valentines dungeon event and CHEATS ?

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Another thing is that people don't interrupt the sprays.

And yes, it happened again someone died by standing in the pools. The first time I saw it the tank was not holding the two mobs that are tauntable.

Even then the tank is holding the mobs in the pools so DPS have to stand in them.
11/02/2017 22:14Posted by Zelalu
You're both missing the point. The point is that players queue up as healers for faster queues while not performing the role they opted in for. Wether you can clear x without a healer or not is rather irrelevant.

No one complains about healers dpsing, but dpsers cutting the queue by signing up as a role they have no intention of fullfilling.


So you want them to queue as DPS and make the queus longer for EVERYONE? Becuse you think that "healers must heal even if they do not do any healing and just stand around picking thier noses?"
If healing classes sign upp as healers and do dmg and thus "cutting in line" it makes it go faster for everyone than if they signed as DPS and waited around for a healer to sign and dont do any dmg but rather just stand around.

Why is this a problem at all?

It is like saying that it is cheating for a busdriver to have a drivinglicense becuse if they had that they would drive cars and not buses.
12/02/2017 03:53Posted by Dottie
Another thing is that people don't interrupt the sprays.

And yes, it happened again someone died by standing in the pools. The first time I saw it the tank was not holding the two mobs that are tauntable.

Even then the tank is holding the mobs in the pools so DPS have to stand in them.


Its another thing if players are idiots, they really need healing, but if someone brain is functioning properly and he notice that the pools on the ground are not decoration + the tank not watching pornhub and !@#$%^-*!ing instad of tanking then its pretty simple
12/02/2017 00:12Posted by Dottie
So that's why I was just in a group with a ret healer and 2 people died?

Edit: Don't you just love forum warriors who think that downvoting actually matters?


1. Dont stand in !@#$ on the ground.
2. DPS.
3. Win and be happy.

Re: Grainne.

I was in a run earlier with my holy priest, level 91, but our "tank" was a windwalker monk who was too retarded to use the perfume neutralisers. In fact none of the dpsers used it. Needless to say it was hell to heal people with two deaths for the frost dk, one death for a warlock and I died as well from all the aggro I got. Not to mention that all four dpsers were too frigging stupid to focus on one apothecary at a time.

Ironically the idiot windwalker "tank" didn't die.

The people in this thread just don't know how bad runs of this kind look like.


Bolded part the what now?
I never bothered with anything like that i stay at 100% anyway, with or without healer. (And i most of the time dont even bother to move out of the bad stuff on the ground either)
it is not hard, but if the tank do not taunt the other 2 mobs, and dps aint the brightest, you can be in for a suprice there, I am so overgeard for it so for me it is not a huge problem, but even I if I stand in bad take quite a lot of dmg, and then have 1 of the bosses on you it can become slighty messy.

So you want them to queue as DPS and make the queus longer for EVERYONE? Becuse you think that "healers must heal even if they do not do any healing and just stand around picking thier noses?"


Are you dense or did you simply not read? I have no problem whatsoever with healers dpsing when no one needs healing, as a matter of fact that's one of the things that separate decent healers from great ones, their ability to dps when the situation allows it - and some are really great at it.

Someone mentioned the Preach series about healers, I just thought it'd be worth mentioning it again, it's quite good.


If healing classes sign upp as healers and do dmg and thus "cutting in line" it makes it go faster for everyone than if they signed as DPS and waited around for a healer to sign and dont do any dmg but rather just stand around.

Why is this a problem at all?

Because, and again, they sign up as one role and perform another, the content where this happens doesn't really matter, be it LFR, this short event, or a random heroic dungeon - you sign up for the role you want, and can perform in, not the one that has the shortest queue.


It is like saying that it is cheating for a busdriver to have a drivinglicense becuse if they had that they would drive cars and not buses.


You're making no sense at all with that.. But okay.
While you might not need a healer this is the first year we've been able to try getting that mount on other than max level characters. Not everyone has the mindset (and time) to become really decent even on the few characters he plays the most, now he can also bring that lvl 16 AH alt from that realm he visits once a month? And those two lvl 60 DKs he made just to see what they look like, mostly?

