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Making a Guide?
Here in the class forums, players often put together awesome guides to help the rest of the community. However, due to the high number of sticky request we receive each day, these guides sometimes fall off the front page before we can sticky them. If you have just posted a guide or if you’d like to nominate a guide here on the European forums to be stickied, please send an email to the Community team, including a link to the guide you'd like stickied, at: CMTeamEU-WoW@Blizzard.com Alternatively, guide writers can help us spot their threads by putting [Guide] in the title :)0
(Transmog) Weapons that won't show enchants
I wanted to assemble some daggers and other weapons that have an intrinsic glow or effect thus won't display, amongst others, the oh so lovely Landslide enchant. (cough) This post has reached the character limit so see #5 for the rest of this list or click the links below. Contents 1. Daggers 2. Axes 3. Fist weapons 4. Swords http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/3161447398?page=1#5 5. Maces http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/3161447398?page=1#5 ------------------------- 1. Daggers ------------------------- • • • Blue glow 1H Claw of the Netherwing Flight quest reward 1H Borak's Reminder quest reward 1H Glacial Blade faint glow, Horde PVP reward 1H Blade of Unquenched Thirst BOE MH Vicious Spellblade or Earthspike (exactly the same), quest rewards MH Infused Dragonbone Splinter quest reward MH Nathrezim Mindblade faint blue glow, Karazhan MH Jaded Crystal Dagger heroic Magister's Terrace MH Blade of Trapped Knowledge BOE MH The Lost Kris of Zedd very faint glow, BOE MH Talon of the Tempest faint glow, BOE • • • Green 1H Feltooth Eviscerator heroic Hellfire Ramparts 1H Darkmoon Dirk faint glow, BOE reward from Demons Deck MH Sorcerous Dagger faint glow, Molten Core • • • Orange 1H Ceremonial Warmaul Blood-Blade quest reward (Ring of Blood Nagrand) MH Searing Golden Blade BOE • • • Yellow 1H Perdition's Blade orange/yellow-ish, 1H, Molten Core MH Azure Lightblade same model as above only recolor, quest reward OH Searing Sunblade JP reward • • • Red 1H Dustbringer faint glow, BOE 1H Heartrazor faint glow, Tempest Keep 1H Tracker's Blade Battle for Mount Hyjal 1H Wastewalker Shiv subtle glow, heroic Slave Pens 1H Retainer's Blade exalted with the Scryers • • • Purple 1H Riftmaker exalted with Keepers of Time 1H Guile of Khoraazi subtle glow, exalted with the Consortium 1H Vileblade of the Betrayer heroic Arcatraz 1H Zulian Slicer faint glow, no longer obtainable 1H Mindfang(H)/Sageclaw(A) MH, PVP reward 1H Twinblade of the Hakkari and OH Twinblade of the Hakkari Zul'Gurub MH Ritualist's Bloodletter or MH Twisted Reflection quest rewards MH Sharpened Fang of the Mystics very faint, Onyxia's Lair • • • Silver/white 1H Twinblade of Mastery Heroic Mana Tombs 1H Electrified Dagger Alliance PVP reward 1H Twin-Bladed Ripper faint white-blueish, quest Netherstorm MH Time-Shifted Dagger Escape from Durnholde Keep • • • Black 1H The Night Blade BOE 1H The Dusk Blade BOE, same model as above 1H Ced's Carver BOE 1H Blade of Eternal Darkness very faint glow, Maraudon 1H Bloodsipper heroic ICC 1H The Lobotomizer PVP reward 1H Crystal-Infused Shiv created by combining 50 Apexis Shards with Depleted Dagger 1H Gutgore Ripper or Tarnished Gutgore Ripper or Rusted Gutgore Ripper nearly invisible glow • • • No glow but hides enchants Gutgore Ripper 1H, can be passed off as no glow, MC Tarnished Gutgore Ripper and Rusted Gutgore Ripper 1H, Onyxia's Lair -------------------- 2. Axes -------------------- • • • Green 1H Hate-Forged Cleaver slight nearly invisible green glow, Halls of Reflection Hc 1H Amani Venom-Axe green glow, Old Hillsbrad 1H Axe of the Sen'jin Protector (H) faint green effect, Argent Tournament 1H Bogreaver small green sparks fly off it, can pass as no-glow, Underbog • • • Orange 1H Axe of the Legion orange, BOE 1H Firebrand Battleaxe orange/red glow, Blood Furnace 1H Rising Tide faint orange glow on handle, no glow on blade, BT • • • Purple 1H Grom'tor's Charge green axe with faint purple, quest SMV 1H Breeching Comet MT or The Harvester of Souls Auchenai Crypts • • • Silver/white 1H Edge of Winter faint white, BS crafted 1H The Decapitator silver/white glow, Kara 1H Empowered Deathbringer very faint smokey white effect, Onyxia's Lair • • • No glow but hides enchants 1H Rising Tide faint orange glow on handle, no glow on blade, BT 1H Bogreaver small green sparks in core of blade, Underbog 1H The Brutalizer orange glow on handle, none on blade, BT ------------------------- 3. Fist weapons ------------------------- Reflex Blades and Stormreaver Warblades purple effect, Arcatraz/Botanica Merciless Gladiator's Ripper and Gladiator's Fleshslicer purple glow, PVP reward (Area 52)96
Interesting and useful rogue macros
