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14/11/2017 11:23Posted by Postura


sure people who invest more time do harder content deserve to be equal to people who farm world quests for loot are you kidding?


Nope. We're all people playing the game and we all like to feel our character can keep progressing.

14/11/2017 11:23Posted by Postura

also if you do lower content than raids or mythic + 15 you deserve lower gear


That's your opinion. Blizzard disagrees. Maybe it's time to quit?

14/11/2017 11:23Posted by Postura

you haven't even touched heroic and almost have the same itemlevel as me.


So? Again; how is this ANY problem to you?
The fact that this bothers you so much says enough.

YOU don't deserve rewards because you are egocentric, selfish and petty.
That's MY opinion.

The fact that I have spent many hours in the game doing the content I enjoy doesn't make me any less deserving of the things I have. End. Of. Story.
I hate that system cuz it make us feel like we need to have the highest titanforge proc on every item when we dont, they need just to bring back the upgrade system alongside titanforging to help the hard working players get the best gear not just the lucky ones
13/11/2017 14:37Posted by Ralphè
And like Ion said, it makes the game more boring because once you get the pieces you want there is no reason to bother doing the raid or anything again. While now i will keep doing raids and other things because i ll be really happy if i get some huge titanforged item, it is another layer to gearing which isnt mandatory.


Let me be frank here. Ion is one of the worst designers ever to disgrace WoW.
He has no idea what he's doing and acts about as professionally as a chocolate doorstop.
He should be let go immediately and someone else who actually knows how the game works put in charge.

And if you are dedicated raider you wont get outgeared by a guy who got lucky and got 1-2 huge titanforging pieces.

And the fact that some people are so annoyed that some others got lucky suggests a heavy level of unhealthy jealousy

Maybe it is better to focus inwards instead of looking what others have, it makes life and game a lot more enjoyable ;^)


You are completely wrong on all counts. You can be dedicated as hell and never get a good titanforge, while some person who joins for one run can get 955s constantly.
It's pure chance. You clearly have a personality that is drawn to casino type games. You go you and all, but I'd rather that kind of purely random chance not pollute raids to this extent.


I totally agree, you can run every difficulty there is as a completely crazy dedicated raider forever chasing that amazing TF level item and never get it. This system is purely RNG. RNG isn't a very fair reward system when it comes to upgrading loot.

If the levels of RNG on the items was limited it wouldn't feel like you are being !@#$ed over all the time. I get a base item of 930 in mythic and I feel sad, I have gear from normal higher than that. It just doesn't feel rewarding. Not to mention you have x number of people on the same tier token, not only does that tier token have to drop, everyone in raid has to already have at least a base line item of that raid difficulty, then it has to be me that actually wins the token over all the other raiders and then that tier token actually has to proc higher than what I have. I can reroll/bonus too, which I do but yay AP token!!!
14/11/2017 12:10Posted by Deanna

Tahra has never stepped foot in PvE end content. (Aka anything above LFR).


Raid-wise. Very true. I did do some mythic+ to help out some guildies. Didn't enjoy it. So if I can help it, I won't do that kind of content.

14/11/2017 12:10Posted by Deanna

Tahra outgears a character of mine I always do heroic clear and weekly +10 with. What's the incentive to raid when you can literally AFK in front of a slot machine and end up better?


First of all; 'literally AFK'. That's not what I do. AT ALL.
Stop exaggerating. I play the content I like. I'm not afking. I'm not being handed stuff by doing NOTHING. Nobody is. Because that's not how this game works.
Stop the blatant lying.

Second: Whats the incentive? How about 'because you enjoy it'?
Seems like the best incentive there is. You could dangle the best gear in the world in front of my nose and I still wouldn't set foot in a mythic raid, because I HATE that content. I'm not ruining my fun for a reward (although I've ventured pretty close to the edge with that one... I've done pvp and such just because I wanted a certain reward, didn't enjoy it, but did it anyway. But mythic content is just a step too far).

Third: Know how I got this ilvl? Not by doing nothing. The exact opposite.
I worked my !@# off. Spent hours upon hours doing content. And then once in a while I get lucky with a proc. That's not the reason I did it, but it was fun nonetheless, because I enjoyed what I was doing. Would I have done it if there wasn't a reward involved? Depends, at first yeah of course, I just want to have some fun. But that fun would become less fairly quickly and that would probably have lead to quitting the game (at least until new content got added). But with this system I stuck around and worked my $%^ off.

