Why MoP ruined the game for casual players

90 Blood Elf Paladin
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They're mandatory for players that want to experience the story but in terms of gear progression they're not, might speed it up a little but not required.
90 Pandaren Hunter
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I'm going into 6th form later this year, I won't have time for "dailies" :/
90 Draenei Paladin
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I agree with Jethrow, on the daily's issue. I find them suffocating even more so if your a new 90 player and start doing them all, i would prefer that the dailys that reward gear to be weekly's like the LFR and give the weekly amount of reputation, and if missed at least half of the amount of the reputation next times you would do them , sort of "rested xp",and the other types of reputation that reward bonuses , mounts and pets to let them as dailys, since everyone wants and needs gear, even a non raider still needs gear to have fun in WoW. from a casual perspective the loot system in LFR i find it really frustrating , i had more fun during Dragon Soul LFR's with all the ninja's since i could gear my characters much faster then with the current loot system, at least to be given another option then the sack of gold that is in place now , something like a reputation token that can be traded at your faction of choosing with some reputation with them this way would get you faster towards your gear from them- for those that still do need to rise their reputation .I do like MoP and the quests that it has bt daily's well they are my kryptonite,..at least it should be made more small not so many q's per hub and with same amount of reputation, so we have time even those that don't have much to spare,..for other things in WoW. Even with the reputation token that increases the reputation gain for the alts i don't find it to helpful looks more like patching then fixing the problem.I'm eager to see in what way the daily's will change with the new -if i got it right- reputation server wide gain with the new faction in 5.2.
Edited by Eludiu on 14/01/2013 17:16 GMT
85 Tauren Druid
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@OP - Dalies, nor any other content in the game is "required". You do what you want to do, Blizzard have tried to make the game appeal to a wide variety of players and play-styles. Unfortunately this isn't a black and white process, players asked for more dalies and quest oriented content, Blizzard did what they thought would appeal while also making the content worthwhile and not a boring grindfest.

There is a lot of things for players of all walks of life to do, if you have so little time for WoW then you can't possibly raid (competitively) and for that reason I ask why do you need gear? You talk about progression but what progression is there in casual play? You want to progress through the quest lines maybe? There's no time-limit on that.

PvP is the same situation, you HAVE to commit if you want gladiator, but you obviously aren't talking about that since dalies have little to do with PvP, unless you count the clashes you sometimes have while doing dalies with the opposite faction.
1 Tauren Druid
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13/01/2013 20:32Posted by Ashley
I do 20-40 minutes of dailys per day.


They don't even take that long. Most of the times you can grp up with people and do them in around 10 mins.

This pretty much.

I''ve generally always done dailies on my own, but the times I did them in a group it took me only like 5-10 mines per quest hub.
90 Human Paladin
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I personally think this whole game is ruined. I was in a top-end raiding guild, was going fine n stuff, but i mean, doing all of these dailies all the time is just so boring it's ridiculous, it's like blizzard wanted to make stuff to do, but failed and made it way too boring.
90 Blood Elf Priest
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14/01/2013 17:27Posted by Mephismo
Wonders if the OP is an Art teacher.


I wonder why that's even relevant.
90 Troll Mage
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Dailies, ESPECIALLY as a casual, are in no way required...
90 Worgen Mage
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bad
90 Human Paladin
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I actually do one faction at a time. okay so i'm exalted or nearly there with a few but i got the rep i need after dinging 90. point is i'm trying to make theres an option. stop trying to do so much ??

the game caters for the "casuals" which i'd use loosely. i mean what is casual i could aregue i'm casual i work 6:45-4 every day. gears not hard to get. crafting,AH, and ofc dailys.

if your grinding for those charms to use for gear...... i'll tell you right now. its a pure based luck you get anything with them. 45 dailys a week to get 3 coins to lets face it get nothing is at best a kick in anyones teeth.

Oh well back to grinding those damned charms....
90 Orc Shaman
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I agree. Its rather casual freindly. And you do by no means NEED to to the dailys.
90 Draenei Priest
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You'll find that Blizzard will tell you that you aren't FORCED to do those dailies, obviously completely missing the point. No, you're not FORCED to do the dailies. You're also not FORCED to play WoW. But if you play WoW, quite often, you want to do the best you can in it. Whether your best is heroic raids or heroic 5mans is irrelevant. If you want to be the best you can in those, you HAVE to do dailies. No one forces you to, but to optimise yourself, you have to.

Basically, Blizzard is letting a copout argument stop them from addressing an issue in the game, namely the mountainous pile of dailies that is 90 content.
39 Undead Rogue
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13/01/2013 20:25Posted by Jethrow
You want gear?


LFR. Scenarios. Heroics.

13/01/2013 20:25Posted by Jethrow
You want quests?


Leveling like it has always been with quests, this is the first expansion where there has been a wealth of quests at end game.

13/01/2013 20:25Posted by Jethrow
You want end-game content without raiding eight days a week?


