No no no, no, you don't HAVE to do any of this stuff, no matter what you keep repeating it does not make it true, MSV is tuned for heroic 463 gear and if you think you need an edge because you cant squeeze the most out of that gear, then do you just want an npc to hand the upgrades over to you?
You have convinced yourself Blizzard have 'hidden' this gear from you, that you need. You don't NEED it, it's not hidden and you merely want it, it's up a tree so go and climb it, you cant just cut down the tree.
if your guild/raid leader says you must do LFR to get better gear because you're holding the raid back, thats not blizzard making that so and chances are its nothing to do with gear holding anyone back but maybe if you dont agree with those terms imposed by the raid leader, you should raid with other people, if you cant pull the performance because you dont have epics... not blizzards fault
you do not NEED epics for MSV, you want them, therefore you do not NEED to do dailies, you do not need rep, you do not need patterns, you do not need mounts, you do not need the tillers.
i have only to finish the last part of revered with august celestials and i have completed all the factions, when i started to get a bit tired of sooo many dailies, i had finished 2 or 3 of the factions and got a quest with a nice reward at the end so the next day i had less dailies to complete! i had plenty of VP earned and 1500 lesser coins saved, then week by week i had less and less dailies to finish another epic quest reward and a onyx cloud serpent and now i just have to do 4 and it takes 10minutes and i have some pretty decent gear for my trouble, some fun pets levelled, i can farm motes of harmony to keep myself with flasks and gems and hit LFR on my OS now to attempt to gear that up.
i levelled a druid and monk to 90, now im gearing my monk, farming on my druid, and levelling my hunter AND i still have time to study Swedish every morning, go to the store, watch movies, take walks and go to the gym.... its not hard, it really doesn't take that much time and i think its damn good fun.
effort = reward
also what % of players post on the forums, or rather what % of happy players take the time to post here vs % of unhappy players? im guessing the larger happier portion of players are actually logged in having fun doing stuff, so lots of complaints here doesn't show the true opinions of the average player.
Because those dailies are linked to ACHIEVEMENTS and are at least lighthearted enough to help me keep some sense of sanity in between the other grindfests.
Skarzraks summed it pretty nicely, i am the raid and guild leader, and im not forcing anyone to do lfr, ofc i have suggested it to the players that are lacking a bit of performance, whatever the reason, maybe a bit of dps missing or healing, but its not mandatory, what i have been very firm on was making sure raiders learned how to play the classes, skill>gear.
I am almost exalted with the celestials and that ends my rep grind of the expac (for now), i did it, not because of the gear, i did it because i wanted to do it, i was completly decked in hc blues and we were doing progress. Blizzard did a good job tunning the content so you can clear it using hc blue gear and skill, if you are lacking the skill i guess you can cover it with gear.
Grinding the rep allowed me to get most of the mounts and toys from all the factions and ofc i got loads of coins witch will allow me to get some extra free loot rolls from the real raids wich will help counter my super bad luck with gear drops;).
Ye i think the quantity of players that complain are not even 10% of the players that are happy with the content and dont need to keep coming to the forums to complain on something that you have the choice of doing or not. If your raid leader forces you to do it, well its your raid leader that failing not you.
Next patch comes the system to upgrade your gear using valor points so you will be able to spend it on that.
Stop complaining on stuff you have choices on and enjoy the game people, you will be happier and will make the forums a better place for sure.
Lets convert this situation to something else to compare this situation with:
Lets say you like to play in the casino on a slot machine. When you have played for a while you get some tickets from the slot machine. The casino made a deal with the store next door that you can convert enough tickets into some nice stuff. So you go on and play the slot machine for a few weeks, because you like that. So after saving ticktes you go to the store to convert your tickets into the nice stuff. But now the store owner says you atleast have to run errands for him 15 times for 1 hour long to get the nice stuff.
Now tell me that you would not mind running errands for him before converting ticktets. That is exactly what is going on here. Someone who likes heroics gets rewarded, but cannot convert his rewards before the factions have reached revered?
It just doesn't make any sense to me.
Lets convert this situation to something else to compare this situation with:
exactly.. your main goal was playing the slot machines, not the extra bonus items..
so if you want those "extra's" afterwards, why not run some errands for them?
you didn't play slots to get those items anyways.. you want them? -> put in the extra effort
don't want them? -> no problem, as they weren't your main goal anyways..
