I knew the community in wow was bad, but..

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Imagine how much better the community would had been if they blocked addons that would show damage done, healing done.
i was in a group where they wanted to kick the tank because "not fast enough" he even said at start of the dungeon that he was knew.

this community sometimes.

._.
I think I'll get a bunch of hate for my response, but I will go there anyways

I honestly don't think the community is any "better" or "worse" than it was before, yea the cross realm deal ruined the community policing itself and it has it's own reasons, but people never took too kindly to players who are under preforming, and you can understand their view, I'll quote The Great Lebowski here and just say, they're not wrong, they're just a-holes.

The problem is what you do with this issue, you can either look at what you did wrong, and try to fix it, or you can take it to the forums to complain, it's an issue we have with our current generation in general with the rise of social platforms and such, the world hasn't got any worse, people are just a lot more vocal about it because it's easier to be.

People were kicked from groups for under preforming since the dawn of time, but now it seems more and more acceptable to just go throw a whole big whine about it on the forums and be surrounded by "white knights" being all "shocked and surprised at the awfulness of it all" and claim they'd never do it!

C'mon guys, most of us here won't bother kicking someone for low DPS in timewalking because it doesn't hurt us that bad, there's no reason to go out and flaunt it about how "nice" you are, there always were, are the will be nicer and ruder people, thing is that a few years ago, it was less acceptable to go ahead and whine about how "bitter our fate is"
Generally this is how most people act now. You can blame it on americanization, on capitalism, on socialism, on degeneration or whatever. People have changed ever since internet and smartphones became mainstream, and to a certain degree it scares me.
some people act badly

but let say this at timewalk year gears help but becouse of scale down.i did sometimes good with my low lvl toons.
its lack of spells talents etc.still as average player did good

so main issue at dps is skill not gear.

i never kick dps as long as group not stuck or suffering
but i dont tolarate afk , badly slacking

i kicked few time this week unfairly too
moslty sam server pals do this.

well its still better then cata times

at cata 2 player join dungeon keep troling ninja pull wipe group kick others ruin entire dungeons .people eleft they ruin new joined player etc
those time more trolls at around.
15/12/2015 21:58Posted by Hambert
C'mon guys, most of us here won't bother kicking someone for low DPS in timewalking


I dunno. I agree with your whole post more or less except this part.

I think it's just stupid, really. What will you gain in you kick low DPS from a group? Save a couple of seconds/minute in a dungeon while hurting the feelings of other (kicked) person and probably making akward situation in a group? You really don't feel bad when kicking a person, even if he's trying his best? What if next guy that will do even less dps? You will kick them one after another untill right one comes up? Do you really need that extra seconds that much? Why are you better than them?

Why not just enjoy the game, help people and take it easy? Some classes just don't do good dps in dungeons by themselves. It's not people problem, it's game design. And dungeons are so easy you literally could not care less about DPS today. I think it's disgusting.
15/12/2015 21:58Posted by Hambert
now it seems more and more acceptable to just go throw a whole big whine about it on the forums and be surrounded by "white knights"

I do know why, but this seems to be rather WoW specific. I mean, in other MMOs, complaining about certain stuff like "class X OP" and so on usually got you flamed to no end as a big baby until you learned to be quiet and take it like a man.

I still think some complaints are justifiable though. But I also think we have a report system in place. Just use that, requeue, try to be better at the game, don't show any vulnerability for trolls to exploit. Sadly, new, undergeared and underperforming people are inherently in a vulnerable state.

Also happens that in WoW, new players seem reluctant to join guilds and improve and they try playing it like a solo RPG, basically guaranteeing they remain in that state of vulnerability for the entire expacs's life. It's to be expected they will have some bad group experiences.
It makes me smile when you see people say "you were unlucky to come across people like this" And this isn't a smile of joy...but of disappointment as I'm afraid acts of cruelty in this game are a lot more common than you think. It's just that most people don't report them via the forums.

So please don't say "you were unlucky" as I don't believe this is true. Open your eyes....get into some of these dungeons on a character that isn't either well geared or max level. Try making some deliberate mistakes if you are an experienced player...and see what reactions you get.

Acts of cruelty happen a lot!
Yep I queued a while and finally got a tw dungeon and as soon as we started the warrior said is that druid even doing any damage ? someone else said doesn't look like ... I was a bit stunned as wed just started and as a druid its pretty hard to hit anything before it dies when well geared melee are killing them all fast and my casts take a while lol I explained this and they totally ignored me and kicked me /sigh it shouldn't but it bothered me quite a bit as I'm already aware that my druid ends up low on recount despite me trying hard to get it all right. Hey ho i'm over it and back in dungeons and raids and in all honesty whilst you do occasionally come across a horrible person i've done hundreds of grps on my druid and this was the first bad one so keep at it, there's lots of lovely people on wow :)
agreed, no one notices when there are no DPS meters, why does it matter how much DPS is being done if the instance i.s being completed with no issues?
15/12/2015 18:16Posted by Gosh
Imagine how much better the community would had been if they blocked addons that would show damage done, healing done.

Well I for one - and probably hundreds of thousands more - wouldn't raid at all. I'm a competitive person, I like being one of the best. I would have no interest at all if damage/healing meters didn't exist.
This is about a 5 man dungeon, right?

So if that's the case, then i believe that if you have a good tank + good healer,
DPS should'nt really matter.