Hi there fellow rogues, I thought i share some of the macros i use, i developed them myself and found them extremely useful. ... ... These macros are for pvp, when you are spamming your main ability like mad and you lost target for some reason, (rogue vanished, mage turned invisible, hunter feigned death) these will cast fan of knives right away automaticaly. Update: As Mannmedkniv suggested I added the /startattack command to the backstab macro, that way when you cant manage to land a succesful backstab you will cause some dps at least. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ... This is a spammable macro when you notice there is an enemy rogue nearby, it will target the rogue and sap him even if you are currently targetting a further enemy, it ignores pets as well. If you want to sap your current target you hold down shift or ctrl or alt no matter wich and it will sap your current target. Place this on your default action bar in stealth mode. ... Place this macro to the same bind as the previous one but in normal stance (no stealth), useful when you see a rogue while you are mounted. If you spam its key then you will turn stealthed then sap the rogue, if he gets you first then it will blind him. This macro also works for jumping down from your flying mount stealthed, which is a very usefull thing in many situations. In combat it also works as a default mouseover Blind macro but you can simply blind any1 with this as well. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ... This is a simple vanish macro, probably most of you have something similar, it saves you from wasting your vanish when you would come out of combat anyway. ... Replace every man for himself to /use *your pvp trinket* and replace poisons on demand! This macro only makes sense if you put it somewhere else then the default action bar, if you do so it saves you 3 slots. When you are stealthed you would not use your trinket anyways so when you are stealthed and hit this macro it applies crippling poison to your mainhand, if you hold down shift it puts mind numbing on your offhand, and if you hold down alt it applies crippling poison on your thrown weapon. It also handles the pop up questions. When you are out of stealth it works as a simple pvp trinket. ... This is another 3 in 1 macro, if you target a friendly player in your group it casts Tricks of Trade on him, if you hold down shift it casts Slice and Dice otherwise its a simple Cheap Shot. ... This macro targets the nearest enemy player and ignores mobs and pets when you are in your pvp talent spec, and targets the nearest enemy no matter if its a mob or player when you are in your pve talent spec. Bind this to your tab key! Swap spec 1 and spec 2 if your pvp spec is on the first talent panel and pve on your second. I hope at least 1 or 2 of these macros were helpful for some1.175
Weakest in 10 years
Hello, I have been playing rogue for a long time, i am not hardcore pvp player but i played many battleground matches in all contents. I have never witnessed this kind of weak rogue as it is now. It really feels so weak that it is impossible to miss or ignore :S. I have tried all 3 specs and nothing seems to work... Burst is like a joke :S do you even call it burst? You may say that there are rogues who push high arena ratings, you may say that it is balanced at 3v and 5v... However i am sure that you got my point. A class who can't tank, who can't heal, who can't dps properly and who is bad at battlegrounds, 1v1 (yes 1v1 is has always been unbalanced but at the favor of rogue). I just can't get it, why shouldn't people simply play druid or paladin instead of rogue? There is nothing special about rogues except for stealth and vanish...15
Outlaw Rogue in PVP????
Hey, it's really frustraded, im ilvl 876, done about 40 skirmish(won 4 atm) to get the weekend event done. BUT i'm always last on the dmg done, which is why we lose. i'm just a mascot. (if not another outlaw rogue is in the game) - even when i get 6 buffs, i had half damage done to my buddy.. feels like im running around with ilvl 700 gear, when im most often having the highest ilvl... any other rogues feel the same? outlaw is just trash in pvp... it's strange, at the start of legion i felt strong in pvp, i could actually kill a target by myself in BGS, have they nerfed outlaw dmg with 100% or? have i missed something? and whats the point being a rogue when there´s always a DH in the arena.. kinda loses its meaning without stealth..16
Bag of Tricks Randomness retarded
Hi guys. I want to ask if I am the only one who dislikes bag of tricks mechanic as a rogue. I'll talk majorly from a PVP point of view, I see ppl claiming it's OP as it is and I see ppl complaining it is dog sh*t, and imo they're both right, and do u guys wanna know why? Because it's !@#$ing RNG. It legit requires no skill to kill a resto shaman in arena in the opener if u get the proc, and its not the case that's fun, plus the fact u will always have those 25 envenom streaks without a single %^-*ing proc. Why dont they reduce RNG in wow? Or at least in PvP? Why not make things like if its 25% chance make it proc every 4 times, let the enemy see it, that would add counterplay and skill to line ur extra burst with your cc, and make the game more skillfull and healthier. Instead they nerf the dmg 30%, which was not the problem, the problem was the full randomness nature of the ability, now we have a stupid proc which gives no pressure, and it still has no counterplay whatsoever. So clap clap Blizz, u chose the lazy way to achieve nothing gratz.5
assasination pvp ?
