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Now I've been wondering, how I beat DK's in 2's (I'm currently arena'ing with an average of 1600 rating), it seems like they have so many interrupts, and so much damage, I can't keep beating them with fake casts, and then healing myself to full, as they burst trough my resillience, shields and renew, easily.
When I do a fake cast, they'll either succesfully interrupt me, or stack up Necrotic Strike.
It seems like they have a counter to everything I do, and I can't keep relying on my Psychic Scream, as it well eventually be either dispelled or just completely miss.
I can't keep relying on my instant casts, as there are no hard healing insta-casts, only thing that comes to my mind, is desperate prayer.

DKs can be a pain , get an addon that shows you when they use lichborn so you dont waste fear, then try to shackle-undead them.
They will ether interrupt , allowing you to cast , or get shackled allowing you to run away.

yes, but they will be able to interrupt that, meanwhile deathgripping me, silencing me, pet stunning me, and then having their interrupt ready again (and a 100k absorption shield from NS).
Which proves useless anyway. I am currently spamming mind control on them to waste their interrupts on that, as a substitute for shackle undead, but, history repeats, as I stated above.

And I'm usually matched up against a Shaman/DK combo, which means they have 1 more interrupt to deal with, and my rogue just seem not to be able to stop that, all the time.

DKs can be a pain , get an addon that shows you when they use lichborn so you dont waste fear, then try to shackle-undead them.
They will ether interrupt , allowing you to cast , or get shackled allowing you to run away.

No it won't because Shackle undead is in the holy school, interrupting it is pretty much a no brainer for them. Also DK's with a brain have a cancel aura macro for that anyway.

I know I have no high XP or anything, but I do not believe a priest can survive a DK who knows what he's doing without assistance from teammates.

Also remember that strangulate can be trinketed, not saying that you should always do that, but depending on the situation it is useful sometimes.

12/07/2012 09:23Posted by Essere

I can't keep relying on my Psychic Scream, as it well eventually be either dispelled or just completely miss.

If you're hit and spell pen capped it should never miss.

I am figuring out to get hit cap, but as I said before, it WILL be dispelled, and my rogue cannot peel the DK forever, and then still win, and then he especially can't stop the healer from dispelling.
And I am trinketing strangulate. Which again really doesn't matter when he has 3 interrupts left, or 2 if I'm, lucky, and if we picture the scenario "Shaman" = 2-4 interrupts left.

So what is the rogue doing? Is he trying to kill the shaman before the DK kills you?

In my experience, limited as it may be, playing disc/rogue if you face a healer/DK team your rogue should be trying to score a kill on the DK cos a rogue can literally wreck a DK in seconds.

I don't normally use my fear on the dps cos as you mentioned it just gets dispelled. Shaman are a pain to fear of course cos they are really hard to reach and when you do they just tremor totem :/. I find that most shaman will just tremor the first fear you land on them regardless of the situation, so I tend to try fear them asap just to get them to use it.

I also played 2's with a frost DK a couple of months back, we managed 1750. Priest/rogue teams where a massive pain, I'm not exaggerating when I say I saw my DK partner go from 100% to dead in a single smokebomb. :P

The other issue of course is gear, I notice you're in mostly ruthless gear so at a steep disadvantage against anyone with Cataclysmic - which is probably a fair amount of the teams you're facing. If your partner is similarly geared then it's even worse. Personally I don't think ~1600 is at all bad in that gear and it's probably much better than I could do, so maybe I'm not the right person to be advising here. :p

My rogue is a full cataclysmic (-: and yes I am aware my gear is a BIG let down, especially in 3's, but our experience is, whenever we try to score a kill, the DK unleashes his selfhealing, his icebound fortitude, and his Anti-Magic shell, makes him able to just stroll out of our smokebomb, with full health, immune to slows, spells, and stuns.

Currently me and my rogues tactic was to CC the DK, manaburn or score a kill on the shaman as a Disc/Rogue combo, has a lot of damage.
Thanks for the answer though, I need more opinions on this topic, and more tips and help.

