Why am I forced to aid Grymane (Spoilers)

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So I really hate being forced by game mechanics to act against the Kings orders helping Greymane rack the Skyfire in his blind hatred against the forsaken who are now the Aliiance's allies against the Legion and thereby directly cause of upstructing the war against the Legion.

I hope I get the opportunity to later execute him as he is trialed for High treason.

Not likely though as I was involved in the headless mission myself though.

What is even my characters motivations for parrying orders from that old hateful hag, directly against the Kings orders?
Because Blizzard said so, sadly.

I agree. Now is not the time for the Horde and Alliance to be killing eachother. Now is the time to be killing lots of demons.
The problem with choice is the implications it brings. If you choose not to, than that choice must come with a consequences, which also means there has to be "separate" areas or "phases" depending on which choice you made, which also means that friends of yours that made a different choice won't see you when they're in that area.

That's why it's better to have just 1 "phase" and 1 choice, instead of multiple ones. It just gets messy and complicated, very fast.
I agree with you, Gnome.
Sylvanas (and the forsaken) destroyed Gilneas.
Sylvanas (and the forsaken) killed Genn's son.
Sylvanas (and the forsaken) killed dozens, if not hundreds or thousands of gilnean citizens when she invaded the Kingdom.
Sylvanas (and the forsaken) left the alliance alone on the Broken Shore, letting Varian die. (Genn doesn't know that she had to retreat)

Aren't those reasons enough to make Genn to care for vengeance more than anything else?
You can argue that it is not the perfect time, but is it the perfect time for Sylvanas to seek immortality and Val'kyr(s) for HER people? Is it the perfect time to use plague AGAIN, destroying the nature and the living? Sylvanas didn't change at all, and I still think that making her Warchief was a terrible mistake. All Sylvanas ever wanted is for herself and her undead.

HOW can you NOT want to help Greymane take her head off?

Answering your question: Well, that's the story. You don't make decisions, you obey the orders, even tho you are that one, unique, allpowerful champion of Azeroth, who wields that one, unique, allpowerful artifact weapon.
02/09/2016 01:29Posted by Ciocolici
Sylvanas (and the forsaken) destroyed Gilneas.
Sylvanas (and the forsaken) killed Genn's son.
Sylvanas (and the forsaken) killed dozens, if not hundreds or thousands of gilnean citizens when she invaded the Kingdom.
Sylvanas (and the forsaken) left the alliance alone on the Broken Shore, letting Varian die. (Genn doesn't know that she had to retreat)

Aren't those reasons enough to make Genn to care for vengeance more than anything else?
You can argue that it is not the perfect time, but is it the perfect time for Sylvanas to seek immortality and Val'kyr(s) for HER people? Is it the perfect time to use plague AGAIN, destroying the nature and the living? Sylvanas didn't change at all, and I still think that making her Warchief was a terrible mistake. All Sylvanas ever wanted is for herself and her undead.

HOW can you NOT want to help Greymane take her head off?

Answering your question: Well, that's the story. You don't make decisions, you obey the orders, even tho you are that one, unique, allpowerful champion of Azeroth, who wields that one, unique, allpowerful artifact weapon.


Even when the orders are in direct conflict with what your King has ordered you to and worsen the chances of your whole world including yourself surviving?

Still you'd rather listen to some vengeful rage head out on personal vendeta.
Death to sylvanas
Varian got to go out in a blaze of glory. That's not a bad thing. Besides, Genn immediately thinking of betrayal and then launching a devastating sneak attack at the forsaken (still allies at that point) is much worse.

As Blightcaller said ''and you call us the monsters''

02/09/2016 01:29Posted by Ciocolici


Answering your question: Well, that's the story. You don't make decisions, you obey the orders, even tho you are that one, unique, allpowerful champion of Azeroth, who wields that one, unique, allpowerful artifact weapon.


That's the irony actually. Because at this point you are in a position to tell him to fk off, or atleast not help him. Remember, half the mission (and 100% the official mission) is to escort you, the player, to Stormheim.

The only reason the player has to play along is because you either do those quests, or you dont. :p
The Horde, and specifically Sylvanas, have betrayed everyone time and time again, even their own.
Is it any surprise Graymane, who's seen first hand the horror Sylvanas lets loose at will, treaty or no treaty, doesn't trust the undead witch?

He, and Jaina, are probably among the only sane people in the alliance with their distrust in the Horde...
02/09/2016 01:29Posted by Ciocolici
Sylvanas (and the forsaken) destroyed Gilneas.
Sylvanas (and the forsaken) killed Genn's son.
Sylvanas (and the forsaken) killed dozens, if not hundreds or thousands of gilnean citizens when she invaded the Kingdom.
Sylvanas (and the forsaken) left the alliance alone on the Broken Shore, letting Varian die. (Genn doesn't know that she had to retreat)

Aren't those reasons enough to make Genn to care for vengeance more than anything else?
You can argue that it is not the perfect time, but is it the perfect time for Sylvanas to seek immortality and Val'kyr(s) for HER people? Is it the perfect time to use plague AGAIN, destroying the nature and the living? Sylvanas didn't change at all, and I still think that making her Warchief was a terrible mistake. All Sylvanas ever wanted is for herself and her undead.

HOW can you NOT want to help Greymane take her head off?