EXACTLY the same thing as with dailes/vp gear etc..
rep gear, mounts, etc are an extra for people who want to put in the effort for doing dailies
it's so extremely sad that people still look back to cata where you could buy top lvl gear and items as soon as you capped..
even in cata some paterns were gated behind e.g. a whole series of quests in twilight highlands.. i feel it's about the same effort and n° of quests required in this case..
ok.. Blizzard COULD have gone with the same build of doing a quest series instead of dailies.. in order to phase the vendors...
but in the end, how long does it take? after 2 weeks i was revered with Golden Lotus, giving me access to high end VP gear.. and i didn't even do the dailies every day!
so people, please stop complaining that it takes too much effort!
and by the way, MoP has only been out for 6 weeks.. so problem seems more to lie with the players who just want everything right now instead taking a little bit of time..
i'm not a huge daily fan, but i don't have to do them and they allow a large amount of content to be tied into reputations which is good as its always something to do over the next 2Years of the expansion if i had it all now It would be a pretty crap expansion (like cata).
rep gear is not needed for raiding, i see it more for people who do not raid to get some better gear over time. If you are an amazing raider you won't need it, if you need some gear to progress lfr as a raid option is there and just slowly farming the gear for the raids from the raids the way it was always done. people want everything now with no thought that they have extended time lime to get it all in!
We have maybe 6 months for this first tier of raiding, we are about month in you dhouldnt have it all done by now! or you got a boring 5 months or so ahead.
I think the leveling and time gating is just right, to stretch the content nicely over the time available. And i love that gear is focused more on drops than points which is as it should be.
Well for me logically if dungeons and roaids provide you with valor points they also should provide you with a means to use said points, I think one of the selling points of mop was to give a player a choice in what to do and give everyone someething to do he can enjoy, yet you can cap vp via dungeons/raids and not have anything to spend it one if you don't do dailies.
The extra roll tokens also exclusively require dailies (and tbh I do not get why the blue ones were not made currency while you have to stockpile those and the other ones you can only have 10 of are).
I know that if you plan around a bit you can cap vp and do a limited amount of dailies as there are more items then you can get points in the time it gets you to the amount of rep needed.
To me its just silly that some of the more enjoyable things in the game only pay off if you do dailies otherwise you just get a token reward with no real use.
And we never get them.
I have seen White Tiger dailies only once on my way to exalted.
Did Cradle of Chi Ji couple of times after it was fixed (was available every day before).
You know, I'd love to be done with achievements that depend on dailies and forget about doing them forever.
This RNG is annoying. 2 Jade Serpents and 13 Niuzao's in last 15 days. FML.
I thought I would share by view on the current situation as a casual altoholic player. I completely understand the reasoning behind the desission to make epic gear hard to obtain this early in the expansion. The game would most likely turn out to get boring rather fast for most players if they could get the best gear right away.
I always hated doing dailies so I decided only to go to revered with golden lotus and shadowpan with my first lvl90 character and see how the rest of my characters fares without doing dailies at all.
I had extremly bad luck with Sha and LFR the first weeks. Even tho I timed so I got up 3 lvl90s for the opening of the 2 first LFR parts it took until this week until I finaly got something from LFR or sha with any character. and when it rains it pours as they say so last night m mage recieved 6 epic items in one evening from sha and LFR. So far so good.
Now my issue is, how do I reach 470 ilvl with my chars that did'n do dailies and one of them also missed brewfest trinket?
I welcome the change of double rep with factions after one reaching revered and faster valor after one reach cap, Im sure it motivates people with 1-2 extra charcters but it hardly makes me wanna do dailies with all 10 characters that will soon be 90. I dont even consider any character a main, I get bored of the game if I dont play all classes equaly much.
I just dont understand why the tabbard solution from cata was scrapped, it suited me perfectly fine since I really love doing 5 man instances with all different classes. I also think it brought more good players into random instance groups becuse there was another reason than just loot to run the instances, that reason is now removed. I already have several level 90 characters I want to gear up, but its not realistic to do daily quests with all of them.