whats the deal blizztards? i mean look at all other classes ingame how they perform against us.......... i used to have 1 charachter in this game whole legion expansion becuase i enjoyed it alot in both pve and pvp.. now i got 5 alts, well tried some pvp on all alts, and i just oneshot rogues like they are paper.. they cant do !@#$.. Or well maybe sub rogues, they are fine becuase of their dodge, but assasination and outlaw is... LOL all you do in arena as rogue is keeping feint up, meanwhile you have your dots ticking for 50k each, envenom could maybe crit for 150k if youre lucky and have vendetta up meanwhile demonhunters pop meta form and oneshots everything cleaving teams down, or fury warriors hitting like trucks, or survival hunters... what the %^-* is wrong with you?4
Assassination AoE and poison bomb gripes
I'll keep this as short as possible. Blues hope you read this. Assassination AoE is pathetic unless you get a lucky streak of PB procs with a stationary pack of trash. Some classes do 3~4x more DPS than me during a big trash pull and for me to even compete I need all the trash in one location and a few lucky PB procs. Some exaples: PB doesn't proc. PB procs when the last trash mob of a pack was on 5% hp PB doesn't proc. PB procs and the boss/player/trash run away from it like hostages fleeing ISIS. Suggested fixes: -Buff FoK's damage, make it cost no energy, spreads rupture/garrote to all targets. -Redesign PB, CP generating attacks have a chance to generate a PB charge, stacking up to 3 times, PB is now an ability, you can throw PB to any location within 30 yards.9
Rerolled into my DH finally. (PVP Topic)
I loved the sub rogue before Legion, shadowstrike spam and weak eviscerate not like the old strong good sub rogue for me. Assassination is riddiclious, no preparation, weak defs, bad mobility, and right now bad dmg. Just like at the beginning of Pandaria, and Blizzard let us suck for 2 long patch. I admit, we were very strong before the nerf, but right now bad dmg etc etc it is useless for me. Even if i admit , burst of speed was unbalanced bull!@#$, but why are u removed from the game? At least give us back with higher cooldown. Until this, im done. hf with this waste rogues.20
[Mainly PvP] What's it like to be a Rogue?
Hello! I'm a pretty casual player, I like to do the occasional mythic, BGs and a few Arenas here and there. I've been maining my Lock so far in Legion but I've gotten increasingly curious about getting a second toon up and the Rogue class has caught my eye. Unfortunately I know basically nothing about their current state or even how favored their current design is among the Rogue playerbase. I've got quite a few questions on my mind and it'd be lovely if a knowledgeable soul would take the time to answer! Generally speaking I'm wondering things such as; How's the class currently doing overall? Is any 1 specc vastly superior above the others, or what's favored when? What's your general impression of the class right now in Legion, fun, boring, hard, easy? And what're some good 3vs3 Comps including a rogue of what specc? Thanks in advance should someone take the time!13
What is the best spec for pvp? Arena, 2vs2, 3vs3 etc
I know that this question is a lot of times was made but i saw a lot of confusion about this from who say "Sin best" or "Sub best" also confused from worldofwargraphs statistics where much ranked players on pvp have sub and only two sin are in the top of the rank list. I don't care about the difficulty, i just wanna to know what is it the best spec in pvp "2vs2, 3vs3, arena ect etc" for a rogue that want to get kills and not just a "support role" where you need help from someone for to kill a player. I like both sin and sub, but i hate when you need a help for get a kill that you aren't able to kill someone because you are alone. Don't look my level, because i plan to do seriously pvp.4
Not exactly sure what might be wrong...
So I am a Rogue, enjoyable and satisfying class to play, all fine and dandy. However, I seem to be having a problem when it comes to dealing damage, at least satisfying amounts of damage to please others around. On which character? This one: http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/character/defias-brotherhood/Morang/simple Let me put in to detail what I am suffering from: Apparently, my DPS is lacking for someone who is at 879 Item Level, with only one Legendary (That being a pair of trousers that may not have the best DPS value, but are still quite nice to have), and is at the moment rolling with Assassination. When I am Outlaw, I do roughly 230k to 250k DPS, and as Assassination I can go up to 330k DPS, but am prone to dropping down. And I have to ask if I am doing anything inherantly wrong. This is sort of a spur-of-the-moment thread that I made after getting in to a fight with a Hunter who seem to think he knows better about Rogues and their DPS than a Rogue himself. So I opted to ask Rogues here for their input.13