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7.2.5 PTR Feedback
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Welcome to the Patch 7.2.5 Public Test Realm! To kick off this phase of 7.2.5 development, we’d like to take a moment to give you a short synopsis of our major goals and content for this patch, as well as what you’ll be able to experience once PTR realms are active.

Similar to Patch 7.1.5, 7.2.5 is what we’re considering a “smaller” patch for Legion. That said, it still has some pretty substantial content updates, including:
  • An epic, time-twisting questline involving everyone’s favorite walking paradox: Chromie!
  • An assortment of new events, including the Auction House Dance Party, the Moonkin Festival, and a transmog competition we’re calling the Trial of Style.
  • Three words: Black Temple Timewalking.

Another key focus for this patch is on class design, particularly for a few specs that need some extra attention. We’re likely to end up making adjustments for many specs to some degree, but we’re currently looking primarily at:
  • Destruction Warlocks
  • Outlaw and Subtlety Rogues
  • Brewmaster and Mistweaver Monks
  • Havoc Demon Hunters
  • Guardian Druids

Once the PTR realms are live, the Trial of Style will be available for testing, as well as some of our initial class changes. Talk to Flaskataur in Dalaran to test out the Trial of Style. We’re currently planning to bring the PTR realms up later this week, depending on how this initial deploy goes – we’ll let you know how things progress.

Thanks, and happy testing!
I sill hope it's a lated April's Fool.

I mean, the MC Event was the worst thing i've ever seen dungeon-wise and now you are trying to bringt BT as TW Raid?!

~Nirm
Nothing for fire mages?They need more help than monks and demon hunters combined.
What about Enhancement? What about all the speccs that are performing lowest? Enhancement was fine until 7.1. then they dropped of to nearly worst melee dps. Huge RNG dependend, no real competetive ST dmg, weak AOE, cleve is also not even good.

Will there be at least a dmg increase so we can compete with other classes?

I dont want to be #1 but at least have a place where we have the chance to compete with others
enhancement shamans go unnoticed yet they need help more than any of the specs mentioned in the thread, but we know how things gonna play out, throw that aura buff on us with that horribly designed 4pc that has bad synergy with our spec mechanics since RNG will screw you anyways, and call it a day ! What kind of meme is "Havoc demon hunters" like what ? with all respect to demon hunters out there, their performance is pretty decent at the moment compared to fire mages, enhance shamans and few other specs that get stomped on damage and yet no attention to those at all !
Looking forward!
RIP
Enhc, Bdks, fire mages, ferals.

Maybe next expansion folks -_-
Once the ptr is up, will the classes that are getting a rework be "reworked" or is that coming later?
Enhs don`t need focus?
Where the enhance shaman, we have a good design?
Really Blizzard?

Havoc Demon Hunters need attention and Enhancement Shamans are fine?

You surely like to troll us.
blizzard, please tell us shamans that you arent focusing attention on functional specs, while ignoring the glaring issues with enhancement.

currently, there's only 1 artifact trait that performs better than "whatever has the highest ilvl", pushing our gearing towards very few sources of weapon upgrades.

our 4pc t20 bonus is only really worth a damn when combined with the 2pc tier 19 bonus, which makes 6 tier pieces mandatory, and causes even less gearing flexibility.

our spec's extremely high dependance on procs, for both resource generation, and output, leaves us with very limited trinket choices.

currently the only legendaries not conflicting with above gear, while still providing a meaningful output increase in raid encounters are wrists and ring, leaving us with another 2 mandatory gear pieces.

given the above situation, we have 3 gear slots open we can populate with our preferred stats, and a mostly suboptimal stat distribution on our mandatory pieces. which lead me to... scaling...

so far 7.2 has shown enhance artifact traits to scale poorly compared to other classes, a problem that absolutely wont solve itself by making sure we cant work around it by farming harder for optimal gear pieces.

on top of all this, our gear choices greatly affects our "proc to proc proc we can spend procced resources on" gameplay, and with so many sub optimal pieces, we will suffer from even greater inconsistency than currently.

this makes us the current lowest performing output spec, scaling worse than our competitors, with higher inconsistency (lower mobility, lower survivability, and harsher punishment for movement or target switching).

these issues arent even touching on gameplay yet, where enhance has some glaring issues, the primary one being our backwards rewarding gameplay, where we know we're doing well if we're spamming the same button most of the fight, and are rewarded with low output when we execute otherwise engaging gameplay perfectly.

on top of that we have talents that negatively effects gameplay like fury of air, with its random ninjapulls, further punishment for dealing with mechanics, and reduction in up front burst damage. next to that we have talents that have no effect on gameplay at all, we pick because "meh, if it stands in the pool once every minute, its like marginally more output than not choosing a talent at all"

the enhancement community has been very good at actually addressing these issues, but so far there has been a complete lack of acknowledgement from blizzards side, which is leading to great frustration.
12/04/2017 09:44Posted by Goldenleg
Really Blizzard?

Havoc Demon Hunters need attention and Enhancement Shamans are fine?

You surely like to troll us.
attention does not mean a buff its quite possible that they are planing to bring them down as they have mentioned before these balance patches are as much about bringing classes that are performing too well back in line, and given the nature of the boss fights in TOS its quite possible that DH single target needs to be re evaluated.

12/04/2017 09:35Posted by Shamanase
RIP
Enhc, Bdks, fire mages, ferals.

Maybe next expansion folks -_-

12/04/2017 09:40Posted by Токрим
Enhs don`t need focus?

