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14/11/2017 15:57Posted by Postura
ofc i can. if somebody wins the lottory and buys a mansion he doesn't deserve the mansion if somebody worked hard,studied hard and got a great job and buys a mansion he deserves it. thats faire and thats how the system should work


Bad analogy. Life ain't fair.
14/11/2017 15:57Posted by Moeraé
14/11/2017 15:55Posted by Tahamine
Geez, this is still ongoing?

I tell ye this from previous threads, you aren't going to change Tahra's mind lol.


Hi Taha, I miss seeing you around. :(
Sup, been posting on the overwatch forums aha ;)
14/11/2017 15:55Posted by Tahamine
Geez, this is still ongoing?

I tell ye this from previous threads, you aren't going to change Tahra's mind lol.


I'm trying to make Postura see sense actually.
You wouldn't believe the brainwashing that's been done on this guy.
Poor fella.
14/11/2017 16:00Posted by Tahamine
14/11/2017 15:57Posted by Moeraé
...

Hi Taha, I miss seeing you around. :(
Sup, been posting on the overwatch forums aha ;)


*lurks Overwatch forums* I hope I'll find ya!
14/11/2017 15:57Posted by Postura
ofc i can.


So you said the other day you could tell players below u in normal and lfr because you are better then them but you wouldnt tell a mythic raider because they work for gear .Now you are saying you can tell anyone what to wear .Ok ive reported you for trolling and flame baiting you are just making agruments for the fun of it .
14/11/2017 16:00Posted by Tahra
14/11/2017 15:55Posted by Tahamine
Geez, this is still ongoing?

I tell ye this from previous threads, you aren't going to change Tahra's mind lol.


I'm trying to make Postura see sense actually.
You wouldn't believe the brainwashing that's been done on this guy.
Poor fella.


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14/11/2017 16:03Posted by Vassandra
14/11/2017 15:57Posted by Postura
ofc i can.


So you said the other day you could tell players below u in normal and lfr because you are better then them but you wouldnt tell a mythic raider because they work for gear .Now you are saying you can tell anyone what to wear .Ok ive reported you for trolling and flame baiting you are just making agruments for the fun of it .
14/11/2017 16:03Posted by Vassandra
14/11/2017 15:57Posted by Postura
ofc i can.


So you said the other day you could tell players below u in normal and lfr because you are better then them but you wouldnt tell a mythic raider because they work for gear .Now you are saying you can tell anyone what to wear .Ok ive reported you for trolling and flame baiting you are just making agruments for the fun of it .


no i said i can tell what people deserve or not. if you can find that i really said that quote it
14/11/2017 02:03Posted by Destruct
That would actually take effort instead of dumb luck for a quarenteed reward,


Do you understand your own words? You contradict yourself in your first sentence.
'dumb luck' and 'guaranteed' don't go together. It's one or the other.

14/11/2017 02:03Posted by Destruct
It's exactly what Bliz wants now, incentives to weekly log in and keep farming raids even after you finished your weekly run! Only with quarenteed rewards and not based on dumb luck. Me:


What?! So much wrong with what you're saying there:
1) Yes of course Blizzard wants you to log in. Big duh.
2) You don't have to farm raids for TF. Simply because you don't HAVE to, but also because TF can occur from many different types of content.
3) Now you say its guaranteed and not based on luck? What? Make up your mind please!

14/11/2017 02:03Posted by Destruct

Post-WoD: "Why is everything from crafts to damned extra incentives damned RNG. Oh look a 4th one, crap still not even warforged or a socket!"


You already answered that yourself:

[quote]It's exactly what Bliz wants now, incentives to log in
I'm done with this person... I SAID INSTEAD OF! You're aren't reading my post you're defing a DIII system in WoW in essence. Since you don't even know what valor or the likes was it confirms to me, you joined In Legion. We used to have weekly icnentives that were for quarenteed rewards. VP and CP (although this had a catch-up to make PvP gearing fair) were the titanforges, only you had 1k valor a week which could have bought you gear and/or 4 upgrades (250 each for a +5). Aside from this you still had a chance to warforge to +6 (ToT, SoO and WoD).

But no that wasn't enough remove the quarenteed rewards and go for pure dumb luck that rewards grinding easy content countless times instead more than properly progressing (and doing less but harder content) for more chances. I used to grind dungeons like mad, now I don't touch them. One of the consequences to replace VP with TF, I'm not the only one I can quarentee you who now never does a dungeon anymore except for a single M+ for the cache. When raid bosses still gave VP I still joined raids even when fully geared because it was the most effective way to gain it, 120 per boss in raids vs 80 per hc dungeon.

