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Always cool to see that Kill shot hits retards in Relentless gear sitting at about 900 resi for 1.6k and crit for like 4k.
Whats that? Instant cast Frostfire bolt on 1.2k+ resi critting for over 6k? Yeah that's fine.

So I'm deep freezed:

Oumi is afflicted by Magiclol-Shattered Hand's Deep Freeze.
Magiclol-Shattered Hand's Frost Nova dissipates from Oumi.
Oumi gains Crabtastic's Master's Call.
Magiclol-Shattered Hand's Ice Lance hits Oumi for 6502 Frost.(Critical)
Magiclol-Shattered Hand's Ice Lance hits Oumi for 6614 Frost.(Critical)
Oumi gains Crabtastic's Roar of Sacrifice.
Magiclol-Shattered Hand's Ice Lance hits Oumi for 2657 Frost.(664 Absorbed)
Magiclol-Shattered Hand's Ice Lance hits Oumi for 2592 Frost.(648 Absorbed)
Magiclol-Shattered Hand's Ice Lance hits Oumi for 2617 Frost.(654 Absorbed)
Magiclol-Shattered Hand's Deep Freeze dissipates from Oumi.

So if trinket is down and I don't use RoS with my 1.2k+ resi, I'd probably have taken 5 crits instead of 2. And yet we see nothing being done about Frost in patch notes. Cool stuff right here.

Kill Shot deals less damage than Chimera Shot.
Frost Mages are a joke and you can try it out for yourself:

1. Gear up with welfare Wrath gear;
2. 5-10 minutes and you're facerolling everything except good Warlocks/Owls/Shamans/Spriests;
3. 10-20 minutes and you're facerolling everything 1v1;
4. 10 bg's and you can faceroll 2 decent players at the same time;
5. 1 week and you're unstoppable unless 3+ players work hard and as a team to stop you.

gl hf

p.s.: it'll get even more ridiculous come Cata lol.

Telling me to gear up doesn't really apply you know seeing as if you'd read my post you'd know I have over 1.2k resi.
I'll get my avatar to update then you can see my Wrathful Shoulders so no downer welfare gear here.
Plus I'm guessing you've based your theory on a certain Dwarf PvP movie.
Pity that most classes currently dominate Hunters unless we're BM.

We all know Icelance is OP at level 80 (and afaik at 85 too). It's really annoying and stupid that the balance is this skewed; but it's getting rather tiresome to see 5 of these posts pop up every week.

Also i think Nevian was talking about gearing up a frost mage. You might want to read his post again.

Just as a small note though: Kill shot never really hit super hard. A lot of people have a bit of a flawed perception on kill shot because they used to roll with 100% Armor Pen.

Telling me to gear up doesn't really apply you know seeing as if you'd read my post you'd know I have over 1.2k resi.
I'll get my avatar to update then you can see my Wrathful Shoulders so no downer welfare gear here.
Plus I'm guessing you've based your theory on a certain Dwarf PvP movie.
Pity that most classes currently dominate Hunters unless we're BM.

I meant gear up a mage

Yeah killshot is a complete joke.
Pretty much full BiS gear and i'm still hitting max 3k white hit on plate. Whereas my PROT paladin alt, who has crappy gear, mainly tank gear, can hit for 16k+ with Hammer of Wrath.
Ruined ability is ruined.

Even without Armor Pen i.e. In PvE, you used to be able to get 10-12k kill shots on people in PvP :/

Well killshot WAS OP, no doubt about it.
They have simply gone from one extreme to another.

Well killshot WAS OP, no doubt about it.
They have simply gone from one extreme to another.

Kill Shot was OP, indeed, compared to other executes. But what was the point in nerfing it if they buffed every other execute to Kill Shot's pre-nerf level? Doesn't make sense.

Well killshot WAS OP, no doubt about it.
They have simply gone from one extreme to another.

little correction , OP aganist cloth , and abit less op on leather.

Well killshot WAS OP, no doubt about it.
They have simply gone from one extreme to another.

Kill shot was OP vs mages, warlocks and non-resto shammys in PvP and it was OP in PvE due to armour pen, since Arp was removed that solved the PvE issue and I would have thought the resiliance change helped with the PvP issue but a minor damage reduction on it would have sorted thatbut this is just silly only thing I can kill with it in PvP is and arcane mage and thats only if the glyph doesn't bug.

It's hard to compare them though if you see all the changes:

- Change from mana to focus; where getting a free "hard" hitting shot is relative more worthwhile

- Change from 100% armor penetration to virtually 0% armor penetration. I'm not sure what kind of numbers you could pull before hand. But I'm pretty sure 90% of the people are thinking about their PvE gear Kill shots that really did hit like a truck. This change has a pretty big impact on that.

- Change from 1 big hitting KS on a 9 sec cooldown. To a double hitting (2 in a row if the first doesn't kill) Kill Shot on a 11 sec cooldown. So to come out equal the damage had to be reduced by 40% already.

Plus the fact they don't want abilities to be as binary anymore; they stated they didn't want an ability to be a certain kill when it goes off.
Although I do have to say that I find blizzard to be VERY VERY inconsistent with that ideology as Drain Soul, Execute and Hammer of Wrath still hit you for insane numbers.

I kinda miss the old kill shot too; as this one doesn't feel very "kill shot"-esque; it hardly kills anyone.
Then again at level 80 some of the RAP scaling that shots thrive on is still a bit off too; so maybe it gets slightly better at 85 (can't remember from beta).

Telling me to gear up doesn't really apply you know seeing as if you'd read my post you'd know I have over 1.2k resi.
I'll get my avatar to update then you can see my Wrathful Shoulders so no downer welfare gear here.
Plus I'm guessing you've based your theory on a certain Dwarf PvP movie.
Pity that most classes currently dominate Hunters unless we're BM.

Hmpf, I agree.

On my hunter, which is decked in last(lastlast idk) seasons rele gear is critting max 6k on non resil targets with arcane shot (Playing BM). I used a facerolling macro where I was popping all my CDs and nuked with aimed and arcane.

I usually killed people in a matter of seconds, I could kite for minutes if it went wrong... Now the hunter class has a higher skillcap I believe. They are "harder" to play, and I need to use my CDs very carefully. Sure, but nerfing my shots so hard that I can't do any damage whatsoever on resil targets is lame. Arcane shot critting 2-4k, kill shot isn't worth using, pet tops my damage (nearly, perhaps at 50%) etc... Please.

I could live with this is all casters weren't that ridiculously overpowered, doing very very much damage with little to no effort. Focus sucks aswell, I get out of focus in a matter of four arcane shots and either have to run while generating focus, or use STEADY SHOT in PvP >_<

So I leveled this rogue a couple of months ago, got my welfare gear asap, and honestly... This class is more in the middle of everything, I can kill stuff with proper use of CDs etc, but on hunters... pointless.

I'd say blizzard should have made AotF available in pre 80 lvls to even this out, damage is very low :<

Why nerf arcane shot with x% damage, make it instant. While letting mages keep their instant IL's, with ridiculous amounts of damage? Give IL a CD. Also the Frostbolt > IL IL burst is doing about 25k damage in under two seconds after FB is casted

I agree that the mixture of low damage output + focus starvation is truly deadly to hunters.

Focus itself... it should be more like a rogues- lower pool and much better regen or... simply bigger pool and potential of burst over time and then starvation.

As for the Kill Shot- I think that you underestimate that ability. No focus, 2x with glyph, instant cast is truly nice, but the damage is silly. It is sarcastic that is still called "Kill" shot.