12/04/2017 09:42Posted by Мурада
Where the enhance shaman, we have a good design?

12/04/2017 09:27Posted by Polv
What about Enhancement? What about all the speccs that are performing lowest? Enhancement was fine until 7.1. then they dropped of to nearly worst melee dps. Huge RNG dependend, no real competetive ST dmg, weak AOE, cleve is also not even good.

Will there be at least a dmg increase so we can compete with other classes?

I dont want to be #1 but at least have a place where we have the chance to compete with others

12/04/2017 09:28Posted by Xtacy
enhancement shamans go unnoticed yet they need help more than any of the specs mentioned in the thread, but we know how things gonna play out, throw that aura buff on us with that horribly designed 4pc that has bad synergy with our spec mechanics since RNG will screw you anyways, and call it a day ! What kind of meme is "Havoc demon hunters" like what ? with all respect to demon hunters out there, their performance is pretty decent at the moment compared to fire mages, enhance shamans and few other specs that get stomped on damage and yet no attention to those at all !


at no point did they say they wont be looking at these classes, just that they are currently focusing on the classes mentioned. they specifically said there will be more class balances. and are likely to be making adjustments to many specs. it has been mentioned in the past they for each balance patch they pick a few classes to do some in depth re analysis and redesign, giving them a level of attention that normally can only be given to a class going between expansions, it is unreasonable to expect the development team to be able to give this degree of focus to all classes every patch and as has been proven in the past doing so leads to a lower quality of class changes. that is not to say they are ignore other classes, it has been categorically stated in the blue post. although they are focusing on the aforementioned classes they will also be making changes to many other classes and specs.

so where precisely is the issue?
I hope they buff demon blades back to how it originally was tbh.

Edit: This is our fury generator(and it all depends on luck)

Second edit: Apparently they're buffing it to 100% (If the datamine is true :D)
How about you work on something that is margins behind every other spec in game... lets say.... fire...
i agree with the destro and rogue ones. but i feel like mm needs help aswell. spamming arcane shot is not fun at all
12/04/2017 09:48Posted by Burninghate
12/04/2017 09:44Posted by Goldenleg
Really Blizzard?

Havoc Demon Hunters need attention and Enhancement Shamans are fine?

You surely like to troll us.
attention does not mean a buff its quite possible that they are planing to bring them down as they have mentioned before these balance patches are as much about bringing classes that are performing too well back in line, and given the nature of the boss fights in TOS its quite possible that DH single target needs to be re evaluated.

12/04/2017 09:35Posted by Shamanase
RIP
Enhc, Bdks, fire mages, ferals.

Maybe next expansion folks -_-

12/04/2017 09:40Posted by Токрим
Enhs don`t need focus?

12/04/2017 09:42Posted by Мурада
Where the enhance shaman, we have a good design?

12/04/2017 09:27Posted by Polv
What about Enhancement? What about all the speccs that are performing lowest? Enhancement was fine until 7.1. then they dropped of to nearly worst melee dps. Huge RNG dependend, no real competetive ST dmg, weak AOE, cleve is also not even good.

Will there be at least a dmg increase so we can compete with other classes?

I dont want to be #1 but at least have a place where we have the chance to compete with others

12/04/2017 09:28Posted by Xtacy
enhancement shamans go unnoticed yet they need help more than any of the specs mentioned in the thread, but we know how things gonna play out, throw that aura buff on us with that horribly designed 4pc that has bad synergy with our spec mechanics since RNG will screw you anyways, and call it a day ! What kind of meme is "Havoc demon hunters" like what ? with all respect to demon hunters out there, their performance is pretty decent at the moment compared to fire mages, enhance shamans and few other specs that get stomped on damage and yet no attention to those at all !


at no point did they say they wont be looking at these classes, just that they are currently focusing on the classes mentioned. they specifically said there will be more class balances. and are likely to be making adjustments to many specs. it has been mentioned in the past they for each balance patch they pick a few classes to do some in depth re analysis and redesign, giving them a level of attention that normally can only be given to a class going between expansions, it is unreasonable to expect the development team to be able to give this degree of focus to all classes every patch and as has been proven in the past doing so leads to a lower quality of class changes. that is not to say they are ignore other classes, it has been categorically stated in the blue post. although they are focusing on the aforementioned classes they will also be making changes to many other classes and specs.

so where precisely is the issue?


The issue is that the shaman community made 2 perfect analysis threads explaining all problems our spec has but had 0 FEEDBACK. And as you can see a lot of shamans feel the same way. I'm sorry if i sound ironic but blizzard sounds ironic too when they dont mention or even acknowledge half the specs that are having problems in their "Focus Class Design Patch thread"...
Timewalking Raid?

Blizzard, thank you for finally listening to the community. This question has been asked during conventions, panels and interviews.

I truly can't wait to shatters Illidan's plans to save Azerot-.... wait hold on?

Are we the baddies?
Please please please say these 725 changes will kill this god awful chaos strike spam build we currently have for raids.

The spec feels bad regardless of what happens.

Fantastic RNG = just spam chaos strike = boring

Bad RNG = more buttons to press = more enjoyable = less damage so you get annoyed waiting on fury to do better damage

IMO, the demonic build is a lot more enjoyable, but lacks the numbers for mythic raids.
12/04/2017 09:44Posted by Goldenleg
Really Blizzard?

Havoc Demon Hunters need attention and Enhancement Shamans are fine?

You surely like to troll us.


Our rotation is the problem. Havoc is boring to play in raids. Enh shamans don't have this problem.

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