Admittedly not seen a wipe but I did see a few deaths, and when going on a healer I notice some players are very bad at getting out of stuff. So they'd effectively die from stupidity if I suddenly had to heal the tank (maybe a DPS DK) a lot, but when you have a healer in totally wrong spec not healing there's at least some grounds to discuss who is at fault.
12/02/2017 00:12Posted by Dottie
So that's why I was just in a group with a ret healer and 2 people died?


Probably because they stood in the fire and didn't use any of their defensives. It's the only way to die in this "dungeon".

11/02/2017 22:14Posted by Zelalu
You're both missing the point. The point is that players queue up as healers for faster queues while not performing the role they opted in for. Wether you can clear x without a healer or not is rather irrelevant.


I don't think anybody is missing this point, but the fact people are even doing it to skip the queue makes no sense. As a healer, it shaves maybe one minute off an otherwise two minute queue for a DPS/tank.

Regardless, the amount of people who sign up as a healer or a tank who have no idea how to heal or tank even though they're specced correctly is just as dangerous. Why doesn't anybody care about that?
I run it with 15-20 chars every day, most lvl100, some real low. Sometimes with the healers i hardly have to heal and dps most of the time, sometimes im healing my &*^% off and actually yesterday had someone die.

My low lvl healers, 1 priest (19) and 1 druid (39), havent had problems at all and are healing lvl 110's... but ive found that the scaling is sometimes not right. Its hard to test though. My lvl19 twinks seem to do a lot more dps than top lvls. (can be mathematically correct ofc)
Whereas a lvl 99 healing druid did have problems and i couldnt keep the lvl 110 tank up.

Scaling...
11/02/2017 22:24Posted by Trashbringer
I queue as healer/tank for fast queues, you should be happy for my 1mil+ DPS to speed it up a lot


Those 10-20 secs saves me alot. Thanks for saving all that time for me with you awsome dps.
I heal if I queue as a healer but sometimes the healing does not scale well. I'm currently running the instance on 50 chars a day.

I can heal my butt off on some and it barely heals up the group and others it works fine. Of course the group also expects to be able to stand in everything and just dps.
11/02/2017 22:14Posted by Zelalu
No one complains about healers dpsing, but dpsers cutting the queue by signing up as a role they have no intention of fullfilling.


You do understand that by "cutting" the queue dps signing as healers actually speed it up for everybody else as more groups gets filled up and can start the dungeon? I'd advice that anyone who can pick healer should do that so we all wait shorter.
i que as healer with all my characters i just can.
Then, i do healing if needed, if not, i contribute as much to dps as i can.
Is this all you have to worry about?
11/02/2017 21:55Posted by Mediw
i mean 70% of healers that are in team for valentine dungeon run are dps? cant you at least make it that if you want to queue as healer you are in healer spec and gear ?
cheers


I've encountered this once.
11/02/2017 22:14Posted by Zelalu
No one complains about healers dpsing, but dpsers cutting the queue by signing up as a role they have no intention of fullfilling.


what you are not getting is that if more people sign as tank/healer for this event the que also becomes faster for people who can only que as dps.
14/02/2017 00:33Posted by Tomsboll
what you are not getting is that if more people sign as tank/healer for this event the que also becomes faster for people who can only que as dps.


Rubbish. Just a justification for people abusing the role selection for content they feel is beneath them.
14/02/2017 00:13Posted by Someoneelse
11/02/2017 21:55Posted by Mediw
i mean 70% of healers that are in team for valentine dungeon run are dps? cant you at least make it that if you want to queue as healer you are in healer spec and gear ?
cheers


I've encountered this once.

Try doing it on 48 characters a day (2 are level 1 bankers) and then tell me you've seen it once, I see it 50% of the time that someone is the wrong spec, usually if someone is 99 or below it's the wrong spec for tank or healing sometimes both.

And yes it does matter, especially when you're topping the threat as DPS and both tauntable mobs are on a clothie.
11/02/2017 22:14Posted by Zelalu
You're both missing the point. The point is that players queue up as healers for faster queues while not performing the role they opted in for. Wether you can clear x without a healer or not is rather irrelevant.

No one complains about healers dpsing, but dpsers cutting the queue by signing up as a role they have no intention of fullfilling.


Oh, so your trying to say that you actually like waiting 20 mins for the queue to pop up? So far your the only one that i know, so... no.
you know, either that or your just jelly cause we are so 'good' at the game, we can skip a tank and heal role and just brute force our way in and out. Who knows..

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