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Make it liek it was in teh old days when u had to put some effort to get stuff.

Everyone i talked to like vanilla wow, back then epics where epics. Now days everyone get epics to easy.

Blizz should go back to when ppl had to get rating for some pvp gear, not like now when everyone gets good pvp gear just by doing some casual arena every week.

Ppl get tired if its to easy to get stuff. And here is where blizz is failing, they think if they make the game more casual they get more players, but what they dont understand is u lose alot of players cause everyone can get the same stuff easy.

Pvp and raid epcis should be hard to get

To be honest, this is because when you think of vanilla as the expansion, they mostly only remember the "fun" part of it - but not the agony, and pain.

This is called the "nostalgic" feeling, because you only know what you truly had, when you dont have it anymore, and some people may forget parts they thought was terrible at that time.

I myself did not play that time, and i cannot make any spesific arguments on this, but people who played back then spent an approx 2 months to lvl to get end game, and most of the time it was said to be an pain without using thottbot cause of the quest's giving so terrible info about where the thing you had to get actually was.

Right now, yeah - it sure isnt hard getting good gear, but gear shouldnt be the factor of "skills" or "power" as many people like to call it.

Since now, you cant really work super hard getting an gear piece for then to be really overpowered since you had so much better gear then everybody else.

- But this opens up for more "skills" to be put in, more effort into your rotation makes you more powerfull, which will give that "good" feeling of power, which one could achieve by playing alot back in the days.

But to wrap it all up; People whom play casual arena's arnt as good as them who play 12/7 you know farming arena's, brainstorming diffrent tactics on brining down the oposite team?

also: The only thing that is making the game a little "casual" is the raid lock, and the cap - which is avoidable by playing more characters, cap all your character.

Set items also used to be spesial, now their handed out for free in raid finder, which is the only thing i find as an issue. 4set should be spesial. and be an huge factor on your dps, and should be hard to get. (Like in firelands (4.3) )

I truly wish i did play the vanilla patches (and beta) but, i just didnt have the funds for it back then :3

Hope this changed your view upon old content as so far.

Thanks for reading, and i hope you enjoy'd my post :3
~ Shellfish

Making things simpler = removing content.

And then everyone complains that there's not enough content.
They have nothing to do and go away.

See reputation farming, gear, mounts, pets - the easier it gets the more boring the game is.

Making things simpler = removing content.

And then everyone complains that there's not enough content.
They have nothing to do and go away.

See reputation farming, gear, mounts, pets - the easier it gets the more boring the game is.

That is cause dragon soul was an rushed extra part to the game. as they could not just have skipped the dragon soul part and gone for an early'r mist of pandaria launch.

You can easy notice this on the dragon soul fights. and how "creative" they are.

Anyhow, i have all my respect for blizzard, and i hope they succede winning back people's trust in Mist of pandaria - as it is said to be more "content" full.

Its also posibilities to help them, by using the suggestion form ingame (or forum) to give the developers ideas on features they can do to improve your enjoyment, also by giving them ideas on how to award the players, and not making it so that you have to logg in once a week doing your weekly raids.

~ Shellfish

Make it liek it was in teh old days when u had to put some effort to get stuff.

Everyone i talked to like vanilla wow, back then epics where epics. Now days everyone get epics to easy.

Blizz should go back to when ppl had to get rating for some pvp gear, not like now when everyone gets good pvp gear just by doing some casual arena every week.

Ppl get tired if its to easy to get stuff. And here is where blizz is failing, they think if they make the game more casual they get more players, but what they dont understand is u lose alot of players cause everyone can get the same stuff easy.

Pvp and raid epcis should be hard to get

Vanilla wow - where half your raid could go AFK. Sounds epic. The only work that had to be done was to ensure you had 40 people turning up, doesn't sound that epic does it really. Bosses are actually more complex now than they were back in vanilla, go check bosses now and then. Nice try, maybe remove the rose-tinted glasses.

