Heroic Scenarios... and their reward

20 Tauren Warrior
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There is no heroic version of theramore yet.
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Remember that you only get the Heroic Cache of Treasures from the first scenario you do in a day (and only if it's a HC scenario. so if you do a normal scenario first you won't get one at all). The rest of the time you just get Greater Cache of Treasures.
This has actually been changed today and the hotfix should already be live.

You should be able to get both of these rewards now, as long as you complete one heroic and at least one normal scenario once per day.
You shouldn't have to worry about doing a heroic scenario before you do a normal one, the order doesn't matter anymore.
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100 Worgen Druid
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31/05/2013 15:14Posted by Taepsilum
Having said that, there are measures we can take to at least provide a bit of protection against extreme streaks of bad luck if we think that they are necessary.


So if you haven't gotten any loot at all in about 5 weeks, in TOT, or on your extra rolls you'll get some? Because I just went through 5 weeks of getting nothing, but gold.

Until last week. I guess that's when the "protection against extreme streaks" and it will give you loot, but you get loot you already have... and you gotta wait a couple of extra weeks again for any slight chance of loot.

And the fact you can get other things than gold in the bags - that's a myth!
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100 Pandaren Hunter
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i have really enjoyed the ones that i have done, loved the boat one, great fun

loot is meh so i do not bother that much
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Doesn't even feel like a heroic, I'm soloing HC scenarios as an ilvl 503 mm hunter..


You mean your 503 druid?
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@Monsterbaby
I’m not sure if you’re asking if bad luck streak protection carries on to scenarios, but just to make it clear, I didn't say we had it activated for scenarios, I said that if we see that it's necessary in the future, we can do it, the functionality exists.

As far as I know, at the moment we only have protection against streaks of bad luck on bonus rolls, quest drops, and Battle-Stones from pet supplies bags and wild battles.
We also have a system based on the same concept for protecting players from streaks of bad luck on procs of certain RPPM trinkets from ToT.
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100 Human Warlock
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have you considered increasing the reward for reaching the bonus timer? maybe adding the satchel from cta?
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90 Night Elf Hunter
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@Monsterbaby
I’m not sure if you’re asking if bad luck streak protection carries on to scenarios, but just to make it clear, I didn't say we had it activated for scenarios, I said that if we see that it's necessary in the future, we can do it, the functionality exists.


This would be great.

Also you might consider to put some more stuff into the heroic chest, nothing serious, similar to the chests you get for normal scenarios.
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90 Night Elf Druid
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This has actually been changed today and the hotfix should already be live.

You should be able to get both of these rewards now, as long as you complete one heroic and at least one normal scenario once per day.
You shouldn't have to worry about doing a heroic scenario before you do a normal one, the order doesn't matter anymore.


Awesome, thanks for the update, :)

I got some 516 shoulders in the cache the other day...unfortunately I had my loot specialisation set to the wrong spec. /facepalm
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100 Undead Warlock
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I understand that only seeing some gold at the end of a run can feel a bit… “[url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=LCcZqcPOlNM"]meh![/url]”


I think it's not just only seeing gold, but that the gold is worse than what you can expect from a normal scenario - might want to just put some other items in there like a feast / flask / blue to vendor, so at least you feel like you got something out of it.

That said, Heroic Scenarios are insane when it comes to VP capping, so I'm not sure how much more of an incentive needs to be there - last patch I was capping VP on a monday, since heroic scenarios were added I can "accidentally" cap on a Wed.
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90 Blood Elf Death Knight
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it’s useful for us to know that some players are finding heroic scenarios interesting and challenging but not rewarding


They NOT challengeing in the least - abilities almost all interuptable. Interupt and beat down = rinse and repeat. Just cause they have high HP's and take abit longer to down, dont make them challangeing. It's only diffuclut if dont know how to interupt.

There are even achievements now there for actually interupting, its a joke. a fresh dinged 90 could do it, easily.

and ya, i have won some items, but it the rewards seem fitting to me.
Edited by Thyphoidjim on 05/06/2013 18:15 BST
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90 Pandaren Shaman
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Have been trying to gear up for my off-spec resto for a week or two now. I've done about 4/5 heroic scenarios, and i respecced to resto before opening the heroic cache, not one have i got an item from them yet. And after dying 7 times in Dark Heart of Pandaria on the last boss, it doesn't feel very rewarding when i get 14 gold, which doesn't even pay the massive repair bills.
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100 Undead Warlock
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Have been trying to gear up for my off-spec resto for a week or two now. I've done about 4/5 heroic scenarios, and i respecced to resto before opening the heroic cache, not one have i got an item from them yet. And after dying 7 times in Dark Heart of Pandaria on the last boss, it doesn't feel very rewarding when i get 14 gold, which doesn't even pay the massive repair bills.