You see, the thing is:
If you have a tank that can maintain the thread
and a healer that can keep his allies alive, DPS should not be an issue.

All you need to know is a boss's abilities so you can counter it.
That you know how to respond to certain attacks.

However... if either 1 of those slacks...
Like if the tank can't maintain thread
and/or the healer can't keep both himself and his allies alive,
then you DO have a problem.

And those that say things like "DPS sucks", "Your DPS is too low"
are either in a hurry or just elitist jerks.

Simply put:

Slacking DPS should'nt be a problem.
Slacking healer(s) & tanks IS a problem

High DPS = fast kill
Low DPS = slow kill
I knew community is bad and I saw it is bad. Wow. Much surprise.


Well yeah, sometimes you meet such players. One man could be praised and respected one time, the other he got diagnose of brain damage, could even happen by the same people.
But sometimes they are even patient, when you are tank who doesn't even know what to do in this raid, but you stay with group to the end. Sometimes.
16/12/2015 03:00Posted by Miridon
So if that's the case, then i believe that if you have a good tank + good healer,
DPS should'nt really matter.

You see, the thing is:
If you have a tank that can maintain the thread
and a healer that can keep his allies alive, DPS should not be an issue.

Not true.

Leaving aside certain bosses where low DPS can actually wipe you (e.g. 2nd boss in Everbloom), the fact is that low DPS makes the job of the healer significantly more challenging and sometimes impossible. A short fight is much easier to heal than a long fight.

I also believe that low DPS in most cases comes down purely to laziness, and people doing low DPS are usually the ones who never use their interrupts either, hence also making the job of the tank and healer more difficult.

That is why they should be kicked. The tank and the healer are putting in effort to make the run a smooth one - it's simply disrespectful and selfish for any DPS to make no attempt to do the same.
15/12/2015 18:16Posted by Gosh
Imagine how much better the community would had been if they blocked addons that would show damage done, healing done.


You'd think that but look at GW2, elitists running rampant there. If your not the right class wearing the right gear and right spec, your out before you even start. It's probably even worse. The looking for group section is filled with ONLY this and ONLY that, link gear or kick, blabla

16/12/2015 09:40Posted by Overblown
16/12/2015 03:00Posted by Miridon
So if that's the case, then i believe that if you have a good tank + good healer,
DPS should'nt really matter.

You see, the thing is:
If you have a tank that can maintain the thread
and a healer that can keep his allies alive, DPS should not be an issue.

Not true.

Leaving aside certain bosses where low DPS can actually wipe you (e.g. 2nd boss in Everbloom), the fact is that low DPS makes the job of the healer significantly more challenging and sometimes impossible. A short fight is much easier to heal than a long fight.

I also believe that low DPS in most cases comes down purely to laziness, and people doing low DPS are usually the ones who never use their interrupts either, hence also making the job of the tank and healer more difficult.

That is why they should be kicked. The tank and the healer are putting in effort to make the run a smooth one - it's simply disrespectful and selfish for any DPS to make no attempt to do the same.


Aye, people should try to maximise their dps. And in alot of cases people go in very undergeared expecting others to pick up the slack. I'd be embarrassed if my dps was as low as some of the people I encounter.
That beeing said, you can hardly expect some with ilvl 660-700 without a legendary ring to compete with people at +720 and a ring of over 9000.
I only recently started playing again and I'm working on my rings, and I more than pull my weight in hc's/raids but I get blown out of the water if people with more than 30 ilvls higher average come along.
Especially true on certain classes that are very gear dependant.
So that "low dps" might only appear that way because other characters are way too overpowered for the content they are doing.
15/12/2015 18:16Posted by Gosh
Imagine how much better the community would had been if they blocked addons that would show damage done, healing done.


Because zero accountability usually makes people behave better?
16/12/2015 09:54Posted by Visalyar
That beeing said, you can hardly expect some with ilvl 660-700 without a legendary ring to compete with people at +720 and a ring of over 9000.
I only recently started playing again and I'm working on my rings, and I more than pull my weight in hc's/raids but I get blown out of the water if people with more than 30 ilvls higher average come along.

I don't expect people with low gear to be on par with the others (I said that earlier in the thread) but if someone is pulling low DPS and is either ignoring mechanics or refusing to use their interrupt regularly, I will usually try to kick them. Gear is a valid excuse, laziness is not.
"main reason why i think the DPS meters should be removed"

oh yeah great, it'd be fun as hell to continueously wipe on bosses because people can't play their class or don't care about enchants or optimal rotations to get better at dps because nobody knows whos doing good or bad.

dps meter is a good thing and made wow more competetive.
5 man instances should be ilvl locked into brackets, such as 600-640, 640 - 680, 680 - 720. Why? because there is nothing more annoying than doing your valor daily and having 2 dps do 7k dps so it takes twice as long.

Everyone needs to gear up, therefore put them in the same group as similar geared people.
Some a**hole (denivid - aszune) said my character was ebayed, after I said my DPS wasn't too bad. He said 'not bad for an ebayed character'... while I did state at the beginning that I just dinged 100 a few days ago.

Some people just need a hug... with a brick... in the face. They're just natural born a**holes and I've seen a massive decrease in the niceness of people ever since LFD or LFR.

The game has desocialized, while we gained fast dungeons.

Unfortunate...

12k dps is no reason to make such a comment

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