I see your one of those people who add casual to everything to make it an insult. Could you explain what exactly casual arena is?

Make it liek it was in teh old days when u had to put some effort to get stuff.

Everyone i talked to like vanilla wow, back then epics where epics. Now days everyone get epics to easy.

Blizz should go back to when ppl had to get rating for some pvp gear, not like now when everyone gets good pvp gear just by doing some casual arena every week.

Ppl get tired if its to easy to get stuff. And here is where blizz is failing, they think if they make the game more casual they get more players, but what they dont understand is u lose alot of players cause everyone can get the same stuff easy.

Pvp and raid epcis should be hard to get

They are hard to get. You don't even have any, so what are you complaining about?

Make it liek it was in teh old days when u had to put some effort to get stuff.

Everyone i talked to like vanilla wow, back then epics where epics. Now days everyone get epics to easy.

Blizz should go back to when ppl had to get rating for some pvp gear, not like now when everyone gets good pvp gear just by doing some casual arena every week.

Ppl get tired if its to easy to get stuff. And here is where blizz is failing, they think if they make the game more casual they get more players, but what they dont understand is u lose alot of players cause everyone can get the same stuff easy.

Pvp and raid epcis should be hard to get

Vanilla wow - where half your raid could go AFK. Sounds epic. The only work that had to be done was to ensure you had 40 people turning up, doesn't sound that epic does it really. Bosses are actually more complex now than they were back in vanilla, go check bosses now and then. Nice try, maybe remove the rose-tinted glasses.

I see your one of those people who add casual to everything to make it an insult. Could you explain what exactly casual arena is?

Casual arena - you team up with gearless rnds on a tuesday evening to get your cap. Others across your realmpool do to. It's a casino with arena points as a reward, since winning against other clueless and sensless teams is pure luck (dual heal teams in 2v2 come to mind).

Is it forbidden all of a sudden to like Vanilla? And that was not the point of the OP. The point was that the content is to easy, thus consumed too fast. And thus people complain that there is not enough content.

Casual arena - you team up with gearless rnds on a tuesday evening to get your cap. Others across your realmpool do to. It's a casino with arena points as a reward, since winning against other clueless and sensless teams is pure luck (dual heal teams in 2v2 come to mind).

Is it forbidden all of a sudden to like Vanilla? And that was not the point of the OP. The point was that the content is to easy, thus consumed too fast. And thus people complain that there is not enough content.

Okay so, what your saying is that people is doing weekly to get gear? (raiding no)???
And if you really want to, you can go for rating - thats the point, that is not benefits of playing alot. but the "experiance" counts more, as in - Knowing everything the oposite team is cap-able of. and know diffrent nifty mechanics to bring them down.

Basicly, now - its much harder to get 2200, then before. Cause you get the gear so "easy".
And it still takes a while to get honor gear, then yet again a while to get full conquest.

Anhynow..... people are consuming the content much faster now, because they are more experianced - its 10 years into the game soon, and the engion aint getthing that much better. also you can almost expect what the engion can provide in diffrent boss mechanics.

You cannot really get it like it was back then, because that was back then - now is now. people are more desperate for graphics, cool mechanics, and nice features.

Allways get a good chuckle when vanilla players go "epics were epic back then" sure they were epic, but not becouse it was hard, simply becouse vanilla was such a grind when it came to gear be it PvE where you had 40man raids and many rolling or PvP where you had to BG day in and day out for months to get to the higher ranks.

So in my opinion wow is better of where gear is easier to get and it comes more down to the player insted of the gear.

Allways get a good chuckle when vanilla players go "epics were epic back then" sure they were epic, but not becouse it was hard, simply becouse vanilla was such a grind when it came to gear be it PvE where you had 40man raids and many rolling or PvP where you had to BG day in and day out for months to get to the higher ranks.

So in my opinion wow is better of where gear is easier to get and it comes more down to the player insted of the gear.