I'm far from a 'casual' when it comes to playtime. I'm just 'casual' in the way I look at content. I find it utter nonsense that when I do content at a certain difficulty level, to then do that content AGAIN but more difficult. That does not make ANY sense to me. Difficulty is NOT fun. Not to me.

14/11/2017 12:10Posted by Deanna

Where is your character power curve in Legion? Nowhere, it doesn't exist anymore, it's completely randomized and triviliazed by TF. It kills the sense of progression.


Not by TF; by RNG. TF is just one of the systems that deploys this RNG. Stop blaming one system for something that's caused by numerous sources.
Make a thread asking for less RNG. Fine with me. TF is staying, they already said. No use to keep crying about it without a good reason (which I have already established in earlier replies, you guys do not have).

14/11/2017 12:10Posted by Deanna

Devs said there are changes coming to TF. They didn't specify. With a bit of good luck, it's a +10 cap, with 2 ilvls per upgrade. And some pieces won't titanforge anymore as they said.


That would ruin the system and make it worthless. They are not putting a worthless system into the game. That'd be silly.
Reading the thread, in summary

1)People doing harder content still get better gear

2)Ilevel isnt the be all, people use items that are better but lower ilevel which can make the gap seem smaller

3) Some feel it 'spoils their fun' if the gap between themselves and people doing less difficult content i'snt big enough

All summed up correctly?

I guess the only thing id ask is to those who feel it spoils their fun, why? your gear is still better so why does the size of the gap matter?. Diminishing returns have always been a thing in games.

What do you derive your fun from? beating the challenge and the camaraderie of the teamwork? or seeing the gap on an armory page between yourselves and non-raiders being sufficiently high enough to massage your ego?.
14/11/2017 11:32Posted by Izyla
You haven't even touched mythic and you almost have the same itemlvl as me.


Ha, I have not even touched heroic and have bigger ilvl just because of forging.
When you post a topic in the forums that concerns raiding and you see a non-raider telling you how ignorant you are never ever quote his comment, just ignore them. I am telling you there isn't anything in the world you can say to persuade him otherwise. Half of the topic is wasted on pointless arguing with people, that just don't know where the hell they are.
And yes titanforging is the worst thing in Legion atm and it should be fixed and they said they will rework it. We don't know how exactly.
14/11/2017 14:20Posted by Ravinee
All summed up correctly?


No missing a lot of points.
14/11/2017 14:19Posted by Tahra
14/11/2017 12:10Posted by Deanna

Tahra has never stepped foot in PvE end content. (Aka anything above LFR).


Raid-wise. Very true. I did do some mythic+ to help out some guildies. Didn't enjoy it. So if I can help it, I won't do that kind of content.

14/11/2017 12:10Posted by Deanna

Tahra outgears a character of mine I always do heroic clear and weekly +10 with. What's the incentive to raid when you can literally AFK in front of a slot machine and end up better?


First of all; 'literally AFK'. That's not what I do. AT ALL.
Stop exaggerating. I play the content I like. I'm not afking. I'm not being handed stuff by doing NOTHING. Nobody is. Because that's not how this game works.
Stop the blatant lying.

Second: Whats the incentive? How about 'because you enjoy it'?
Seems like the best incentive there is. You could dangle the best gear in the world in front of my nose and I still wouldn't set foot in a mythic raid, because I HATE that content. I'm not ruining my fun for a reward (although I've ventured pretty close to the edge with that one... I've done pvp and such just because I wanted a certain reward, didn't enjoy it, but did it anyway. But mythic content is just a step too far).

Third: Know how I got this ilvl? Not by doing nothing. The exact opposite.
I worked my !@# off. Spent hours upon hours doing content. And then once in a while I get lucky with a proc. That's not the reason I did it, but it was fun nonetheless, because I enjoyed what I was doing. Would I have done it if there wasn't a reward involved? Depends, at first yeah of course, I just want to have some fun. But that fun would become less fairly quickly and that would probably have lead to quitting the game (at least until new content got added). But with this system I stuck around and worked my $%^ off.

