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why do i keep reading that rogues gonna suck in mop? is it really that bad?

Its not so much that rogues are going to suck, its that we seem to have received a tiny fraction of the effort expended in developing other classes for MoP as we are considered by blizzard devs to be "one of the best designed classes".

For pve we have 3 specs which pretty much feel the same and can have the same tools once owned exclusively by sub rogues. PvE dps is easily tuned, and thats pretty much all that will happen.

For PvP, rogues had almost every single ability nerfed in some way, some abilities triple nerfed. Mobility (in comparison to other classes) is nerfed, survivability is nerfed, damage is nerfed (burst). We currently lack the tools to maintain serious dps uptime on a target and when we are on target our damage is poor and weighted too heavily in favour of white damage.

Early expansion is effectively a rogues true beta. All of the things rogues have posted about in US and EU forums which have so far been met with "you're wrong, we are right" by blizzard will slowly be addressed and by patch 5.2 rogues will once again be competetive in PvP.

http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/5071558400

Söze is right. It happened at start of Cata, it will happen again.

I just logged into beta for the first time today so these are my first impressions after spending 30 or so minutes there.

Sub is absolutely dead, lost 3 duels to vicious geared rets without any enchants and empty sockets. 3-4k backstabs - easily outhealed by WoG. Cooldowns of defensive abilites substantially increased. Control is the same but what is control without ability to burst?

Barely won vicious geared frost mage. Feels like damage on cloth is at least 2 times smaller than it is on live. Maybe even more.

Was told to go assa by some friendly guy and lost duel to vicious geared warrior with 378 weapon (note that i overgear the guy by 2 tiers). Rupture ticks which proc poisons do about 7-8k damage, not impressed by envenoms either (overall after playing sub assa spec feels really dumb - spamming mutilate without any need of positional requirement takes away all the flavor of the class - at least we can gouge as assa now...).

Very unhappy. Might as well go mage and faceroll through the start of expansion (or probably gw2 will turn out to have great pvp, who knows).

07/08/2012 10:33Posted by Söze

Early expansion is effectively a rogues true beta. All of the things rogues have posted about in US and EU forums which have so far been met with "you're wrong, we are right" by blizzard will slowly be addressed and by patch 5.2 rogues will once again be competetive in PvP.

About time we add to that 1.5m+ sub loss then.

Yep but we'll be back in no time!

Sadly I'm not in the beta. So I haven't experienced these changes first hand.
But from what I have read, it seems sub rogues have taken a bit of a beating. I'm an assasination rogue myself, always have been and am looking faward to the prospect of haveing premeditation or shadow step. But I noticed that instant poisen isn't on the MoP poisen list? Can anyone confirm if this is being removed?

Not so bad, just no longer faceroll...

Its not so much that rogues are going to suck, its that we seem to have received a tiny fraction of the effort expended in developing other classes for MoP as we are considered by blizzard devs to be "one of the best designed classes".

For pve we have 3 specs which pretty much feel the same and can have the same tools once owned exclusively by sub rogues. PvE dps is easily tuned, and thats pretty much all that will happen.

For PvP, rogues had almost every single ability nerfed in some way, some abilities triple nerfed. Mobility (in comparison to other classes) is nerfed, survivability is nerfed, damage is nerfed (burst). We currently lack the tools to maintain serious dps uptime on a target and when we are on target our damage is poor and weighted too heavily in favour of white damage.

Early expansion is effectively a rogues true beta. All of the things rogues have posted about in US and EU forums which have so far been met with "you're wrong, we are right" by blizzard will slowly be addressed and by patch 5.2 rogues will once again be competetive in PvP.

We have been balanced. I think maybe your afraid that your ratings boost that you curently have from being just sick in all areas, crazy sustained damage, crazy burst, crazy gear scaaling, CRAZY defenses etc, That once we're scaled back you wont be able to keep to the same level or something? Whats wrong with Rogues in MoP, i can't see the problem. We won't be doing as much passive healing sure, but we'll be putting out more sustained damage do to ER from SnD. THings like shuriken toss etc can change the dynamics of rogues defensively for instance, we can kite now hopefully. The fact also that our whole team can go to the other team for a sap is also a game changer.

Im happy with the changes, but then again, i've stuck with rogue through thick and thin. Not just rolling because they're mentally OP atm.

Freecolor oot!

14/08/2012 16:05Posted by Freecolor

We have been balanced.

We really haven't. The jobs been done only halfway. Basically:

1. Nerf OP things
2. ???
3. Profit.

ATM Rogues are at point 2. Due to extremely little effort put into class development we aren't likely to see anything but damage fixes during Mists. Big changes don't happen mid-expac.

Rogues will never suck. We don't have it bad at all. Look at the nerfs Druids are getting for example.

All mobility talents and prep in the same tier, and crippling nerfed to 50%
seems pretty bad to me, idk how we're suppose to have any kind of uptime, but i'll just wait and see i guess.

all these new rogues just know that they wont be able to faceroll when rogues get nerfed. RIght now they're like relentless machines with the cooldowns on cloak, vanishes, sprint, dance, shadowstep etc with their full gear.

You should only see the skilled rogues playing for a while in MoP yay

So far every rogue on beta says that we got hit bad by the nerf bat. Maybe we needed tweaking at THE END of cata, but no reason to make everyone drop the class. As others here have stated the time put into rogue design and gameplay for MoP just makes me wanna drop the game.

/noob

For battlegrounds (cata):
We are quite OP as stealth is basically game breaking.
We got quite nice control and that along with stealth makes us ridiculous overpowered in some bgs.

Arena:
We are quite balanced, can be insane at times, but we are squishy if we fail.
Talking about sub here obviously: Our mobility as for now is good really.
I love playing now, yes setup and gear matters the most as always tho.

We are not overpowered.. or well apart from one thing:
Pve gear, mainly the legendary daggers.
The burst with perfect gear setup, and add tier 3 (legendary daggers) well goodbye any kind of balance discussions. (Tested some with friends that got tier 1-3)

So I guess if this so called pvp-power fixes pve gear domination.
And some tweaks on the burst and add more mobility we should be good to go. But it seems quite "bad" at 90, not 100% sure what is going on at mop beta atm, but I'ma stick with this class as usual, got my shaman if I get boored.. Elemental shamans seems to get a lot of love at mop, so can't wait for it! Hehe

our time will hopefly come again,im not crying over anything,but at least give us more energy regen... i do 2 mutilates in pvp and then when for 2 long to use any other skill,im no pro but i think that sucks,if anyone can give any advice on how to actly win a duel other same geard classes let me know,coz its funny what kinda !@#$ happens to me,whit all my cds,first aid,and food to restore my hp in battel i still end up in most duels beaten. :(

rogue is the most unrewarding class in the game right now.

BUT... rogues in top 2800 rat: http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/pvp/arena/cataclysme-cataclysm/3v3

look they got achiev 2700 1 day ago :D HAha

how pro are they ? Oo

seems legit with 2x more games lost than won