This is what i mean.

hmmm..yeees....let us bring back the torture and agony of getting 40 people to do something and and...let's make it so that you have to grind 5 months worth of game time to get a level! oh yes and let us make things hard and bring attunements that last you years to complete,OH SO AWESOME!

but seriously: nostalgia is bad for you and think of it like this:

wanted to do raiding? get 40 people where they will go AFK,log off and then take for ever to do anything,therefore you take more time getting together rather than actually doing the raid

wanna do PvP? well you can do that but don't expect low lvl to be balanced out...wait...when was low lvl balanced anyway?

wanna get to a dungeon/raid? well you got to walk there since it's like vanilla and vanilla was the best,and then have your warlock summon everyone because you and him are the only ones that showed up to the dungeon entrance etc etc.

you know...i will let crendor explain what vanilla was like

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2saAgaJ6p54&feature=g-user-u

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TbT-cW8Zb7o&feature=g-user-u

here you go,take a look at them and think if classic was so awesome as one says and if it would be smart to get it back like it was

@Morang .... hahah, knew someone would bring up crendor in this convorsation, was just sitting and waiting for it

08/09/2012 19:51Posted by Shellfish

This is called the "nostalgic" feeling, because you only know what you truly had, when you dont have it anymore, and some people may forget parts they thought was terrible at that time.

Please please please, its not nostalgic. Its because we really really just don't like the new expansions. Its not because it was new, and exciting.

hmmm..yeees....let us bring back the torture and agony of getting 40 people to do something and and...let's make it so that you have to grind 5 months worth of game time to get a level! oh yes and let us make things hard and bring attunements that last you years to complete,OH SO AWESOME!

but seriously: nostalgia is bad for you and think of it like this:

wanted to do raiding? get 40 people where they will go AFK,log off and then take for ever to do anything,therefore you take more time getting together rather than actually doing the raid

wanna do PvP? well you can do that but don't expect low lvl to be balanced out...wait...when was low lvl balanced anyway?

wanna get to a dungeon/raid? well you got to walk there since it's like vanilla and vanilla was the best,and then have your warlock summon everyone because you and him are the only ones that showed up to the dungeon entrance etc etc.

you know...i will let crendor explain what vanilla was like

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2saAgaJ6p54&feature=g-user-u

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TbT-cW8Zb7o&feature=g-user-u

here you go,take a look at them and think if classic was so awesome as one says and if it would be smart to get it back like it was

Everything you just mentioned, was what Vanilla was, its what I missed and in my opinino that was better and more fun!

Posts like this are always the same. Thread #1 - wow was terrible after vanilla / TBC
Thread #2 - but remember the bad parts that you ''forgot''?!!?!?! nostalgic idiot

The good parts of wow before wotlk outweighed the bad parts. pve hasnt been worth doing since ulduar, quite honestly. if wow was better in 2012 than it was in 2008, the game would not be stagnant / falling. people seem to think that the fall was caused by the game falling out of fashion. thats not the case. they just lost the hardcore audience they needed to keep the game successful

08/09/2012 19:58Posted by Qtena

Making things simpler = removing content.

True, but the advantage of making things simpler is that its also easier to create. Blizz have admited they have greatly improved their tools to develop content for wow, so it seems rather paradoxical to give us less content than ever before. They're even cutting massive corners (One difficulty of dungeons in 4.3, nothing exceptionally new in heroic dragonsould over lesser difficulties, leaving darkmoon faire unfinished) and still manage to not bring out much content.

I dont mind if they make things simpler in the name of stopping things being obtuse, thats fine. But i am worried about what actually happened to the dev team, its like their love for the game has been lost of the years with the sheer amount of problems of recent patches (Not that its surprising since activision got involved).

08/09/2012 20:57Posted by Someoneelse

Vanilla wow - where half your raid could go AFK

1st of all, you clearly never tried BWL in vanilla, god that was a laugh. Secondly, isnt that still better than raid finder where half the raid afk's and a further quarter may as well not be there? Where two reasonably competent healers not only do the work of what, according the tool, six should be doing but also render both tanks completely obsolete?