LFR and everything else other than dailies. I.e. PvP, Achievements, soling old raids, making gold, leveling professions, pet battles and more.

I work a 9 to 5, this does not include travel, cooking, socialising etc... I am a casual player, this game has not been ruined for me.
90 Blood Elf Priest
14230
It's not mandatory in any way to do dailies, that's just a bunch of bull.
It's just a bonus if you want to obtain gear faster.
The problem is that players want the rewards for being exalted (usualy a mount).
Let's compare the faction mount rewards in MoP to Cataclysm:

  • Cataclysm- 7 factions and 3 obtainable mounts
  • Mists of Pandaria- 11 factions and 19 obtainable mounts


  • This is all a part of the developers master plan to get players stay and get addicted to the game.
    Fixing balance in pvp or making it easier doing dailies for players in anyway does not benefit the company (to a certain limit) and nothing will ever change that.
    Edited by Affinitti on 14/01/2013 18:42 GMT
    13/01/2013 20:25Posted by Jethrow
    You want gear? Do dailies. You want quests? Dailies. You want end-game content without raiding eight days a week? Dailies, dailies, dailies.


    You want gear?
    Do heroics, Raid Finder, Scenarios, upgrade items, PVP (for PVP gear, of course)

    You want quests?
    Do the quests you haven't finished while leveling through Pandaria. Or yes, do dailies (let's not forget it's "daily quests").

    End-game content without raiding:
    Pet battles, Scenarios, Heroics, Challenge Dungeons, PVP.

    And in any case, casual players can still play the game just as always, at their own pace. There's no requirement for you to have everything at a particular pace (especially if you aren't really on the raiding competition).
    I dont know if it ruined the game for a lot of casual gamers, as i only know the casual gamers i meet ingame.

    I know that the game itself became much more time consuming as like this was the case in all former expansions expect classic itself. You need way longer to farm vp, you need longer to farm rep, you need longer to gear up in general.

    Today, VP-Gear gets completely gated thru Daily quests, which means, that the only way to work for gear is being built onto daily questing.

    Today, Reputation is capped per day by the maximum amount of daily quests to be done.

    The complete progression had been slowed down, in all means.

    Daily questing is tedious for me, even more, if i just dinged 90 with a character. I quested up to 90, and now i need to continue to quest even more, if i ever want to be able to work for gear, there is no real feeling of progressing my character anymore once the level cap is being reached.

    About dailies being mandatory or not: I dont think that it is a valid argument against a wish to change the daily questing to be less important, as every part of the game is just not mandatory to play the game. The game itself even isnt mandatory. So its just a fallacy to reject a wish for a change to daily questing, if people want all parts of the game to be fun.

    Daily quests are not mandatory. So no need to change it.
    Raiding is not mandatory, so no need to change it.
    Dungeons are not mandatory, so no need to change it.

    You probably see the fallacy about that argument?

    Questing is a controversial thing. Some hate it, some love it. I personally love questing, as long the repetition level is low.

    Also, they would be not tedious, if there would be others ways to work for gear. LFR and dungeons only offer rng, utilizing reputation is the only way to work for guaranteed gear.

    If there would be options as like gaining capped rep from dungeons, scenarios, lfr and quests, it would feel much less mandatory to do daily quests.

    I am an alt-player. Someone who likes to play different classes. I think that its not a real accomplishment if you have to remove gating vp gear by every single char you play. That should be a account level accomplishment.
    39 Undead Rogue
    7410
    You want gear? Do dailies. You want quests? Dailies. You want end-game content without raiding eight days a week? Dailies, dailies, dailies.


    You want gear?
    Do heroics, Raid Finder, Scenarios, upgrade items, PVP (for PVP gear, of course)

    You want quests?
    Do the quests you haven't finished while leveling through Pandaria. Or yes, do dailies (let's not forget it's "daily quests").

    End-game content without raiding:
    Pet battles, Scenarios, Heroics, Challenge Dungeons, PVP.

    And in any case, casual players can still play the game just as always, at their own pace. There's no requirement for you to have everything at a particular pace (especially if you aren't really on the raiding competition).


    Are you just repeating what I said? :P

    ( I suppose I could just say expanding on it, but still........ :P)
    Edited by Corripio on 14/01/2013 18:45 GMT

    You want gear?
    Do heroics, Raid Finder, Scenarios, upgrade items, PVP (for PVP gear, of course)


    What should i do if i was a complete unlucky, and i would get no drop at all from 7 weeks of lfr?

    Tell me, how may i work for gear if i would like to avoid dailies?


    And in any case, casual players can still play the game just as always, at their own pace. There's no requirement for you to have everything at a particular pace (especially if you aren't really on the raiding competition).


    Only if you want to work for gear. You got no way except.. dailies.
    90 Orc Death Knight
    11540
    It only ruined the game for casuals who expect to speed through the content, do a faction of dailies at a time, with the double rep after revered it's not that time consuming.
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