Anyone out there with a sense of trading?

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First of all.... thanks for Cata - made a fortune on the AH ^^

But... however... there are some people out there I actually don't understand when they post things in the AH...

I.e. I go to the AH, search for a specific gem I have crafted. Search result end up empty.
Ok... profitable situation here... simple supply and demand... no supply -> prices go up.
Let's say I put 2 of the gems on the AH at a price of 200G each. Next time I drop by another player has decided to try to sell the same gem. But he puts it on AH for 50G.
My question here is WHY?????

I know that if someone looks for that specific gem they would by his gem and not mine... but they would also have done that if his were there at a price of 199G.

Aren't people doing business at AH looking to profit?

Well, just curious....
The answer is: Automated buying and selling bots.

Sad but true and a large part of the explanation of why apparent buying and selling behaviour can be so erratic. Not to mention the lunacy that is the cost of Darkmoon decks and what some people think they can sell individual cards for.

Card worth maybe 1.5k on my server. But people sell decks for 20k+ and also individual cards for 3k+. Its insanity.
04/02/2011 5:06 PMPosted by Brassnukles
The answer is: Automated buying and selling bots.


Why is 'everything' that goes wrong in this game down to bots?
Miners claim that if they dont make it to the node in time its bots, and they also ruin the economy (bots, not miners).

Buying and selling is erratic because people are erratic. And people will put on the AH what 'they think' something is worth.

I admit i used to think if i put something on AH for 50g when there is something on there for 200 then someone might think mine is 'damn reasonable' but mainly i couldn't see someone paying that much for it (cant remember what the item was now). but now i'd go for as much as i thought it was 'worth'.
Well think what you like Kinbear, but in my experience stuff gets auto-bought if it is below a certain threshold as compared to the historical value of the item, by bots.

I deduce this from how quickly they are bought after I create the auctions as well as from the fact that many times they are unusual and not regularly bought items.
04/02/2011 6:45 PMPosted by Brassnukles
Well think what you like Kinbear, but in my experience stuff gets auto-bought if it is below a certain threshold as compared to the historical value of the item, by bots.

I deduce this from how quickly they are bought after I create the auctions as well as from the fact that many times they are unusual and not regularly bought items.


People usually do this themselves. As humans we set our own budget per item and we'll buyout everything below that mark, then put up again.
04/02/2011 6:45 PMPosted by Brassnukles
Well think what you like Kinbear, but in my experience stuff gets auto-bought if it is below a certain threshold as compared to the historical value of the item, by bots.

I deduce this from how quickly they are bought after I create the auctions as well as from the fact that many times they are unusual and not regularly bought items.


You aren't as sharp as you think you are.
04/02/2011 10:41 PMPosted by Brassnukles
ITT: Botters trying to defend their interests. Or AH brokers using numerous databases and auction addons.


You're calling me a botter or an AH broker?

Reported simply because maybe Blizzard will agree people as thick as you shouldn't post such crap which others may find offensive.
04/02/2011 10:41 PMPosted by Brassnukles
ITT: Botters trying to defend their interests. Or AH brokers using numerous databases and auction addons.


Keeps getting better and better, "those who don't agree with me are part of the problem".

Whats next some quasi-religious reason as to why you are "right"?
None is necessary, because you still have done nothing except personally attack and insult me, yet offered no proof to the contrary on my statements :)

Keep raging kid. Doesnt make you right and not a single word of what you have said has in anyway convinced me or anyone else of anything to the contrary.
04/02/2011 10:49 PMPosted by Brassnukles
None is necessary, because you still have done nothing except personally attack and insult me, yet offered no proof to the contrary on my statements :)

Keep raging kid. Doesnt make you right and not a single word of what you have said has in anyway convinced me or anyone else of anything to the contrary.


If you're so sharp, surely you know how to recognize a botter. Now considering I haven't earned much gold in my statistics, am I an AH botter?