I'm far from a 'casual' when it comes to playtime. I'm just 'casual' in the way I look at content. I find it utter nonsense that when I do content at a certain difficulty level, to then do that content AGAIN but more difficult. That does not make ANY sense to me. Difficulty is NOT fun. Not to me.

14/11/2017 12:10Posted by Deanna

Where is your character power curve in Legion? Nowhere, it doesn't exist anymore, it's completely randomized and triviliazed by TF. It kills the sense of progression.


Not by TF; by RNG. TF is just one of the systems that deploys this RNG. Stop blaming one system for something that's caused by numerous sources.
Make a thread asking for less RNG. Fine with me. TF is staying, they already said. No use to keep crying about it without a good reason (which I have already established in earlier replies, you guys do not have).

14/11/2017 12:10Posted by Deanna

Devs said there are changes coming to TF. They didn't specify. With a bit of good luck, it's a +10 cap, with 2 ilvls per upgrade. And some pieces won't titanforge anymore as they said.


That would ruin the system and make it worthless. They are not putting a worthless system into the game. That'd be silly.


are you high? how in the world does farming crystal and doing world quests equal high end gear. if you wanted to progress you need to do high content blizzard is destroying raid progression. you are getting free hand outs because you get the same gear while i do harder content i outgear some mythic raiders how in the world can you defend such a system you might aswell put a casino in the game that rewards titanforged gear. if we cap it and decrease it to 5 warforged and 10 titanforged the problems is solved you still get a stat increase but you will never surpass the higher content.

i do think world quest are whatever you do for that gear is not hard at all no matter how much time you spend on it.
I hate that system cuz it make us feel like we need to have the highest titanforge proc on every item when we dont, they need just to bring back the upgrade system alongside titanforging to help the hard working players get the best gear not just the lucky ones

That is the issue, it feels like that so maybe controlling your feelings would be a way to deal with it.
It isnt necessary, you tell yourself it is.

I wont obsess over not getting some titanforged piece, i ll get the base piece, try for a titanforge but wont get angry when it doesnt drop because the titanforge system is luck based low change with huge reward, which is what makes it worth me redoing that content.

14/11/2017 14:38Posted by Postura
are you high? how in the world does farming crystal and doing world quests equal high end gear. if you wanted to progress you need to do high content blizzard is destroying raid progression. you are getting free hand outs because you get the same gear while i do harder content i outgear some mythic raiders how in the world can you defend such a system you might aswell put a casino in the game that rewards titanforged gear. if we cap it and decrease it to 5 warforged and 10 titanforged the problems is solved you still get a stat increase but you will never surpass the higher content.

i do think world quest are whatever you do for that gear is not hard at all no matter how much time you spend on it.

Do you believe your value as a human being is based on your ilvl? Because you are obsessing over other people's ilvl a lot and get annoyed if someone gets lucky.

You arent losing anything. You simply dont want others to get some stuff.

And Tahra isnt even that lucky, only has a 935 titanforged ring which is the only thing that requires some luck to get since 5-10 ilvl is literally nothing and that is why if they did what you suggested nobody would bother redoing content for it.
14/11/2017 14:46Posted by Ralphè
I hate that system cuz it make us feel like we need to have the highest titanforge proc on every item when we dont, they need just to bring back the upgrade system alongside titanforging to help the hard working players get the best gear not just the lucky ones

That is the issue, it feels like that so maybe controlling your feelings would be a way to deal with it.
It isnt necessary, you tell yourself it is.

I wont obsess over not getting some titanforged piece, i ll get the base piece, try for a titanforge but wont get angry when it doesnt drop because the titanforge system is luck based low change with huge reward, which is what makes it worth me redoing that content.

14/11/2017 14:38Posted by Postura
are you high? how in the world does farming crystal and doing world quests equal high end gear. if you wanted to progress you need to do high content blizzard is destroying raid progression. you are getting free hand outs because you get the same gear while i do harder content i outgear some mythic raiders how in the world can you defend such a system you might aswell put a casino in the game that rewards titanforged gear. if we cap it and decrease it to 5 warforged and 10 titanforged the problems is solved you still get a stat increase but you will never surpass the higher content.

i do think world quest are whatever you do for that gear is not hard at all no matter how much time you spend on it.