//edit: I am aware that after his defensive cooldowns, we should just reset the fight and kill him.
But that is were they go aggressive, and start CC'ing my Rogue, and just training me, 'till I have nightmares about DK's months after.

I want more opinions :p *bump*

Dont play 2's as a priest you'll just have your !@#$ handed back to you on a plate. Regardless of your gear a DK will chomp right thru you. Even double dps say two rogue will blow all there cd are rip both of you appart inside a smoke bomb.

Druids will cyclone spam you whilst your buddy gets ripped apart. Warriors will sit on your face the whole time and there's nothing you can do....Waste of time mana burning shamens or holy paladins. go 3v3 or 5v5. never enter 2v2. Blame Ghostcrawler.

If you have to much trouble switch to inner fire.
Keep renew, shield and pom on cd. ( do not shield the rogue).
Keep penance on cd, and fakecast with penance. It depends on the person, but they do it just before or just after the second tick. And people are usually very consistend in that. If not fakecast flasheal, when you don't have much to do, just fakecast like a mad man.
Mc or manaburn are often interupted to, I don't use this one specifically much but it does help.

Imo, The rogue should swich between the dk and the shaman, smack the shaman when he has no earth shield, and you are looking fine. Else the rogue should be on the dk.
Should the rogue be on the dk, you can scream for gouges, which allows atleast 1 free cast.
With a dk on you it should be impossible to fear the shaman, and on top of that they have tremor. Fear the dk at the start, and when the rogue is not on him, aka cc'd or on the shaman or w/ez. Fear him to, of cd. Watch lichborne, up=no fear, obviously. Should he lichborne a fear, schackle him. Yes many players do say a skilled dk remove it, trust me, and specially in 2's. They do not. However it does require a fakecast most of the time. When you fear just be ready to schackle.

When you're on the offensive or have the time, dispell riptide, they will always instant re-apply, just keep dispelling, burst and or dots, if you can but that is very unlikely vs a dk.

About fakecasting, Penance is great, because it just heals till interupted most players do interupt it. So cast penance and regarding to the players previous interupts go for either 2 or 3 casts. Else fake cast with flash heal, as said above they are pretty consistant, most interupt asap, which is just slightly after the 0.4 seconds in. If they do it at 1 second, they are likely to do it the second time to.

Yes dk's are a !@#$% vs priests, and shamans healing sure is something. It is your counter. But it should be possible.

Hope it helped, and always remember to shackle the gargogyle, ( you can macro it even).

I also seem to have forgotten abolish disease. Use it whenever he uses the copy spell, of which I forgot the name currently. And occasionally drop it in, it's my understanding that necro, and most of his other abilities hit harder with more diseases on you. If you applied both diseases and is going to or is spamming necrostrike. It sure is worth dispelling those diseases, it will either hit for less, or he has to re-apply waisting recourses.

Dont play 2's as a priest.
Druids will cyclone spam you whilst your buddy gets ripped apart. Warriors will sit on your face the whole time and there's nothing you can do....Waste of time mana burning shamens or holy paladins. go 3v3 or 5v5. never enter 2v2. Blame Ghostcrawler.

well, if you looked at my 3v3 you would see it doesn't go particularly good, need more practice :/

If you have to much trouble switch to inner fire.
Keep renew, shield and pom on cd. ( do not shield the rogue).
Keep penance on cd, and fakecast with penance. It depends on the person, but they do it just before or just after the second tick. And people are usually very consistend in that. If not fakecast flasheal, when you don't have much to do, just fakecast like a mad man.
Mc or manaburn are often interupted to, I don't use this one specifically much but it does help.