Not really related to the topic as a whole, but some things that might help you,

a) You can now select your loot specialisation by right clicking on your portrait, this'll let you get resto items from LFR / Scenarios etc while playing as a tank / dps.

b) The last boss on Dark Heart of Pandaria has 4 glowing pools in a square around the boss spawn, these can be used to heal you (green) or reset your classes major CDs (blueish white).

Might help you a tad.
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40 Pandaren Monk
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Got in the first run 1 Epic item a belt was very happy wanted to upgrade it and then i saw that the it will upgrde only 4 ilvl and 13 armor :(
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90 Pandaren Shaman
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Not really related to the topic as a whole, but some things that might help you,

a) You can now select your loot specialisation by right clicking on your portrait, this'll let you get resto items from LFR / Scenarios etc while playing as a tank / dps.

b) The last boss on Dark Heart of Pandaria has 4 glowing pools in a square around the boss spawn, these can be used to heal you (green) or reset your classes major CDs (blueish white).

Might help you a tad.


Thanks, I had no idea about point a at all :)!

We had to go through a few wipes before we figured out how the boss mechanic works and how to use it to its full potential haha :)
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90 Undead Priest
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What really bothers me about Heroic Scenarios is not that there's a low chance to get loot from the boxes (I don't mind that at all, the loot is VERY good, it should feel rewarding when you get it) - but rather that the bonus and the standard reward are flipped.

Heroic Scenarios are not hard with a healer. It was never even the intent (Blizzard said themselves that it'd be easy that way). However, while doing them with three DPS does increase the difficulty notably, it does NOT increase the reward.

I had expected Heroic Scenarios to be a good way to get Valor Points for the average player, but a decent way to gear up (the heroic caches, once per day) for the bonus reward. Instead, managing to overcome the intended difficulty nets you with an additional 30 Valor Points. Woohoo (you get 120 Valor Points and a chance for an ilvl 516 item as the base reward).

Wouldn't it make more sense for it to be the other way around? Or even 120 Valor Points as the base reward, 30 Valor Points and the cache as the bonus? I don't know, it just doesn't make sense to me.

TL;DR: Make it more rewarding to do 3x DPS!
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90 Dwarf Shaman
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Make Heroic Deeds a weekly quest first off, so you can atleast get something every week.

Make the timer reward an additional Heroic box perhaps + in addition to the 30 valor, 30 valor does not justify the means of beating the timers at all.

Or simply up the chance to get something from the daily heroic box. Just went on 8 day streak, ended up with a back today, which i already got 522, still sitting with 502/498 weapons (this is my offspecc but its the only way to gear it atm).
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Doesn't even feel like a heroic, I'm soloing HC scenarios as an ilvl 503 mm hunter..


of course you are, you're a hunter it's basically tank,dps,heal combo with your pet and mend pet.
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100 Orc Warrior
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I would love to do HC scenarios as I can play only with my friends, but as said by others, I also don't find the rewards even close to good enough. Sure you get more powerful gear than the current LFR, but the gear you get is just stronger versions of gear already in the game.

I wish they made some more unique armor sets for HC scenarios.
In HC dungeons a certain set of gear with a certain set of looks drop, and in LFR and raids you get unique armor set pieces and by doing PvP you get pvp specific armors.
But HC scenarios only rewards stronger pieces of armor that shares the same look as those from normal HC dungeons. This is just not interesting loot to me, as I personally don't care about stats, but about cool looking gear, if there is no cool looking gear (which is the deal with the next raid, so that wont keep me subbed long) there is no incentive to do the content more than one time.
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87 Night Elf Warrior
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Most of the reward I find comes from just being with friends in challenging content, and developing more teamwork and cooperation skills like never before in WoW. I think loot should be better, but I'm certain loot should be increased as these scenarios get harder. In the end if it's not fun you're after and just goldzerging and Valorleeching you've got no reason to do them, much like Brawler's Guild. I suppose with HCS' though you don't need to throw several hundred/thousand gold at it to enter.


Really? Challenging content? Aww c'mon, a couple of them are mild fun first time I'll grant after that well for some classes they can be soloed. But the worst thing is trying to get a group if you don't happen to have in game 'friends'. At that point you come across the group spam with remarks like 'don't bother whispering if you are below 500 ilvl' and such.
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