The new Reborn blacksmithing weapons with 502 iLvL

90 Draenei Paladin
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The 30 days it takes to make one 502 weapon is... disappointing. In that 30 days period you get to run lfr for 4 weeks, and it only takes a one day per week, as for the weapon blacksmiths make you must log in every single day. Of course there is the fact that it negates the bad luck on rng, but still it it's not a satisfying feeling you get for one week of actively creating this weapon. If there is the fact that it could be too powerful to exist as BoE 522 I'd suggest making a special 522 version for blacksmiths only. It could require a small amount of materials, I wouldn't mind that, if the end result would be worth it. Since there is the possible thunderforged bonus on the raid drops, this blacksmiths only version would make the weapons more desirable for blacksmiths, but not too powerful overall.

There is still the fact that they are Reborn, and mostly meant for transmog and thus I guess there won't be complaints from those who look for these new weapon for their design. But as it is, blacksmiths have had this one problem for a while: all weapons we can create are in some way inferior to the ones anyone can get their hands on fairly easy. The 463 weapons we learned to make were the exact same that could be gained from 5-man heroic dungeons. And don't even start on earlier expansion. Cataclysm was not good for us either on weapon part.

Is there anyone who shares this opinion with me, that the 30 days required to make one weapon of same quality as lfr drops is too much asked from blacksmiths that do not benefit from their profession that much. The 522 armors are nice, but mostly you require help from your guild or a friendly enchanter to gather the Haunting Spirits to make one piece of armor, which makes them not really that viable option for anyone not part of active raiding guild (or as said earlier, a friendly enchanter that disenchants all her unwanted loot and gives you the outcome).
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90 Gnome Warrior
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502 ilvl crafted is very nice for starting alts assuming you can make these yourself else you be paying alot on AH.
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90 Pandaren Monk
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A blacksmith-only version would be welcome.

There was a similar thread on the general forum a while ago.
http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/7211571156
If you don't mind I would like to repaste my post from that thread since this is the profession forum after all. My reply there was this:
These weapons are ridiculous for a number of reasons.

The first being that they are BoE instead of BoA. This makes them useless for your alts that understandably want to use them in all the three stages of crafting. From this follows that only blacksmiths themselves can put these weapons to good use at all times.

The second reason, is that there is only agility on Thunder. Instead, teaching blacksmiths two Thunders, one with strength the other agility, would have been much better. It boggles my mind that apparently blizzard 'forgot' that Stormherald was beloved by many paladins and warriors during Burning Crusade. Effectively blizzard reduced a potentially useful and fun item to an only-transmogrification-purpose weapon for two classes.

I'm perfectly fine with the cost and the time it takes to make them, but this again shows how alt-unfriendly MoP really is.
Edited by Sweetcreek on 13/04/2013 14:06 BST
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90 Gnome Warrior
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What i do dislike is no caster weapon (mage/lock) :(
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90 Pandaren Monk
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What i do dislike is no caster weapon (mage/lock) :(

That's what the inscription staves are for. However, blizzard should update them to be in tune with ToT gear.
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75 Human Warlock
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lol you kidding? why skould there add BOP/BOA items to BS when allmost no prof have any boa/bop items to make BS is allrdy the best prof for stats in extra sox you can pick whats stats you want
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90 Gnome Warrior
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lol you kidding? why skould there add BOP/BOA items to BS when allmost no prof have any boa/bop items to make BS is allrdy the best prof for stats in extra sox you can pick whats stats you want


Did you even read? and these weapons are boe wth whould we ask for them to be bop?
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90 Pandaren Monk
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13/04/2013 22:15Posted by Turtleshell
lol you kidding? why skould there add BOP/BOA items to BS when allmost no prof have any boa/bop items to make BS is allrdy the best prof for stats in extra sox you can pick whats stats you want


Did you even read? and these weapons are boe wth whould we ask for them to be bop?

The thread starter asked for a BoP weapon for blacksmiths i.e. ilevel 522. I on the other hand suggested a change for the weapons to be BoA i.e. the ilevel 463, 476 and 502 versions.

As for Polsemix's question I would respond with this. It's true that almost no professions have BoA items, but then again this question should have been asked before Inscription got the BoA staves. By now it's water under the bridge to complain about that. It wouldn't hurt anyone to make blacksmithing less lacklustre while at the same time make this expansion more fun for our alts.

In fact I have another complaint about these weapons. If you want the Stormherald transmogrification on three different alts i.e. warrior, paladin and death knight, it would take three months to achieve just this goal. I find this rather excessive.
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90 Draenei Paladin
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My idea for 522 version for blacksmiths only was fueled by my old memory of weaponsmithing speciality from tbc times. I was a bit bitter at the time they removed blacksmith specialisations from the game, but didn't really care enough to raise a fuss about it. What I was thinking that it would be nice to give blacksmiths again something.

And as Sweetcreek have said with quite a lot of good points, this doesn't really bode well for those wishing to use Reborn weapons as transmog for multiple characters. The BoA would work well with that, but I don't know what kind of mechanism there should be so that they could be BoA after you have equipped it first time. If they were BoA, you would have to have a blacksmith of your own. Maybe they will one day create a mechanism for that also, only time will tell.
Edited by Berwyn on 13/04/2013 23:55 BST
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75 Human Warlock
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13/04/2013 22:42Posted by Sweetcreek


Did you even read? and these weapons are boe wth whould we ask for them to be bop?