Imo, The rogue should swich between the dk and the shaman, smack the shaman when he has no earth shield, and you are looking fine. Else the rogue should be on the dk.
Should the rogue be on the dk, you can scream for gouges, which allows atleast 1 free cast.
With a dk on you it should be impossible to fear the shaman, and on top of that they have tremor. Fear the dk at the start, and when the rogue is not on him, aka cc'd or on the shaman or w/ez. Fear him to, of cd. Watch lichborne, up=no fear, obviously. Should he lichborne a fear, schackle him. Yes many players do say a skilled dk remove it, trust me, and specially in 2's. They do not. However it does require a fakecast most of the time. When you fear just be ready to schackle.

When you're on the offensive or have the time, dispell riptide, they will always instant re-apply, just keep dispelling, burst and or dots, if you can but that is very unlikely vs a dk.

About fakecasting, Penance is great, because it just heals till interupted most players do interupt it. So cast penance and regarding to the players previous interupts go for either 2 or 3 casts. Else fake cast with flash heal, as said above they are pretty consistant, most interupt asap, which is just slightly after the 0.4 seconds in. If they do it at 1 second, they are likely to do it the second time to.

Yes dk's are a !@#$% vs priests, and shamans healing sure is something. It is your counter. But it should be possible.

Hope it helped, and always remember to shackle the gargogyle, ( you can macro it even).

Trust me, I'm camping Inner Fire. And yes fake casts, I'm whoring them.
I'm blaming my gear first off.
But I took a look on DK's especially tauren DK's, even though if I manage to fake cast their Mind Freeze, they'll go like this:
Mind Freeze -> Strangulate -> Death Grip -> (Tauren Stomp) -> Pet Stun -> (Shaman Interrupt) / repeat 'till I'm dead. It just seems impossible, even if I get fake casted their Mind Freeze.
But thanks for the tips (-:

I always want more opinions on this, not only from my fellow priests, but from DK's too.

15/07/2012 15:38Posted by Drdisc

I also seem to have forgotten abolish disease. Use it whenever he uses the copy spell, of which I forgot the name currently. And occasionally drop it in, it's my understanding that necro, and most of his other abilities hit harder with more diseases on you. If you applied both diseases and is going to or is spamming necrostrike. It sure is worth dispelling those diseases, it will either hit for less, or he has to re-apply waisting recourses.

I'm not even sure those diseases are dispellable, are they?

And it's Dark Simulacrum you're thinking of (-:

They are however unholy dk's can indeed make them imuume to dispels. But from most of the times they are not. And regardless if it is or isn't it is still the best spell to use under Dark Simulacram. (arguably Mind soothe is better, but abolish disease should be more easely accesible keybind). Save the trinket for strangulate, or the unholy pet stun.
If they usually strangulate when you fakecast, you can always fakecast and then pop inner focus. It's a bit of a bet, but risks should be taken vs nemesisses.

it always seems like when I pop Inner Focus, they Death Grip me. Which makes me lose alot of time, and if I'm real unlucky, it's enough time for them to interrupt me, since Necrotic Strike reduces my casting time with 30%

bro, u dont have gear, missing enchants, talents 3/3 divine fury against dk for what, go for "better renew trough spellpower(gear+ twin disciplines) +haste(talented - not need to max)..
5 unenchanted items
theoretically we WILL survive untill we have mana, but its imbalanced..
u have low resilence - 400 against me in pvp "heal gear" , - 800 against me in "full defend"
it really helps trust me..
healguide by Drdisc is fine.. i have trouble with dk's too..
i fake them with 0.4 flash.. and most of priests i know.. and if u fake first, u win only 10%, cause yes, they have another 3 kicks :< opt. belf kick, but u CAN kick them too, if ure belf..

in arena.. try to los them (avoid deathgrips interrupts if u are under the pain), it works in nagrand/undercity/dalaran for ex.. ye its mad, but dg is lost if u running arround pillars there.. with inner fire ofc
or try to mc him down on blade edge arena + los deathgrip right after that

e/ oh, i forgot, try to make yourself as a dps priest in arena, u play with rogue, fine, stun heal/dps - by your mate, and go full dps dk, u will not kill him, but u will have overview of his ams/grip in most fights.. (use timer)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XmNDLCUd0ws&feature=plcp there is some games witch dk and priest