Wy are we forced to accept any half LFR?

90 Dwarf Priest
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Wy are we forced to accept any half LFR?
I have Two choices, or i queue for just 2\3 or 1\3 bosses, over and over again, never doing a full run, or i GTFO and leave waiting 30min with the deserter buff, and take my chances on another half run.
Before pach we could decided to accept a 2\3 LFR run(for VP ofc), or a full run if we need the loot<------THE LOOT(thats wy we going throu some painfull LFR experiences).

Thanks for your time.
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85 Undead Warlock
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Clear it, sign again, 99% chance of getting a fresh one the next time you sign up.
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90 Tauren Druid
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09/12/2012 21:18Posted by Rudette
Clear it, sign again, 99% chance of getting a fresh one the next time you sign up.


because this is your preferenced option when you need certain bosses for for your MS and others for your OS, or when you just want to do a full run and skip all the bad-group/multiple queu nonsense.

theres some valid reasons why people want the bosses defeated counter back
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100 Blood Elf Death Knight
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09/12/2012 22:16Posted by Itsthatdude
theres some valid reasons why people want the bosses defeated counter back

There are also some valid reasons as to why it shouldn't come back, like a large amount of players preventing a LFR group to finish the instance. This could mean that the amount of players leaving the LFR were equal to the amount entering it, thus keeping it at a constant state where it would never finish or just fall apart.

We had the option to see how far a LFR group was, yet it created more problems with setting up LFR groups than benefits.
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90 Night Elf Druid
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09/12/2012 22:16Posted by Itsthatdude
Clear it, sign again, 99% chance of getting a fresh one the next time you sign up.


because this is your preferenced option when you need certain bosses for for your MS and others for your OS, or when you just want to do a full run and skip all the bad-group/multiple queu nonsense.

theres some valid reasons why people want the bosses defeated counter back


Just sign up as dps and spec tank/healer (or sign as healer and spec tank) on the boss you want the respective loot of. Raids will hardly ever wipe because of lack of dps and an emergency tank/healer can help.
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90 Pandaren Priest
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09/12/2012 22:16Posted by Itsthatdude
Clear it, sign again, 99% chance of getting a fresh one the next time you sign up.


because this is your preferenced option when you need certain bosses for for your MS and others for your OS, or when you just want to do a full run and skip all the bad-group/multiple queu nonsense.

theres some valid reasons why people want the bosses defeated counter back


You are exactly the reason why they changed this.
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55 Orc Shaman
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10/12/2012 07:53Posted by Forlin
You are exactly the reason why they changed this.


"oh no someone decided they didn't want to chaperone the mouth-breathing astounding idiots, we better penalise them for valuing their own time."

Your logic, and apparently Blizzard's too.
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100 Blood Elf Death Knight
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10/12/2012 15:42Posted by Frakka
Your logic, and apparently Blizzard's too.

My problem with peoples logic is the following:

Player wants gear for spec A from boss 1 and 3, and gear for spec B from boss 2.
Player leaves after each boss kill and uses the x/3 progress meter to get into raids that are at the boss he needs.

Too many players does that, and Blizzard removes the x/3 progress meter to smooth out LFR.
Player gets on the forum and complains about the lack of a x/3 progress meter.

Where logic goes out the window, in my opinion, is people want gear for different specs from different bosses in the same LFR. Yet they don't see it as suboptimal that they have to leave a raid and requeue, but god forbid they remove the x/3 progress meter, because then rather than clicking endlessly on the Cancel button if the run isn't at the progress they want, they now have to kill the same stuff they already killed before.
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"oh no someone decided they didn't want to chaperone the mouth-breathing astounding idiots, we better penalise them for valuing their own time."

Your logic, and apparently Blizzard's too.


One of the reasons why the counter was removed was to reduce the amount of players fishing for a fresh instance. It was something that was becoming an issue for all the players that were stuck in on-going groups waiting for new players to join.

When those groups were waiting at, say 2/3, the queue would start looking for new replacements, those replacements would see the queue and decided to skip it in favor of a fresh instance, creating and endless loop for the guys inside the instance where more people would leave as they grew impatient, making it harder to complete the run.

As it is right now, if you enter an on-going run, you're pretty much guaranteed a fresh instance on your next visit. In addition, the developers are considering adding a buff that players in LFR might receive if they wipe on a boss that would boost their stats, which they also hope it might help those impatient players that will leave their current LFR run after a wipe.
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90 Orc Death Knight
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You are exactly the reason why they changed this.


"oh no someone decided they didn't want to chaperone the mouth-breathing astounding idiots, we better penalise them for valuing their own time."

Your logic, and apparently Blizzard's too.


If you get a group that's 2/3, kill the last boss and leave, re-queue and get a fresh run and do the first 2 bosses then leave, it's quicker than staying in a queue seeing it pop with only one boss left then sitting in the queue again hoping to get a fresh run...
Edited by Crunix on 10/12/2012 16:34 GMT
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100 Blood Elf Death Knight
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10/12/2012 16:22Posted by Draztal
As it is right now, if you enter an on-going run, you're pretty much guaranteed a fresh instance on your next visit.