Do you believe your value as a human being is based on your ilvl? Because you are obsessing over other people's ilvl a lot and get annoyed if someone gets lucky.

You arent losing anything. You simply dont want others to get some stuff.

And Tahra isnt even that lucky, only has a 935 titanforged ring which is the only thing that requires some luck to get since 5-10 ilvl is literally nothing and that is why if they did what you suggested nobody would bother redoing content for it.


because doing raids is the end game content why would anyone do higher content if the ilvl + stats are the same on lfr or whatever.
my suggestion is do 5 warforged and 10 titanforged make it a small % and people would still rerun content for that gear. you need to be at the highest at one point not be on par with someone who only does world quests.
14/11/2017 14:38Posted by Postura

are you high?


No, I don't do drugs. Are you high?

14/11/2017 14:38Posted by Postura

how in the world does farming crystal and doing world quests equal high end gear.


It obviously does according to you. Check my ilvl.

14/11/2017 14:38Posted by Postura

if you wanted to progress you need to do high content


In the old days yes. Not anymore. Maybe those Classic servers would be better for you?

14/11/2017 14:38Posted by Postura

blizzard is destroying raid progression.


It's fine.

14/11/2017 14:38Posted by Postura

you are getting free hand outs because you get the same gear while i do harder content


They are not free. I work hard for them DOING THE CONTENT I ENJOY. You do harder content, so what? STOP BEING SO JEALOUS MAN!

14/11/2017 14:38Posted by Postura

i outgear some mythic raiders how in the world can you defend such a system


Because I'm not petty. I'm not jealous. What matters to me is having fun in the game I enjoy. And TF helps me to do that.
How can you defend an old archaic system where people are divided into groups and where some of those groups are treated as second class citizens?! We all pay the same sub. We all play the same game. Enjoy the content YOU enjoy and leave others to enjoy the content they enjoy.

14/11/2017 14:38Posted by Postura

if we cap it and decrease it to 5 warforged and 10 titanforged the problems is solved you still get a stat increase but you will never surpass the higher content.


The problem is not solved. It ruins an entire system. It makes it into something to ignore. That's not what Blizzard wants. They don't want you to ignore their systems. They want you to use them as they are intended.
25-30 is the magic number. Not too big a difference to raiding. And you can keep saying that it's too much, but it's not. It's not. It's not. It's not.*

* I'm taking a page from your book and just keep repeating the same thing over and over.

14/11/2017 14:38Posted by Postura

i do think world quest are whatever you do for that gear is not hard at all no matter how much time you spend on it.


Who says it has to be hard?! Noone!
Effort! That's what matters, right?! I'm definitely putting in effort.
How else would you describe spending over 75 days played time on my main alone at max lvl? Would you call that afking? I would call that 'effort'.

I know you disagree, but I earned every bit of gear I have. If you can't respect the work someone has put into his or her character because your frail ego can't handle someone else having some nice things too, then you, my friend, are toxic.

Be happy for others instead of jealous. If you can't do this, go do something else.
Seriously. This isn't going to change and judging from your frantic replies you might pop a vein some time soon due to this.

I've said it before, but I sincerely mean it; get help.
Talk to someone. You are not well.
14/11/2017 14:52Posted by Postura
because doing raids is the end game content why would anyone do higher content if the ilvl + stats are the same on lfr or whatever.

First of all, lets keep one thing clear.
They are not the same ilvl from lfr, lfr gear is crap with some 0.00001% chance to titanforge a lot.

But since that chance is so tiny i wont always bother with LFR unless im rly bored.

Mythic is still the best way to get good gear because of the high base ilvl and good chance for 5-10 ilvls more compared to the 0.000001 chance to have something titanforge 25-30 levels from lfr.

Also people do raids
-It is fun
-Progression
-Bragging rights
@tahra sorry but you don't understand the basics of gaming.

14/11/2017 15:13Posted by Ralphè
14/11/2017 14:52Posted by Postura
because doing raids is the end game content why would anyone do higher content if the ilvl + stats are the same on lfr or whatever.