14/11/2017 15:55Posted by Tahamine
Geez, this is still ongoing?

I tell ye this from previous threads, you aren't going to change Tahra's mind lol.
I don't know why I even try...
...

Do you understand your own words? You contradict yourself in your first sentence.
'dumb luck' and 'guaranteed' don't go together. It's one or the other.

...

What?! So much wrong with what you're saying there:
1) Yes of course Blizzard wants you to log in. Big duh.
2) You don't have to farm raids for TF. Simply because you don't HAVE to, but also because TF can occur from many different types of content.
3) Now you say its guaranteed and not based on luck? What? Make up your mind please!

...

You already answered that yourself:

[quote]It's exactly what Bliz wants now, incentives to log in
I'm done with this person... I SAID INSTEAD OF! You're aren't reading my post you're defing a DIII system in WoW in essence. Since you don't even know what valor or the likes was it confirms to me, you joined In Legion. We used to have weekly icnentives that were for quarenteed rewards. VP and CP (although this had a catch-up to make PvP gearing fair) were the titanforges, only you had 1k valor a week which could have bought you gear and/or 4 upgrades (250 each for a +5). Aside from this you still had a chance to warforge to +6 (ToT, SoO and WoD).

But no that wasn't enough remove the quarenteed rewards and go for pure dumb luck that rewards grinding easy content countless times instead more than properly progressing (and doing less but harder content) for more chances. I used to grind dungeons like mad, now I don't touch them. One of the consequences to replace VP with TF, I'm not the only one I can quarentee you who now never does a dungeon anymore except for a single M+ for the cache. When raid bosses still gave VP I still joined raids even when fully geared because it was the most effective way to gain it, 120 per boss in raids and 80 per hc dungeon.

14/11/2017 15:55Posted by Tahamine
Geez, this is still ongoing?

I tell ye this from previous threads, you aren't going to change Tahra's mind lol.
I don't know why I even try...
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We try because we wanna get casino players like tahra and Vassandra to understand.
14/11/2017 17:20Posted by Postura
We try because we wanna get casino players like tahra and Vassandra to understand.


Erm iam actually raiding the highest content where as you are not .All iam saying is you have no right to tell anyone ingame what they should have .I unlike you dont give a rats bottom what other people get iam not a shallow selfish person like you who goes about thinking he is better because of pixels in game .

I raid and have fun with and for my friends thats why iam better progressed then either you or destruct i might not be the worlds best player but i play for a team and not for items .
Get this into your thick head Post not everything about loot grow up a little and see the bigger picture.
The real reason why you wount raid mythic is because you know inside you are not the right material all you care about is the loot you dont have the right team work player mindsight.
You even admitted you would be pissed off if a guildie/team mate got a 955 you wouldnt say well done you would moan about it even thought it would help the TEAM.
14/11/2017 17:28Posted by Vassandra
14/11/2017 17:20Posted by Postura
We try because we wanna get casino players like tahra and Vassandra to understand.


Erm iam actually raiding the highest content where as you are not .All iam saying is you have no right to tell anyone ingame what they should have .I unlike you dont give a rats bottom what other people get iam not a shallow selfish person like you who goes about thinking he is better because of pixels in game .

I raid and have fun with and for my friends thats why iam better progressed then either you or destruct i might not be the worlds best player but i play for a team and not for items .
Get this into your thick head Post not everything about loot grow up a little and see the bigger picture.
The real reason why you wount raid mythic is because you know inside you are not the right material all you care about is the loot you dont have the right team work player mindsight.
You even admitted you would be pissed off if a guildie/team mate got a 955 you wouldnt say well done you would moan about it even thought it would help the TEAM.


ofc this kind of game is of progression and loot. you are right about the mythic part though i find it difficult to do. doesn't chance the fact that titanforging is ruining all progression in raids though. Btw you aren't higher progressed because you play for fun you are higher progressed because you are better and have a better guild that is also willing to do mythics.
14/11/2017 02:03Posted by Destruct
That would actually take effort instead of dumb luck for a quarenteed reward,


Do you understand your own words? You contradict yourself in your first sentence.
'dumb luck' and 'guaranteed' don't go together. It's one or the other.