The sad part is, this was explained in the 4.3 patch notes as well (which are over a year old) and in other blue posts.
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100 Human Paladin
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because this is your preferenced option when you need certain bosses for for your MS and others for your OS, or when you just want to do a full run and skip all the bad-group/multiple queu nonsense.

theres some valid reasons why people want the bosses defeated counter back


Just sign up as dps and spec tank/healer (or sign as healer and spec tank) on the boss you want the respective loot of. Raids will hardly ever wipe because of lack of dps and an emergency tank/healer can help.


Oh people will be reall happy when their mt on sha lfr suddenly goes dps, i want the counter back. I don`t care in which order i do other 4 in but i don`t wanna get punished for leaving at 4th boss TOES then re q as dps just to get whole fresh runs again.... Like i had last week 10 times in a row fresh fresh fresh fresh weird it thought i killed 3/4!
Edited by Lightgoddes on 11/12/2012 16:19 GMT
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23 Night Elf Druid
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This seems to perpetuate the 2/3 issue. If you're forced into the 2/3 one, and you re-queue to do the 1st two, why would you stay for the last boss knowing that you won't get loot? It just seems like this will perpetuate the large numbers of 2/3 raids going on.
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90 Night Elf Priest
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10/12/2012 16:53Posted by Jaxon
This seems to perpetuate the 2/3 issue. If you're forced into the 2/3 one, and you re-queue to do the 1st two, why would you stay for the last boss knowing that you won't get loot? It just seems like this will perpetuate the large numbers of 2/3 raids going on.


Doing that boss will give you valor without doing dailies and could use your elder charm for more loot.
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81 Troll Shaman
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10/12/2012 16:22Posted by Draztal
the developers are considering adding a buff that players in LFR might receive if they wipe on a boss that would boost their stats, which they also hope it might help those impatient players that will leave their current LFR run after a wipe.


this is pretty much the best thing you could have ever done to sort the issue. do this, and bring the counter back instead :)
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81 Troll Shaman
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Doing that boss will give you valor without doing dailies and could use your elder charm for more loot.


only if you havent used a charm on your first run tho. so using the charm as an argument isnt really valid.
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90 Pandaren Monk
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10/12/2012 16:22Posted by Draztal
As it is right now, if you enter an on-going run, you're pretty much guaranteed a fresh instance on your next visit. In addition, the developers are considering adding a buff that players in LFR might receive if they wipe on a boss that would boost their stats, which they also hope it might help those impatient players that will leave their current LFR run after a wipe.

May want to consider a bit better communication on this part, since almost nobody that doesn't visit wow forums knows about it it seems. Same with typing /loot or clicking on the world loot in dungeons to make loot window pop up if you want.
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90 Orc Warrior
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10/12/2012 16:22Posted by Draztal
In addition, the developers are considering adding a buff that players in LFR might receive if they wipe on a boss that would boost their stats, which they also hope it might help those impatient players that will leave their current LFR run after a wipe.


Please dont, it would turn LFR into an even bigger grind. For some people this is the only raiding they do, i dont want the bosses to be nearly impossible to fail.
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100 Blood Elf Death Knight
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10/12/2012 17:12Posted by Yulanda
this is pretty much the best thing you could have ever done to sort the issue. do this, and bring the counter back instead :)

That solution only encourages people to stay. As mentioned above, needing loot for another spec or just not needing anymore loot were other reasons people would leave.
The issue seemed to be the amount of people willing to join a run already in progress, so a buff to increase player stats wouldn't solve that issue.

Also, the boss associated mostly with wiping is Garalon. And this was due to too many people standing in the purple circle, which they still do today. How many wipes would it take before a player can take a 800k hit and still survive, and we aren't just talking about one of those.

10/12/2012 17:22Posted by Spamfu
May want to consider a bit better communication on this part, since almost nobody that doesn't visit wow forums knows about it it seems.

It was in the patch notes. But a lot of misinformation seems have spread around the issue. But Blizzard might want to keep an eye on that kind of thing, or tools not being used enough, and update the Tip on the loading screen more frequently. Thats really the only place that make things more visible than patch notes.
Edited by Elathin on 10/12/2012 17:33 GMT
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90 Night Elf Death Knight
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10/12/2012 16:47Posted by Elathin
As it is right now, if you enter an on-going run, you're pretty much guaranteed a fresh instance on your next visit.

The sad part is, this was explained in the 4.3 patch notes as well (which are over a year old) and in other blue posts.


Of course it was said and it was repeated 1000000000s of times by players too. But if people are stubborn and ... stubborn ... they refuse to listen and act out and now they complain. It has some down sides not to see your bosses up, but I personally think there's more good than bad on the change.
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