There's your proof, enjoy your ban. Forum moderators are a bit slow recently but it'll come.
Ban me for what exactly?
04/02/2011 10:49 PMPosted by Brassnukles
None is necessary, because you still have done nothing except personally attack and insult me, yet offered no proof to the contrary on my statements :)

Nobody personally attacked you, your powers of deduction are flawed as is your reading comprhension by the looks of things.

Also the lack of "proof" doesn't indicate a lack of truth behind the statement just perhaps and unewillingness or inability due to the lack of logistics or other aspects.


Keep raging kid.

Pot, kettle, black.
Doesnt make you right

Doesn't make him/her wrong either, the ancedotal "evidence" you have provided hardly indicates anything other than supply and demand.

and not a single word of what you have said has in anyway convinced me


Well thats good, you keep living in that ignorant, self important world of your own.

or anyone else of anything to the contrary.


nice to know of your omnipresence and omniscience there, and the fact you speak for everyone.

Seriously though, that is a truly ridiculous claim to make.

Ban me for what exactly?

Probably the "personal attack", quite funny considering you incorrectly accused others of doing the same thing.
Ban me for what exactly?

And by all means please continue raging.
Your personality type amuses me immensely and makes me feel much better about my own relatively stable personality.

You flipped out at the drop of a hat and have been spinning on a dime ever since.
I feel sorry honestly for someone with this poor emotional control and obvious frustration baggage.
Oh look a hobby psychologist who probably knows about as much about the psyche as a mouse does about cpr.
I did that a lot with meta gems on my alt at the end of WoTLK. Raw meta gem: 20 gold, level 1 "ah playa" puts cut gem for 200g, I post 2-3 cut gems for 35-40 gold each.

Why do I do that? Because if I try to undercut that reseller by a tiny bit, he'll undercut me within next 5 minutes. If I undercut him by a lot, he'll ether buy my auctions (and then I put more of them. one of those players had a chat with me about undercutting, asking me to stop, but I didn't) or he'll have to reduce his price by way too much losing all his profits.

I don't watch auctions every 5 minutes, so I can't compete with those level 1 resellers. My choice is ether sell gems for small profit, which is enough for me, or be instantly undercut and not sell gems at all. I prefer sell for small profit, but in large amounts.

Then there is issue of decency. In my opinion, selling cut gem for 200 gold when raw gem costs 20 gold is a ripoff and I don't like ripping people off their hard earned money.
04/02/2011 11:02 PMPosted by Brassnukles
Ban me for what exactly?

And by all means please continue raging.
Your personality type amuses me immensely and makes me feel much better about my own relatively stable personality.

You flipped out at the drop of a hat and have been spinning on a dime ever since.
I feel sorry honestly for someone with this poor emotional control and obvious frustration baggage.


Wow, you make my hobby psychology look like world specialist stuff. Being able to craft my own language to display an emotion isn't hard. The fact you fall for it and try to take advantage of that to insult more shows your personality well :)
Actually I'm a Psych student in my second year :)

Its really quite funny how you cant see for yourself how out of whack and emotional your behavior is.
04/02/2011 11:11 PMPosted by Brassnukles
Actually I'm a Psych student in my second year :)

Its really quite funny how you cant see for yourself how out of whack and emotional your behavior is.


It's more funny how you think that just because I have the literary ability to make my text sound like it would be said in an intimidating way, I must be angry.

Did you fail Literacy to get into psychology?

P.S. Psychology student also. It really does stand for very little. Learning psychology is like learning proof of behaviour and common sense.
Look at OPs post. Look at my post. Then look at Subject As post.

See the flipping out and complete loss of emotional control and the collapse and spiral into personal insults and irrelevancies almost immediately afterwards.

He even seems to think that it is I who should be banned, but never was able to provide any reason why :D

Probably a teenager or someone with hormonal fluctuations and instability.

Depersonalisation over the internet is crippling for many people who quite simply dont have the education or the capacity to communicate in a literal format. Because the written language can at times be so poor at conveying emotional cues, persons like this imagine in their own head that their counterpart is infact in some sort of negative posture towards them, when infact they are just sitting there typing idly.

Subject A is a prime example of this.

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