I really hate forum detectives

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27/02/2018 15:37Posted by Gíntama
The more achievement points and "no life" hours dumped into online gaming,
the more likely it is that person isn't succeeding irl or being happy for that matter.


Wow judgemental much xD
27/02/2018 15:53Posted by Grodor
27/02/2018 15:49Posted by Whispers
This quote doesn't have anything to do with that.

You say yourself if you can test something then it can be believed. The essence of that quote is that you should only believe something because it is tested, because it is logically correct, because it makes sense. You should not take something for granted just because the person telling you it has got authority. Similarly you should not ignore what someone is saying because he has a lack of authroity. You should evalue what is being said, not the person saying it.

I find it rather strange you are commenting about this against me since I was actually using that quote to back up the points you were making in your OP.


I know, for that I'm thankful. But when science is being discussed, I step in.

But yes, you are right: "You should not take something for granted just because the person telling you it has got authority. Similarly you should not ignore what someone is saying because he has a lack of authroity."

So yes, many people from the pseudoscientific circle do appeal to authority. There are many moon hoaxers who claim they worked for NASA, flat earthers who say they know pilots, etc.

Of course a professor shouldn't be trusted just because he has a PhD degree.


Good, seems we are on the same page then :)
27/02/2018 15:37Posted by Gíntama
It's commonly known as a superiority complex.
The more achievement points and "no life" hours dumped into online gaming,
the more likely it is that person isn't succeeding irl or being happy for that matter.


Or they have simply been playing this game longer.

Which btw doesn't make their opinion any more valueable than that of somebody else.

But there is no need to be judgemental or condensending because someone has got more in game achievements. Nor is there a need to be judgemental because someone has less in game achievements either.
Probably because a lot of the things that casual players complain about (eg. Class balance in pvp) are problems that only they are facing due to lack of experience and an understanding of their or the opponent’s class.

I mean yeah, that’s one example but I think that theory can apply to many of the complaints I’ve seen in forums over the years. If other players are having no problem with a certain mechanic/class then it’s probably you, not the game.
26/02/2018 07:39Posted by Verdill
Just ignore people who do that. Seriously. Once you'll have "core" ignored there will be area for discussions ;) Just look at Tazon's or Tahamine's posts - they refuse to look from the other side, they're stuck to their PoV, there is no point in talking to them.
Oh hey, somebody who mentioned me.

I'll say it as many times as you'd like.

You can't give feedback / review on something that you've never done/seen/have.

Can I review a movie without seeing it? - Nope.

Can I review a game without playing it? - Nope.

Can I review a song before listening to it? - Nope.

There's nothing to discuss, if they haven't done it.

Does this simplify my posts, so you'd be able to understand it better?

Also

26/02/2018 07:39Posted by Verdill
they refuse to look from the other side,
What other side? - You won't be able to give feedback from something that you've never done lol.
Jesus !@#$, I knew Peacebloom had gone to %^-*. But this is hilarious.
I didn't know there were people this braindead.
I'm glad I bailed before you joined.
24/02/2018 17:32Posted by Grodor
Do you know what I most hate on these forums? It's the forum detectives.

What is a forum detective? Maybe this is not the most suitable term, but I like it.

It's when you say something you don't like, when you complain about certain gameplay decisions, when you are generally dissatisfied, those people emerge from the dark recesses of the game ... they check your profile, they look at your achievements and based on these, they always try to prove that the problem lies in you, because you're a bad player. How dare you complain? How dare you discuss the state of PVP? How dare you say the newest raid is bad? How dare you complain about the lack or quality of content?

You know what? I don't step outside of LFR. I don't step outside of casual battlegrounds, brawls and arenas.

Why? Because it's my RIGHT to do so. Because I hate organizing and joining premade groups. I have my reasons for it - being introverted, I really hate bringing real-life into the game, organizing stuff, trying to form a team - something I already do in my real life. I want the game to be a game I enjoy, something I use for escapism, and not something that's reminding me of everyday events in real life.

And guess what? People like me DO have opinion about the current state of the game, about how things should work.