So to sum it up, what I miss in the game as an altoholic:
• More different ways to gain reputation than just daily quests.
• More account bound things(instead of soulbound).
• Make the blues from rare spawns account bound at least if you refuse them to be BoE.
• Make currencies account wide. I still dont understand why gold isnt account/realm bound so I wont have to mail sums of gold back and forth between my characters.
Things I love in Mist of Pandaria as an altoholic:
• Many new account bound items, rare finds in the world.
• Lots of rare spawns that drop mid level BoE epics I can use for my alts leveling.
• LFR, I can easily try out "raiding" with most classes now.
PS. Blizz, I was really dissapointed when I learned there was no follow up achivement after getting 5 classes to 90. :< at least make achivements for reach 8 and 11 different classes too, please. :)
90 Pandaren Shaman
100 times this, but seem people still skip over and talk about plates and things being handed out. no one is asking for free things just and alternative thats all.
So my question is, Whats wrong with having and alternative method for grinding rep?
PVP? pet battles? 5 man dungeons? Proffesions? AH? Achivments? Transmogrification? Alts? Hunt rares? Hunt rare items from paneria? explore?.....Ye i guess there is really nothing to do on wow except dailies and lfr <.<
I think that one of the main issues causing people to get stuck at doing dailies is just that they are dailies and its so obvious when you look at it that if you dont do them they will go to waste. Becuse you cant do todays dailies and go back and do yesterdays if you missed them.
Its sadly just the way many humans think, Im just glad Im not one of them becuse I feel it would be hell to get stuck in that way of thinking. :)
I think the entire system for daily quests need to be reworked to not work so systematic at all.
It needs to get away from the grind.
Give more ways to gain rep.
Make dailies more rewarding but more challenging.
Edited by Veix on 08/11/12 13:52 (GMT)
So you say we are not forced.
Conquest points- you wanna get them, you have to
1. random BG s
3. rated BG s
VP points- you wanna get them you have to
1. grind daylies
3. HC instances
You wanna spend your VP points or buy crafting patterns you have to
1. grind daylies
There is only 1 option to get them so if you wanna get it you are forced to do daylies.
And btw Dratzdal you also talking about effort, (i have to repeat myself here as some earlyer post) what is effort?
Grinding 1,5 hrs daylies = effort
Equipping tabard and gain reputation in dungeons, running it 1,5 hrs ≠ effort
Why is it this way?
Edited by Vot on 08/11/12 13:54 (GMT)
So here I am stating that players find dailies so boring, that given the choice they wouldn't do them, and all you can do is say that it is a choice. (yes buying and playing wow was a choice).
So you agree then that the dailies are so bad, that if the carrot was taken away (or even just shrunk) then no one would do them.
You then go on a rant about putting in effort to get nice things - which NO ONE has disagreed with, we just want a more interesting alternative to dalies.
Every post from the vocal minority here (see what I did there) trying to defend dailies seems to think that the majority wants easy epics etc. We don't.
The most amusing defense I have seen (several times), is "oh they don't take too long the pain is soon over" which I think sums up a lot.
I work for a living, I play wow for fun, I love a lot about wow, but not the dalies, and there is no alternative.
Ironic that you're complaining about the complainers. People are entitled to their opinions. They pay their subscrription just like you OP. If they want to complain, let them complain.
What difference does it make to you?
I think that dailies aint mandatory at all, I find most arena epics as good even for PvE.
I do however agree that making dailies the only way to gain reputation with the factions was a really bad design idea. I dislike dailies so much that id even prefere the good old ways of killing mobs gives rep since the days before dailies existed.
90 Goblin Shaman
I feel it is time I quit. I don't want to do LFR and I don't want to do dailies. What is there left for me to do then other than wait for resets?
I mean if I don't do dailies there are no points to do dungeons, or even craft since I need motes for that. Meh *shrug*
I'd love to do things that I love to do in the game, but there isn't really all that much left to do which I enjoy. Time to move on I guess. Hanging on with my nails is just getting silly at this point :)
If you like alts, you are forced to do dailys on them aswell if you want to use the Cloud serpents.
Farming to exalted on every alt is unacceptable, either make them Account wide reputations, or turn them into books for rep, 100% extra rep does not matter much if you got to do it on every alt.