15/11/2012 14:31The beta forums were all on the same place. You literally cannot continue to argue against this when your own argument has been destroyed by Blizzard already allowing this.
Posted by Ulsaki
Now I'm confused. Were the beta forums shared for US and EU? As in, both posted in the same forum?
My confusion is partly because Maievs posts seemed to imply they were not shared.
Also, my point was the servers, not the forums.
That is, it might be the servers that affect why the forums are separated.
Or it might just be a relic from WoW's start. I don't know which.
Further, plenty of people run international sites despite operating in different countries. Microsoft is a good example, with all Xbox Live customers able to post on the same forum despite operating in many different jurisdictions including many in the EU. Yet another case to back up how you're making up nonsensical and non-existent laws.
You clearly do not understand how the laws operate because they do not prohibit discussion. They govern the way business is conducted. Blizzard US could host the only official forums and do so on the moon, and allow EU customers to post there, it has no bearing on anything as long as Blizzard EU does business in the EU under EU law. Almost all the internet is international and there is no EU law to stop it.
There is no EU law that says "EU customers cannot post on US-based forums", as evidenced by countless organisations allowing it, including other businesses of a similar nature to Blizzard. Stop making up this utter nonsense.
I freely admit I don't understand how the international trade laws and business laws operate.
Even the parts I've read didn't appear to make much sense most of the time. :P
Unless something has changed though, internet companies are required to follow the national laws in the country the servers hosting their site is located.
This was quite the issue back in... the late 90's early 00's I think, because many piracy sites set up shop in countries that had very loose regulations about things like copyrights and were even more lax about enforcing them.
There's also the issue or patents or censorship, the legislation for which is different in many countries.
To take an oft-cited example, germany cracks down hard on blood and violence but is pretty easy about nudity, while the US are the complete opposite.
(And the australian government is just evil when it comes to games. I feel for the aussies.)
Granted, WoW isn't exactly an extreme game in either of those categories, but there might still have been laws in place regarding the servers that affected why the forums were split.
I will state for the record that I'm not claiming this was what happened, since you were so quick to claim I made up laws, but it's something I can see might have been an issue.
Please also note the liberal use of the word 'might', not 'this is why the forums are separate'.
Also, I don't know if the EU forums are hosted on the EU servers (as I assume the US forums are hosted on the US servers), but if they are then the servers' location might have been a factor in why the forums are separate.
As you entirely correctly say, many international businesses have forums and online feedback tools allowing people from all over the world to post on them freely, and I don't see the situation being any different for Blizzard.
Unless there was some regulation related to the location of the physical servers that affected the forums by proxy.
Or possibly something censorship related to the game clients making Blizzard wanting to keep the forums separate. Could have gone something like:
"Ok, the different censorship laws in the various EU countries means we have to change the game client a bit. Better give them a separate forum so we can address any issues separately. Means we can also give them their own CM's which will have working hours when the europeans are awake rather than having our CM's posting replies when they are asleep."
Or, also a distinct possibility, it could be a relic of WoW's early days where they set things up after seeing how things grow and if it looked like it was needed.
I wasn't around in classic so I have no idea if the EU forums launched on the same date as the US forums did or if they were opened later.
I do think that is WoW was launched today the US and EU forums wouldn't be separate though. But hey, I could be wrong about that too, who knows? :)