Because, it may be hard for you to believe, but just like you we pay 13 euro per month. On this ground, we're equal.

My two cents.


and i really hate you and this topic because i cant reserch your posts

i mean i want to hate you for your posts but how to be a detective if i cant even !@#$ing know what have youre written before dude
28/02/2018 09:19Posted by Inhuman
and i really hate you and this topic because i cant reserch your posts

i mean i want to hate you for your posts but how to be a detective if i cant even !@#$ing know what have youre written before dude


Yes, forum management is abysmal. I can't believe that they haven't fixed this annoying bug after so much time. It was so bad that it even affected our community manager at one time. But even without the bug, it's sometimes impossible to see forum history, because for some idiotic reason it's tracked per character.
You can't give feedback / review on something that you've never done/seen/have.

Can I review a movie without seeing it? - Nope.

Can I review a game without playing it? - Nope.

Can I review a song before listening to it? - Nope.

No I can't review something I haven't seen. That's silly. Many reviewers play through parts of games and leave reviews but they haven't finished the thing yet. However, I can look at previews of something and form an opinion on what I saw.
24/02/2018 18:45Posted by Grodor
You're wrong. Your opinion is invalid only concerning the difficulties, however, you can still have an overall opinion about the other features.


He really isn't. It's a perfectly viable argument. LFR is an entry tier training mode. You get to see the raid, yes, but it's so massively dumbed down that it's not a clear indicator of what WoW's end-game content is like.
24/02/2018 21:04Posted by Ishayoe
24/02/2018 17:42Posted by Papudeath
I don't think anyone who doesn't do mythic raiding should complain about how mythic raids work for example. If you have no clue how stuff actually works, then you deserve to be called out on it and it's everybody's right to check your character for that.

Also, just because you play a game a certain way, doesn't mean it should work around you. You said it, you're a casual player, and that's fine. But not everyone is. So, these people also have the right to disagree with you because they've experienced content you won't.
Honestly, I wholly reject this. The discussion of who doesn't do a particular thing about why they aren't doing it is just as useful as a discussion of those who do.

Maybe the OP has a misconception or bad information. Show to him why he's wrong, don't just go on his armory profile and dismiss him due to lack of skill. It doesn't prove him wrong - you're committing a logical fallacy. If he is so obviously wrong, it should be easy to debunk him, right?

And sure, the argument can be "Well, maybe this game mode just isn't for you - move on" but it has to be that, then. It can't just be "lol ur armory".

I hate forum detectives, too. I've been having a go at them on this board for almost 10 years now. Like, honestly right - bring a proper argument or get out of the forums. The forums are for debates, not stroking your e-peen or dismissing people out of hand. If you want to dismiss someone, don't respond; then they are dismissed. Simple, right?

But sometimes, people who don't do a certain activity actually have a point. Now, I'd suggest that the point the OP might be having is that World of Warcraft does not offer compelling progression or difficult content for players who don't like to form groups, and on this point he is absolutely correct.

LFR is not and never has been the solution for people like him, because it doesn't test him in any way. It's just an exercise in frustration that's over in 6 hours, and then he can wait for 6 months for the next exercise in frustration to roll around.

The solution for him is difficult open world and solo objectives that test his skill and knowledge. The solution for him is classes that root him in the world and makes him feel like a part of it, in addition to being fun and diverse.

He needs to be very, very gently and slowly pushed towards small group activites with a small but close-knit group of friends, and he needs the opportunity to find those people, and they need the opportunity to grow. He obviously doesn't like big crowds, he obviously don't like meeting up with all manner of random people all the time. Telling him to join a raiding guild to escape the problems of LFR is not a good solution for him, and neither is PuG's. Most likely he will never raid, but there needs to be something else for him, and currently there just really isn't unless he's also bad at the same time.

Current World of Warcraft does an absolutely abysmal job on this front. I actually think the game does substantially worse at this than vanilla did, but vanilla also didn't do a good job at this at max level, even though it did at low level.

He's right to call it out, even if he hasn't killed Mythic Argus.

Why should the game be responsible for catering to one persons whims?