Onto topic, there are certainly aspects to vanilla that were massively flawed but there are also parts of vanilla that people like, theres no reason the parts that are liked (social responsibility for one, something to keep you occupied after the first 2 weeks) could be implemented with modern day tools.

Actually writing this i've realised one of the main reasons i dislike the direction of the game is the nature of the problems with it. In vanilla and tbc you could say decisions were a stylistic choice, or limited by technology. Whereas in cata, the problems are largely attributed to either a lazy, incompetent or underfunded (to be honest if activision find it difficult to justify funds for WoW they really need to just move on cos they clearly have no idea what their doing) dev team, who have the technology and the suggestions from these very forums to implement fixes for problems.

ok so we onto the same boring subject of old vanilla again are we so who remembers what armour looked like I mean the good epic armour want to see some on a loladin erm a mean a paladin and after watching the clip decide if you feel you would look epic in that gear now hehe:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VpjOi92Jtk8

I can assure you vanilla had its good points but also had it bad points and im affraid it doesnt matter how many posts you put up on the subject vanilla servers will never be implimented how hard can that be to understand oh I forgot you cant understand as 20% of those posing were not around in vanilla. bc isnt classed as vanilla its just standard wow thats vanilla sorry all those claiming bc is vanilla go back to the end of the que and qq some more.

WoW does more and more right with each expansion. The only trouble I feel is that because you are not spending months levelling up in each expansion, there is just no player driven outside world. Its all quiet in like a week and a half while people queue. And a lobby game hardly warrents a monthly sub. They really need to merge servers, slow levelling and get people being in the world more as the actual game (which is what vanilla was to the majority). When was the last time you needed a green? This is not being elitist or anything, its just reemphasing players in a persistant world which I just think has gone out of the window.

Allways get a good chuckle when vanilla players go "epics were epic back then" sure they were epic, but not becouse it was hard, simply becouse vanilla was such a grind when it came to gear be it PvE where you had 40man raids and many rolling or PvP where you had to BG day in and day out for months to get to the higher ranks.

So in my opinion wow is better of where gear is easier to get and it comes more down to the player insted of the gear.

it comes more down to the player insted of the gear.

Wait.. You are talking about Cataclysm right?

BWAHAHAHAHAAAA

Okay so, what your saying is that people is doing weekly to get gear? (raiding no)???
And if you really want to, you can go for rating - thats the point, that is not benefits of playing alot. but the "experiance" counts more, as in - Knowing everything the oposite team is cap-able of. and know diffrent nifty mechanics to bring them down.

Basicly, now - its much harder to get 2200, then before. Cause you get the gear so "easy".
And it still takes a while to get honor gear, then yet again a while to get full conquest.

Anhynow..... people are consuming the content much faster now, because they are more experianced - its 10 years into the game soon, and the engion aint getthing that much better. also you can almost expect what the engion can provide in diffrent boss mechanics.

You cannot really get it like it was back then, because that was back then - now is now. people are more desperate for graphics, cool mechanics, and nice features.

No really, if you only knew what you were talking about, it would be much easier to understand...

As for player vs. gear - in cataclysm it boiled down to the flavor i.e. class of the month, be it warrior, mage, rogue or mage or mage. Priests were ok. The problem was that there is no motivation really to do arena / organize a team if you'll get nuked 9 out of 10 times by a pve rogue in RMP one way or the other. But that's a whole other story. I just described what "casual arena" is.

On a side note - at least in Vanilla you had to socialize enough to find 40 people to go afk. Now you just click a button and you're in a raid where the majority is afk or people you don't want any contact with. It's not fun, its torture most of the time. How is that better? You get gear at expense of fun and making friends in wow? I don't get it. What do I need gear for if there's no compelling game to use it in.