I'm done with this person... I SAID INSTEAD OF!


Dude... relax. You're clearly not as well-versed in english, it's alright.
You said (and I quote)

take effort instead of dumb luck for a quarenteed reward


The 'instead of' relates to the 'taking effort' and the 'dumb luck for a quaranteed reward'. I was talking about the 'dumb luck' and 'the guaranteed reward'. These two don't mix. You're either getting a guaranteed reward. Or you get it by being lucky. Luck is never guaranteed.

Since you don't even know what valor or the likes was it confirms to me, you joined In Legion.


I know what valor was very well. I farmed some myself in WoD.
And it seems YOU don't actually read replied, because I have stated before that I have been playing since launch.

Anyway. No you are not changing my mind, because I am right.
Blizzard agrees with me, which further empowers my belief.

This is a matter of taste. Of opinion. So we don't NEED to agree.
But when you try to convince someone else that you're right, you should be prepared to show them proof or give them good reasons.
You have done nothing of the kind.
14/11/2017 17:48Posted by Tahra
Anyway. No you are not changing my mind, because I am right.
Blizzard agrees with me, which further empowers my belief.


There is no right or wrong. It's differences of opinion.

Some of us hate Titanforging and want it reduced/limited, some don't care, some like it.
Titanforge + crucible RNG combined...

Nuff said.
14/11/2017 18:26Posted by Tahamine
Titanforge + crucible RNG combined...

Nuff said.


i know right but they want a casino with extra steps.
14/11/2017 17:48Posted by Tahra
Anyway. No you are not changing my mind, because I am right.
Blizzard agrees with me, which further empowers my belief.
Jokes on you then since they are changing your precious right by adapting the system. Hope it crashes to max +15 (or +10 either way I don't care) so progression in raids gets back to a normal pace where you aren't looting items above the intented difficulty anymore. So apparently Blizzard doesn't agree with you nor with the remove crowd, but is going for a compromise. Which will probaly be sitting around a max of +15.

Which seems to be the magic number, you can still can get a big upgrade from titanforging yet it isn't as big that people will be pushed or forced to keep redoing lower/older difficulties for RNG upgrades chances. The people who get the most out of titanforging in IL aren't the ones who are only doing normal, HC or mythic, it are the people grinding as many as they can. Since 4-8 chances are better than 1-2.

Then hopefully we get something like a quarenteed reward for everybody back. No more or only RNG but also valor to encourage running dungeons or to run raids.
And it happend again... My alt which did only 1 full heroic run overtook my mage, again. This is the last reason I want it capped. Sick of alts getting better than the main despite not raiding HC or even doing normal or LFR at all.

Alt had:

-+35 on chest > 935
-+25 on feet > 925
-+10 on trinket > 925
-+10 on ring > 925
-+15 on bracers > 945 (+socket, but it has bad stats so not using it atm)
-+20 on barcers > 930.

Also despite having done way fewer content, mage 10/12 leggies and the alt 11/12. Tune down the RNG.
14/11/2017 19:55Posted by Destruct
Also despite having done way fewer content, mage 10/12 leggies and the alt 11/12. Tune down the RNG.

Thank god this is getting removed. My main still doesn't have all the legendaries, not even for 2 specs. Meanwhile a guildie who has been there with me doing the exact same content has all the legendaries for his class and has received 3 of the alt legendaries x_x
14/11/2017 18:50Posted by Destruct
14/11/2017 17:48Posted by Tahra
Anyway. No you are not changing my mind, because I am right.
Blizzard agrees with me, which further empowers my belief.
Jokes on you then since they are changing your precious right by adapting the system.


And since we don't know how the system is changing, the joke is NOT on me.
In fact, they could be raising the max ilvl for TF procs. Or even better, they could be changing the procs so that the maximum proc changes the item into a Legendary item with special kinds of RNG based stats/traits!

Point is; we don't know.
14/11/2017 21:37Posted by Tahra
14/11/2017 18:50Posted by Destruct
... Jokes on you then since they are changing your precious right by adapting the system.


And since we don't know how the system is changing, the joke is NOT on me.
In fact, they could be raising the max ilvl for TF procs. Or even better, they could be changing the procs so that the maximum proc changes the item into a Legendary item with special kinds of RNG based stats/traits!

Point is; we don't know.


thats the whole point of this post letting them know we want it capped at 10 max or something.

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