Answering your question: Well, that's the story. You don't make decisions, you obey the orders, even tho you are that one, unique, allpowerful champion of Azeroth, who wields that one, unique, allpowerful artifact weapon.


yes i really do not care. i am not a worgan. as a 'human' and 'nightelf' in wow. saving my planet is more important to me than some old !@#$ getting revenge, especially if it goes against the orders of the high king.
The really odd thing is any non-Gilnean that happens to hate the Forsaken showing an ounce of sympathy for the Gilneans. The cowards that shut their gate and let the world burn? Surely you should spit on them and say "Losing your country was a fitting punishment, now get out of MY country".
I agree. Felt bad for The Forsaken, they did nothing wrong and we attack them because of Gen's bloodthirsty vendetta.

The worst thing is that we're forced to help Gen for no good reason. I have an all-powerful artifact weapon and I'm compelled to take orders from that mongrel? No. Let me teleport him a few feet above the Maelstrom.

Couldn't help but agree with Nathanos when he said something like "And you call us monsters."
Playing as Horde I would rather aid Greymane than Sylvanas. Greymane may be guided by vengeful emotions but at least he isn't just evil like Sylvanas.
There are many times during questing i am forced to do out of charater things.

For example:
A wounded dreanei?
Here let me just heal you.
But no he is beyond saving......
Or
Ow you die:
Pick you posion: rebirth? rejuvinate? revive?

Or the time i had to drink a dream potion because otherwise the panda lorewalker woudnt show up..... i dont drink stuff i dont know.

Or that time i didnt murder an entire villiage for forcing me to fall to sleep.

There are plenty of moments where what the game allow is different from what people like myself would do.

That is swtors selling point.
You get to respond to quests.
You are still railroaded but atleast the quests make you feel like you have a choice.

If it helps you are technicly an soldier(a famous and very deadly one but none the less a soldier) in your factions army obeying the orders of your superiors.

One of the advantage of roleplaying is that there is choice.

You shoud try playing dungeons and dragon as dm.
It is quiet hard to get your players to follow the story you have in mind.
Because people will have different goals then you.
Don't forget admiral rogers, she and Greymaneh ave a hatred towards the forsaken. Though the hatred is fully understood, i don't see why we are handling this now.
I felt the same way playing as Horde tbh, from an RP perspective I figured my character was rolling his eyes at Nathanos and thinking "for goodness sake, the Burning Legion are invading and all you care about is attacking the worgen? Jeez...", although at least from our viewpoint it was an unprovoked attack so I could see some point in defending ourselves.

But the whole faction conflict feels way too forced; I'd have liked that to be an optional sidequest that was ignorable rather than a major part of the zone that you had to do to reach the actually important quests (from my character's perspective). I had to rationalise it as my character thinking along the lines of "fine, if I do this for you will you shut up and give me some help looking for the Pillar? Ok, I'll do it then".
02/09/2016 05:06Posted by Rotimax
Playing as Horde I would rather aid Greymane than Sylvanas. Greymane may be guided by vengeful emotions but at least he isn't just evil like Sylvanas.

Maybe she is a bit on the dark side and i love it. If Blizzard decides to kill her off, WoW is dead to me.
We are the Forsaken. We will slaughter anyone who stands in our way!
02/09/2016 00:48Posted by Bertel
So I really hate being forced by game mechanics to act against the Kings orders helping Greymane rack the Skyfire in his blind hatred against the forsaken who are now the Aliiance's allies against the Legion and thereby directly cause of upstructing the war against the Legion.


Honestly..i like the Greyman action's in Stormheim,Sylvannas is not a perason to joke a round,and it's good she didnt get what she wanted.I did it as a horde.Anyone who is deep into lore,would know how and what Sylvannas is caplable of doing,she is far from nice,not annoying as Jain's char,but also not nice.The forsaken in the balance of the world have no more place.It's not in the natural order.

So go #teamgreymane
02/09/2016 04:36Posted by Bertel
Even when the orders are in direct conflict with what your King has ordered you to and worsen the chances of your whole world including yourself surviving?

Still you'd rather listen to some vengeful rage head out on personal vendeta


Funny how you ignored what I said, just to show that you're right:

02/09/2016 01:29Posted by Ciocolici
You can argue that it is not the perfect time, but is it the perfect time for Sylvanas to seek immortality and Val'kyr(s) for HER people? Is it the perfect time to use plague AGAIN, destroying the nature and the living?


Why do people not judge Sylvanas as well, for doing what she does, in a not perfect time as well?!
Sure... Genn is angry, Genn wants vengeance and so on, when the world is attacked by the Legion. But I understand him. He lost everything because of that banshee witch. He lost his son, his kingdon, even his identity as a King.
You guys should be judging Sylvanas as well, for the reasons I've already wrote in quote above, not only Genn.

02/09/2016 04:52Posted by Bubblebot
yes i really do not care. i am not a worgan. as a 'human' and 'nightelf' in wow. saving my planet is more important to me than some old !@#$ getting revenge, especially if it goes against the orders of the high king.


I don't care for Velen as well, why did I help his Exodar invasion? I don't care about a lot of things. But that's the story.

And Alliance is not only Humans and Night Elfs. If I play only as a worgen, that means I shouldn't give a buck about the other races? Damn.

So saving the planet is the most important thing for you? Then why are you not so ANGRY for the quests which have nothing to do with the invasion as well? There are many, where it says "hey traveler, go kill for me 10 bla bla bla 'cause I want their fur", you should be like "LOL FKOFF, I NEED TO SAVE AZEROTH".
The horde vs alliance conflict never felt this forced before.

The legion takes priority over anything else at the moment.
The the military asset that was the Skyfire it now a wreck because of Genn and Rogers personal revenge
I would like to smack them with the flat side of my ashbringer for this

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