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Edited by Azriyel on 03/08/12 08:59 (BST)
Cool, dailies ! Just what everyone loves in this game... oh wait... |
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Edited by Sky on 03/08/12 12:00 (BST)
You make it sound as if casual equals bad. No it doesn't. In my guild casual players also do normals and heroics. Stop finding excuses for being lazy. Sorry? I was actually taking side for casual players. Hence the sarcasm... |
Oh aright. Just I see a lot of "casual" bashing on forums while everyone knows it's that typed of player who keeps game alive. The mass of players who does random things, not rushes trough content and logs off for months after boss kill till next patch comes. |
If you read through the thread you'll realize how long it would take. |
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I smell something dodgy. If they are able to commit to a SCHEDULED raid then they are not casual. If you are able to run unscheduled adhoc raids for such players then you must have a hell of a lot of people on at all times. |
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For all the Hardcore raiders i assume this would be the best thing to happen to them.
For once its all about skill and not time. Everyone gets acces at the same time, everyone has the same time to prepare + some extra window. Got a birthday? no problem you got 6 other days Funeral, idem. I can imagine so many circumstances that would stop people from playing that first 3 days non stop This change just makes the first tier of the expansion feel like the second 1. Everyone has the chance to start as equals Furthermore Like someone stated earlier, people are not being physically forced to do stuff but peer pressure and the consequences of this make it so. also Leveling/Gearing/Raiding being a triathlon... the first two parts are more like a staring contest... the one willing to stare(play) the longest wins and thus has an advantage. I welcome this change with open arms. HC guilds will be able to start raiding the moment the raid opens, but this also gives people with less time to be almost as comptetative. Realm first becomes a skill achiev instead of a time achiev. Isnt this what people been wanting? |
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So you're saying that hardcore people dont find time to play and if you delay by one week they all have equal start? what if some1 has funeral the week later when raid opens, they should obviously postpone raids further so that guy can play. How is it not equal start from launch of an expansion?
Leveling and gearing staring contest? So you are saying that whoever spends MOST time leveling and gearing gets advantage? Dont you see how flawed this is? Guilds that dont have time to race to world..top 50 wont really get benefit of this pushback. They will still be brawling in their own 50-250 ranking bracked that noone cares about. Just because the ammount of the top 50 or so guilds put into actually progressing bosses. Do you think that after preparation time, that according to you gives equalizer for less time spending guilds, HC guilds gonna go 4hour a day, 5 days a week raid progressin schedule? Its still gonna be down to the time spent. Also it is only normal content that opens day 8, further delaying the real, heroic progress race that is THE thing in you count in progress by one week. By that time ALL and EVERYONE will be level 90, geared, ready and get equal start to heroic content if they cleared normal by end of week one(which they should if they call themselves hardcore guild). So there is the equalizer you all seem to be asking for, its there by default. Reminder that realm first achievements are from HEROIC bosses, not from normals. The change only affects the normal mode "race" but pushes heroic race back by one unneccessary week. |
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Edited by Sky on 03/08/12 14:24 (BST)
Vapo, top guilds might actually welcome the change since they can level up alts and have them ready, incase their main classes can't pull the DPS or preform in the way their raid needs them too.
Also, EU had slight advantage over US when Cataclysm came out, just because few guilds actually killed few bosses before raids got reset on Wednesday morning, while US had to wait another 6 days for their raids to reset. This will ensure no one gets head start as well. edit: Besides, it's nice change for people who will level Monks, so they don't fall behind one week gearing wise. |
So dev finally gets the point. Now, remove flying and make sure people don't just hang around in orgrimmar queueing. Cmon blizz, you made this awesome world and people don't even see it because you can just queue for dungeons and bg from orgrimmar. Such a waste. I hope you guys learned from the failure that is cataclysm. It was bad in almost every sence. Yeah you gave us transmogrification (finally) but pvp balance is the worst it has ever been. Storyline is gone (wtf deathwing, nobody cares about him). |
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So far i've only seen "no thanks" posts from players in HC guilds. All of the HC guilds also should know what classes are capable of because of the massive ammount of testing they have done on BETA/PTR. Im sure they will use the time to level alts, farm stuff and all that, but that is not the point.
