So, please Blizz, make that addon work!!
29/11/2012 20:29Posted by Slickplus this promotes people to make rated bg groups once they have played and put a team together via bgs.
Hahahaha yeah rightio. All it encourages is the new wave of premade against unorganized groups. In other words, cheating.
12/12/2012 01:50Posted by ManísRly? That's what you went with? "Cheating"? Either you're out your mind, or else you just started playing the game.... Either way, the game is currently filled with bots, and right now winning a bg is about who has the least of 'em. This addon takes care of that, so sort your life out
No it doesn't. It just matches organised groups up against unorganised groups. You are circumventing group limits with an addon. That is called cheating yes. If you dont want to play with bots go do RBG's.
12/12/2012 05:02Posted by KegNo it doesn't. It just matches organised groups up against unorganised groups. You are circumventing group limits with an addon. That is called cheating yes. If you dont want to play with bots go do RBG's.
You must be new here.
Going as a group of 5 into a random BG is not circumventing any limits. Going as a group of more than 5, is, but it still isn't cheating, and is not bannable.
12/12/2012 05:17Posted by ZakkarGoing as a group of 5 into a random BG is not circumventing any limits. Going as a group of more than 5, is, but it still isn't cheating, and is not bannable.
Agreed. But if you are going in as a group of five only how does that gaurentee no bots in your team?
12/12/2012 05:17Posted by ZakkarGoing as a group of more than 5, is, but it still isn't cheating, and is not bannable.
We shall see about that. Blizzards stance is that 5 is the max. So if you are using addons to circumvent this then yes, its cheating. Im not sure how you can think any differently.
And if I am doing that without using any add-ons, like everybody else does now since Blizzard protected a certain API call?
Nah, lost cause. Premades are here to stay, sorry.
The maximum the addon allows is 5 people premade, so I see no problems there.
It's just the same as finding 4 friends, group and do a random bg.
And since blizzard allows this (and it shouldn't imho, because a 5 people premade can make a big difference everywhere, except isle or av-no premades at all should be allowed, just everyone join solo and see what happens), it's completely legit.
Now, the addon is GREAT because people like me who work or do not have friends who like to pvp can find others who don't want their liver to be ruined by running random bgs alone with strangers dressed in greens, bots and bads. Set a filter for rating, resilience, level range and you can run a custom premade for a bg, rated bg, dungeon, scenario or even raid if you wish.
Let me repeat: the maximum who can queue for a random bg since last patch is 5. No more than one group.
The only thing I don't like about it is that not many people are using it and you usually find only 2-3 premades active, especially during evenings. Weekends busier though
Edit: moreover, I don't know where you read it, but it never existed a filter by blizzard making premades battle only other premades in random bg. I know it well cause I have been farmed for years by german premades on my old realm.
The only thing OQueue does is get people from different realms in connection. If I would want to do what the addon did, but just on my realm I'd simply create 2 groups of 5 players, make sure we queue for the same jig, and at the same time. If both queues pop at the exact same time, you join, if not, you don't. All the addon does is empower the party leader with the ability to block people from entering(Not really, because the button it shows isn't the real button, it's just a slash command that will work if your leader says it should. You could still enter the normal way by right clicking on the BG queue minimap icon).
This addon is in NO way cheating or loopholing stuff, because it is blizzard their own flawed queue system that allows them to join with 2(or more) groups.
Also, I kindly request everyone to back off with the "if you want to do premades, do RBG" argument, because it is NOT the same. People use OQueue for the primary reason it was made, to avoid queueing up with bots, and to properly farm honour points. RBGs don't enable you to properly farm honour points, because you need the gear you're farming for to begin with it.
/rantover and /thread
This is fine. Using an addon to replicate it isn't.
Er no. If all you was concerned about was not running into bots thats exactly what you would do.
How can you in a five man group?
Annnnnd there it is. You are just using it to game the system and gain an unfair advantage against disorganized groups. Cheating.
13/12/2012 06:51Posted by SeriousxoxoBlizzard wants you to play with bots, after all they're precious paying customers, so they had to break oQueue.
If there was no bots there would be no oQueue. It's totally acceptable to Bot in battle grounds but totally unacceptable to join with more than 5 people unless playing rated.
It must be acceptable as nothing seems to be done about the bots, even reading their forum shows that only a small percentage get banned for 3 hours, even less for 3 days. Just show us 1 thing that blizzard are doing against the bots.... just 1!
oQueue is a great addon, but it shouldn't be a requirement to enjoy Battle Grounds with people. Sadly at the moment, it is.
Interestingly enough, Oqueue was a great way to meet up with new people and find new friends, so even if you didnt have anyone to BG with, provided you werent a particularly disagreeable person, you could have used the addon and gotten people to BG with in semi-permanent teams.
Eventually, all the real players would play together in premades, while bots would play alone (presuming Blizzard doesnt do anything about them). But it seemed that the short term goal of crying about getting spanked by a premade was given precedence over the long term goal of PvP without bots, whiners, defeatists and other people you dont wanna BG with.
Still a little sad that people rather than invest minimal effort into communicating with players around them put effort into ruining other peoples fun. =(
13/12/2012 17:26Posted by ShágonOqueue wasnt broken because Blizzard want us to play with bots. It was broken because people kept crying about premades, and how unfair it is that other people have friends on an MMO and how premades use tactics which isnt fair when Bgs are meant to be about running around headlessly...and other arguments that Blizzard decided to act on.
Yet Blizzard didn't care much when people were crying before about HK premads and preform AV enabler. Not only that, I recall they were saying it's not possible to break such addon. Yet they broke oQueue within, like, 3 days?
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