First of all, lets keep one thing clear.
They are not the same ilvl from lfr, lfr gear is crap with some 0.00001% chance to titanforge a lot.

But since that chance is so tiny i wont always bother with LFR unless im rly bored.

Mythic is still the best way to get good gear because of the high base ilvl and good chance for 5-10 ilvls more compared to the 0.000001 chance to have something titanforge 25-30 levels from lfr.

Also people do raids
-It is fun
-Progression
-Bragging rights


im saying gear shouldn't scale over the next tier and the best gear shouldn't be 955 but 940. at 1 point the raids should be done you got your best stuff you do the highest damage and if you like you can do the extra stuff for that 10 ilvl increase but the 930 is mabye 20k behind on dps of the 940 thats it.but do whatever content over and over for mabye that small chance of getting that 955 is bad game design i wanna do the raid and have a chance of getting the gear i want not run 5 raids finally get the piece i need but its not titanforged so its trash. like i said the rng aspect is too much in gear atm might aswell put a casino in the game for loot.
14/11/2017 15:25Posted by Postura
im saying gear shouldn't scale over the next tier and the best gear shouldn't be 955 but 940.


Oh so now your telling Mythic raiders we do not deserve better then 940 gear alright you are deffo trolling at this point.
I say again for the last time YOU HAVE NO RIGHT TO TELL ANYONE WHAT THEY DESERVE.
14/11/2017 15:25Posted by Postura
@tahra sorry but you don't understand the basics of gaming.


Mmmmh. Having fun? Enjoying yourself and relaxing?
I think I understand the basics just fine.

You're the one who has a twisted view on things mate.

14/11/2017 15:25Posted by Postura

im saying gear shouldn't scale over the next tier and the best gear shouldn't be 955 but 940.


Your opinion. You're not the one who gets to decide that, thankfully.

14/11/2017 15:25Posted by Postura

but do whatever content over and over for mabye that small chance of getting that 955 is bad game design


Your opinion. Not a fact (another game, D3, is made almost entirely based on this single thing, so there's definitely people who like it).

14/11/2017 15:25Posted by Postura

i wanna do the raid and have a chance of getting the gear i want not run 5 raids finally get the piece i need but its not titanforged so its trash. like i said the rng aspect is too much in gear atm might aswell put a casino in the game for loot.


RNG =/= TF. Go make a thread about RNG.

i wanna do the raid and have a chance of getting the gear i want

You do have that chance. You totally do.

not run 5 raids finally get the piece i need but its not titanforged so its trash

That's nobody's fault but your own. You don't need that 1 max proc. You just don't. Stop wanting it. Start making sense. Be realistic.
And most of all.... do the content you enjoy. Don't do the other stuff. You really don't need to.
14/11/2017 13:22Posted by Sunspot
Boils down to people heroic raiding (I've seen mythic progress on literally ONE of you) and crying because Johnny-no-name gets a 930 TF once in the entire expansion.


Have a look at my achievements, cheerio.
Geez, this is still ongoing?

I tell ye this from previous threads, you aren't going to change Tahra's mind lol.
14/11/2017 15:38Posted by Vassandra
14/11/2017 15:25Posted by Postura
im saying gear shouldn't scale over the next tier and the best gear shouldn't be 955 but 940.


Oh so now your telling Mythic raiders we do not deserve better then 940 gear alright you are deffo trolling at this point.
I say again for the last time YOU HAVE NO RIGHT TO TELL ANYONE WHAT THEY DESERVE.


ofc i can. if somebody wins the lottory and buys a mansion he doesn't deserve the mansion if somebody worked hard,studied hard and got a great job and buys a mansion he deserves it. thats faire and thats how the system should work

@tahra gaming is for progression and getting better wich lacks alot atm and yes if you don't do hard content even if you spent 75+ hours that does't equal killing for lets say mythic KJ. the gear is too high and titanforging needs to be capped. you might play for fun but i play for progression and being better than people who do lfr or normal because you wanna do the stuff you like thats fine but its not considert end content that why you deserve the lowest reward because it the easiest to do.
14/11/2017 15:55Posted by Tahamine
Geez, this is still ongoing?

I tell ye this from previous threads, you aren't going to change Tahra's mind lol.


Hi Taha, I miss seeing you around. :(

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