The thread starter asked for a BoP weapon for blacksmiths i.e. ilevel 522. I on the other hand suggested a change for the weapons to be BoA i.e. the ilevel 463, 476 and 502 versions.

As for Polsemix's question I would respond with this. It's true that almost no professions have BoA items, but then again this question should have been asked before Inscription got the BoA staves. By now it's water under the bridge to complain about that. It wouldn't hurt anyone to make blacksmithing less lacklustre while at the same time make this expansion more fun for our alts.

In fact I have another complaint about these weapons. If you want the Stormherald transmogrification on three different alts i.e. warrior, paladin and death knight, it would take three months to achieve just this goal. I find this rather excessive.


the problem with boa/bop item is that enchanting got noting to offer anymore becouse there lost there uniq thing like ring enc becouse each1 else got bonus now so if there start makeing boa/bop item then enchanting.

enchanting will be so bad prof so nobody will pick it becouse all the prof will be better then that

since TBC enc have been the worst prof becouse there have been BOP items from LW/tail/BS items
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29 Gnome Warlock
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The basic problem with WoW Crafting especially as the focus of the game shifted more and more to cover that niche playstyle is that the PvE players with the greatest access to the mats to make high end PvE crafted gear (higher end raiders) are also the ones with the least use for it. I'm sure they do make them for their alts but their mains likely have better. So those who could really use items are left either farming gold or going without.

In other words, they are BoE so you can panhandle them to those with less time and/or inclination to get the stronger stuff, and the stronger stuff should be gotten by doing Raid content, not Breadmaking per se.

At least that is the opinion of the makers of the game it seems.
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90 Draenei Paladin
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Edited by Yqap on 18/05/2013 05:35 BST
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90 Pandaren Warrior
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14/04/2013 11:58Posted by Yqap
People who don't raid are stopped profession wise.

I totally agree on this, and this isn't something that Blizzard should have problems fixing.

The only thing Blizzard needs to do is to let Haunted Spirits also be craftable, albeit at a staggering cost. The cost needs to be high enough so that raiding for them is still the "cheapest" way to get them, but at least the crafters will have an alternate method of aquisition.

Maybe I'm wrong though, I haven't checked to see if you can buy these for Valor. But if not, then maybe that can be a solution to it. 1x Haunted Spirit = 800 valor or something. But tbh, I'd rather support their craftability because people will want to use Valor elsewhere.
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29 Gnome Warlock
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14/04/2013 20:14Posted by Yasmat
People who don't raid are stopped profession wise.

I totally agree on this, and this isn't something that Blizzard should have problems fixing.

The only thing Blizzard needs to do is to let Haunted Spirits also be craftable, albeit at a staggering cost. The cost needs to be high enough so that raiding for them is still the "cheapest" way to get them, but at least the crafters will have an alternate method of aquisition.

Maybe I'm wrong though, I haven't checked to see if you can buy these for Valor. But if not, then maybe that can be a solution to it. 1x Haunted Spirit = 800 valor or something. But tbh, I'd rather support their craftability because people will want to use Valor elsewhere.


Not surprisingly, I agree as well, but while I do support that there should be more ways to acquire ingredients (again) than by Raiding, I have my doubts this will happen because of 'political' reasons.
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90 Worgen Warrior
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Quick question.

I notice that the reborn epic items are unique-equip.

Does that mean you can dual wield 502 craftables as long as they are different weapon types?

Would we also be able to dual wield say 2h crafted axes, as long as one was the 502 and one was the level below?

Just curious really.

Jefferies.
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90 Pandaren Monk
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18/04/2013 17:39Posted by Jefferies
Does that mean you can dual wield 502 craftables as long as they are different weapon types?

That would seem to be the case logically speaking.

Would we also be able to dual wield say 2h crafted axes, as long as one was the 502 and one was the level below?

In Burning Crusade this problem existed as well resulting in many warriors using Stormherald (tier 3) in the main hand and Deep Thunder (tier 2) in the offhand. See for proof my warrior's profile: http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/character/vashj/Caladan/advanced
I don't see why this would be any different right now.
Edited by Sweetcreek on 18/04/2013 22:05 BST
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90 Worgen Warrior
7915
Great.

Thanks for the detailed reply.

I shall continue on my forging quest!
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90 Blood Elf Rogue
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18/04/2013 21:58Posted by Sweetcreek
Does that mean you can dual wield 502 craftables as long as they are different weapon types?

That would seem to be the case logically speaking.

Would we also be able to dual wield say 2h crafted axes, as long as one was the 502 and one was the level below?

In Burning Crusade this problem existed as well resulting in many warriors using Stormherald (tier 3) in the main hand and Deep Thunder (tier 2) in the offhand. See for proof my warrior's profile: http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/character/vashj/Caladan/advanced
I don't see why this would be any different right now.


TG didn't even exist in TBC (unless you want to count the WotLK patch).
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90 Pandaren Monk
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TG didn't even exist in TBC (unless you want to count the WotLK patch).

Duh. Obviously it existed long enough for me and many others to dualwield tier 3/tier 2 weapons. Nice job missing the point of my post though.
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