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I see so many of those mounts running around these days, that it really holds not much value. I got mine in an openraid group that went there for 10 weeks for each of us, so not that hard. The raid leader started selling the mount after all of us got it - and we did basically 9 man raggy since the buyer died on the first set of seeds - so, again, does it really show anything anymore to have it? It stopped being a prestige item a long time ago, it's just a "fad of the day" thing now, since people still fret over it. Wait for 6 months, and you wont see them spammed everywhere anymore.
I'd have understood the uproar if Raggy hc was still a "prestige" thing. But after 5.0, I went there with a guild group, out of which half hadnt seen raggy hc, and we killed him in 5 minutes. The dmg was so high, he only got 2 traps, one set of seeds per phase and no meteor at all, basically removing a great deal from p4, since you needed to kite around/trap it. Dreadflames spawned and the boss died 10 seconds after, so even that was trivial. I know it was nerfed to hell even before 5.0, but that..I don't think I want to see raggy hc again now. I cant even imagine how he is on normal, if he's that on hc. So, for me, the fact that there are a couple hundreds of them more running around makes no difference. So some players are happy running around now with a flaming chicken, obtained via a normal run, ontop of the hordes of ones that just bought it. It doesnt take away anything from me. It's just the "end of season" sales, everything thats not current fashion anymore given out for pennies. |
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Edited by Monkylord on 05/09/12 08:25 (BST)
All of us saw the trade spam on monday night. We know that almost no one was doing FL anymore and all of the sudden 7-8 runs at the same time... Just admit people exploited a known bug to get the mount. Blizzard will not do anything anyway. They are scared to loose their precious bovines.
And we come to the "We consume content too fast" discussion again. Why can't things stay hard and challenging? Why do iconic fights have to be brought down to the level of Hogger? |
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Hm, I don't know about this, so fair enough...I can't fault you there. |
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The droprate was never intended, so it should indeed be fixed by now. Currently it is only the heroic version that guarantees a drop.
We do take exploits very seriously, however getting this mount required no exploitation. The drop rate was a bug though, and even though I am sure some were aware of this, there were also those who didn't know. It is therefore quite unlikely that we will take further action on this, and if we do, it would most likely be something minor like removing the mount from those it shouldn't have dropped for under normal circumstances. |
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And we come to the "We consume content too fast" discussion again. Why can't things stay hard and challenging? Why do iconic fights be brought down to the level of Hogger? I've been writing some rivers of text in that thread too, amongst many others defending the old way of keeping some things exclusive. But what can you do when gear scales rampant and, together with nerfs, allows you to skip entire aspects of the fights? What can you do if you put together this model with a boss that's been up for half the expansion? I really can't see why they needed to nerf a t12 boss again in 5.0, after being nerfed already severely after t12. No point going back to old content? Seems to me thats a bit hypocritical, when you nerf the "popular choice of boss" of the expansion several times a tier after its normal life. For a company so bent on pretending to look only towards the future they sure do milk the !@#$ out of the past when it fits their business model. So, has the raggy mount been a "fashion statement" for wow players? Alrite boys, toss it in the "1 euro for everything" basket at the end of the expansion. I'm sick an tired seeing the shopping malls sales model into a fantasy game, but what can we do? We live in the times of the facebook/twitter generation, everything works like the mall or it's not cool enough for the trendy masses. And, from my experience, the minute you produce for the masses, you cant keep exclusivity in the equation anymore. Opposed to vanilla/tbc, when wow was a "nerd game", it is now a social product. Its target got too big to allow concentrated detail. I'll never go to a blizzcon. Rather force my brain to not think about the real intentions behind the game. I'm sometimes considering not reading general forums anymore, I'm sick and tired to hear the mantra "blizzard needs to make money, so that justifies <insert dumb new feature introduced here>". You know those people claiming the spirit healer keeps telling you subliminal messages about "give us your money"? That's bull%^-* compared to the humming on the general forums, and the funny part is, they did it so well, its the players doing all the "subliminal work" now. |
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Edited by Bruceelee on 05/09/12 08:40 (BST)
Lol ,there was 100+ Pugs farming FL normal just for that....i'd remove mount from anyone who got it at certain point Those that would get it in normal enviorment are in lot lower % |
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What if we intended to do FL anyway but were way more motivated when we were aware of the 100% drop rate ?
I don't know how to do "it would most likely be something minor like removing the mount from those it shouldn't have dropped for under normal circumstances." |
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Its clearly been stated that's not the case. Please stop the equine assault. |
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Everyone was aware of this. Only a tiny amount of people would've obtained the mount this weekend legitimately rest all used the bug to farm rag normal. If you remove the mount from everyone who got the mount during this bug then the back-lash would be minimal as most people are guilty as charged. Double standards and you guys are too lazy to fix this or rather you lack the back-bone to do so as you're afraid of what the casuals (not meant as insult) will do if you take their toys away. Poor game management, fire whoever is responsible Over and out. |
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we tried it aint dropping on normal |
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Players have been exploiting this bug all week to benefit themselves, their guilds, and other players.
And Blizzard Exploitation Policy say: "In an effort to preserve an enjoyable and fair experience for all players, we constantly monitor all World of Warcraft realms for exploitative activity". The definition of an Exploit. "An exploit, in video games, is the use of a bug or design flaw by a player to their advantage in a manner not intended by the game's designers". In all honesty, it is simple to track who did and who didnt earn the mount. Anyone who earned it in regular from August 28th to September 4th. |
99% of people were clearly aware it was most likely a bug and saw no issue with doing it anyway Simply? No. I did not Farm the Mount (i had this long before) but i and the most People that i know, did not see any Bug here. We just think'd thats a Feature of the Patch, but for sure not an Bug. |
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Players have been exploiting this bug all week to benefit themselves, their guilds, and other players. Yes but its much harder to track the groups who WOULD have had a mount drop regardless, with a situation like this statistically speaking bugged or not some of the groups could have had the mount drop. In terms of an exploit, it really isn't. A bug yes. But to exploit something you have to perform an action out of the ordinary. Considering killing raggy was a normal process blizzard are thus not considering it an exploit. It doesn't alter the encounter in any way, it doesn't decrease its difficulty , it doesn't bypass phases or mechanics. Its just an oversight by blizzard in the drop rate this patch. Which has now been fixed. |
A likely story. Why didn't they make DS normal drop the 1 percent mount 100 percent of the time as well? Why not do this with Mimirion's head or invincible too? As has been said before, when LFR exploits and such were happening it's the same people who are now keeping quiet and saying it's just a game that got loads of guilds banned cause it was apparently unfair to the average wow player. |
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That is a completely different scenario, they were doing something out of the ordinary to avoid the loot mechanics of the LFR. That was an exploit. Doing raggy and having the mount drop is not. |
