even said the 'new glyph of Sprint that increases our Sprint speed to 100% was one of our most overpowered changes we got in MoP'. |
Indeed the guy is clueless. I think i must have seen the same video. Basically all I saw was him list every rogue ability, describe it and then give 30 seconds of "OMFFFGGGG...rogues are gonna be sooo overpowered in MoP with that ability". Ignorant. |
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Edited by Bovan on 17/07/12 13:35 (BST)
or burst of speed. so im on the target but without any energy /dance Rage =/= Energy. Also, Rogue=/= Warrior. |
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Rage =/= Energy. My offer still stands |
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Edited by Manjbisk on 17/07/12 17:38 (BST)
I agree we'll mostly have to "adapt", but you have no clue how these changes affect us in PvP, it will affect us badly in all of our aspects. You're definitively right in that we just need to adapt, but it actually is as bad as most people put it out to be. |
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I am currently 90, PVE were in a good place, I leveled as Assass which was pretty fun, and currently swaping between Assass and Combat (based on encounter) during raid testing. PvE mongos saying we are in a good place because they killed some quest mobs and dragons really grind my gears. Most of the posts on the beta forums are from pve Rogues as well so none of our pvp concerns are getting raised, they are more concerned with Feint and Tricks of the Trade costing energy, I mean really, like that is our main concern right now. It's unlikely anything will change for us majorly between now and launch so the best option for pvp rogues with be to vote with our feet, reroll monks or don't play the class at all. Once they realise we won't accept our playstyle being butchered and Monks being given our current toolkit on steroids then I think monks will get nerfed and we will get buffed accordingly. |
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the rogue was bad rly rly bad.
and what do you expect rogues have everything in cata healing best def cooldowns mobility utility cc dps blizzard are doing good by nerfing rogues because you can't have everything and thats what most rogues forgot because of cata |
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the rogue was bad rly rly bad. Please leave. |
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the rogue was bad rly rly bad. You cannot deny that you are in need of a nerf |
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I still remember arguing with people during the Cata beta that Smoke Bomb is not "A completely useless, lame ability that will be countered by AoE / healers running in."
I do not like the MoP rogues, because they are uninnovative, boring, and essentially the same since Vanilla (core mechanics.) It's not because they are in any way weak. |