EU had advantage of maybe killing few bosses before reset on launch IF really pushed. Then again with this way its going US is gonna have same advantage as it has with EVERY tier in expansion except launch(jk this time they get it even in the launch) that U.S maintanance is on TUESDAY, instead of wednesday so they get 24hour headstart on EU. Asia gets even later as their maintanance is on thrusday but ofc noone here cares for that right. So that's about "ensuring noone gets headstart" turns into "noone gets headstart over U.S" If you are in HC guild and going to reroll monk You will RAF it up and you hit 90 before 90% of people in this game. You just do. If you are not in hardcore guild and you rerol monk, you have more than enough time to level a monk up to 90 in the first week anyway. If you guild supports you they will go raid later on the first reset to make sure you will get gears aswell. If you arent in hardcore, or even semi-hardcore guild. Or maybe not even real raiding guild. Then what does it matter if you fall behind by 1 reset in gear just because you didnt put in enough time to do it in the timeframe? Lets say i want to reroll monk but i dont "have time" to put into leveling, so should blizzard postpone ALL content for EVERYONE so i dont fall _1 FREAKING RESET_ behind in gearing a monk while playing in a guild that only does 5mans, LFR and "clears" 1-2 hc bosses with max nerfs while outgearing the instance with Valor gear? As teferi copypasted earlier from U.S If you feel like "pressured" to level faster cuz raids are open, its personal problem, not gamedesing. Just because YOU feel that you are pressured to do level fast and gear up and rush if you are in raiding guild doesnt maean that blizzard should intervene and PREVENT those who actually like doing the rush. TLDR: no one wins, people who want to rush lose. |
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Edited by Azriyel on 03/08/12 16:21 (BST)
What are you smoking ? You even know what casual means ? And "irregular" log on is not only definition and since you are trolling and I shouldn't even respond to this, yes, my guild constantly keeps hitting the members cap and we do have only one scheduled raid, but have random spontanious raid troughout reset. The purely casual team did hit 6 Hcs I think, and the half raiders alts+social members (aka casuals) run hit 8 hcs past weeks. needed 30% but still. Those raids are not as fast as the ourely raiders run, but still good pace. So if you do not want to raid edspite your random logins, it is not Blizzards fault, but your own lack of effort. Irregular log in times, nagging wives and small childern do not stop casual/socials etc run their own raids within guild or attend any of realms gDKP runs. So truly stop finding excuses failing in this already simple game. If you have not seen normal Madness by now, it is own lack of effort aka laziness. more I read your posts I am convinced you troll just for sake of 15 minutes of fame and the quality of this game matters you none. You do not sound as anyone, who even has done any of the raids. You argue and finger point which is easy to do from a faceless alt. Did a raider win some loot from LFR over you that thread after thread you belittle anyone's opinion who has done any raiding normal+ ? nah do not answer, I've read your posts, where you claim thaty posting from alt spares you from stalkers ingame. So I guess being offensive is for you a way to defend yourself. |
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This is much better!
Thats a very good idea spreading the raid launches so those elitists will have job for longer :) |
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Just hope the top guilds on my server don't clear the raiding content in HC 4-5 months before new content. Which is the current state with DS.
If not I reckon the average skill level of my realm will drop... |
Just hope the top guilds on my server don't clear the raiding content in HC 4-5 months before new content. Which is the current state with DS. And why it matters to anyone, when OTHER people clear the content ? Why there's so much stress if someone does LFR, does Hcs or has fun in this game. Why everyone wants game tailored around their own ego ? |
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because we get blamed for consuming content too fast when they release it too fast on easy made. |
then they must make more quality content. The only reason *we' didnt consume it too fast in old days were : a. balancing isues (ragnaros one shotting tanks left and right), b. grinds (grind "raidfoil" today, yesterday and tomorrow) c. lack of experience from devs and players (Blizzard admitted on one of the DVds with CE that they had no clue how to make a MMO and it has been all a lesson and whole new experience) Blizzard has habbit over do things. Either grind it, hit wall or get epics in mail. Finding middle road has been challenging and now to think wotlk was closest to the balance between challenging raid progression (Ulduar anyone ?) and casual slack (dungeons, emblem gear easier raids on size of 10). Cata is just overdoing it. |
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so what your saying is blizzard should make a new raid every 2-3 weeks with art, good environment, engaging encounters, lore, and new skins because people have completed the content? they admit they dont know what theyre doing? great argument against LFR if you ask me. there currently ISNT a middle road. thats the problem. gearing is too easy - and will continue to be in MOP we dont have heroic dungeons anymore. 1 tier of content / good difficulty lost (if they made it as hard as it should be) LFR is too easy. LFR gives free loot LFR allows all players to see something for nothing. Heroic raids get nerfed - that should NOT happen. clues in the name for christ sake etc etc etc. no. TBC was right. if you wanted to see something - go see it. work for it. thats how a game should be. |