All the tools are provided by the game to do group content, OP doesn't want to and is fully entitled to do that but there comes a point where personal responsibility has to take over and you don't get your hand held all day every day.

If the OP wants solo content so badly, why haven't they done the Mage Tower?
28/02/2018 12:10Posted by Hierithom
If the OP wants solo content so badly, why haven't they done the Mage Tower?


Stop assuming what I want and what I don't want. I don't care about artifact weapon appearances. If you haven't noticed, my artifact weapon is already transmogged to another type of weapon.

What I care, however, is mounts. But depends which ones. I hate dragons and everything that has big wings, so I don't collect them. I did get three class hall mounts which I currently use (the warlock mount is very cool, especially that it's a flying horse with no wings). I recently got the fox mount, but I don't use it too much. It's beautiful, but it's a ground-only mount. I prefer flying mounts with small or no wings.

But I mostly care about story-driven content. For me a game is like reading a book. More quests? Sure, if they tell me a story, not filler content (like, kill 100 demons, a sell-fulfilling prophecy !@#$ and 90341920391 nethershards).

What many of the readers of the topics fail to understand is that complainers complain mostly about the content they do, and not the one they don't do. LFR raiders won't complain about Mythic raiders, because they don't care about it. I wonder how this could be beyond the basic understanding of many posters here.
28/02/2018 13:06Posted by Grodor
What many of the readers of the topics fail to understand is that complainers complain mostly about the content they do, and not the one they don't do. LFR raiders won't complain about Mythic raiders, because they don't care about it. I wonder how this could be beyond the basic understanding of many posters here.

Yeah, no. I have personally talked with someone who believed raids were being cleared too quickly and that game felt fast-paced. Their suggestion was to gate higher difficulties behind lower ones.
As you might have guessed, said person never stepped into Normal.
Some LFR raiders care only about LFR, but there are many who talk even about Mythic.

27/02/2018 14:39Posted by Whispers
People in real life have an opinion on politics yet they never have been in politics. People have an opnion about economics yet they aren't economists. Does that mean these people aren't entitled to have an opnion ? Does that mean those opinions can't be informed and are per definition worthless ?

You are mixing apples with oranges.
Can I say politicians in my country should take political responsibility more? Certainly. Can I say being Minister of Education is easy? Nope.
It is the same in WoW. I can have informed opinion about state of boss fights in Mythic despite only doing LFR and Normal. For example I know that Kil´jaeden was overtuned at the beginning and still extremely hard after they fixed him, because I watched the world first race and YouTubers who cleared the content and presented their opinions.
But can I say Mythic raids are easy and should be made more difficult? No, because I don´t do that content and therefore have no idea how hard it is.
24/02/2018 19:16Posted by Rileyraid
This post is like when fat people give sport and health advices, lol


I thought this post was about OPs name being offensive.. like yours named after a female pornstar.
27/02/2018 15:37Posted by Gíntama
The more achievement points and "no life" hours dumped into online gaming,
the more likely it is that person isn't succeeding irl or being happy for that matter.


Thats nonsense, most the achievement points can be easily done by backtracking and soloing old stuff within an extremely short time.

Also you could say the exact same thing about them not succeeding irl about people with anime names. Now go watch your gintama instead of succeeding irl pls
Depends on the topic of the thread.
If its something like Raid X is bad because there is no variation in design of rooms, mobs or bosses, thats fine and no need to question your experience in it.
If its something like Raid X is bad because I don't like any of the mechanics and you've never even entered it then your opinion holds much less weight than someone that has.
28/02/2018 08:55Posted by Zonday
Jesus !@#$, I knew Peacebloom had gone to %^-*. But this is hilarious.
I didn't know there were people this braindead.
I'm glad I bailed before you joined.
Are you referring to me? lol.

I'd like to see your actual character, instead of hiding behind a low level.. if you're referring to me lol.

28/02/2018 11:04Posted by Ofensor
You can't give feedback / review on something that you've never done/seen/have.

Can I review a movie without seeing it? - Nope.

Can I review a game without playing it? - Nope.

Can I review a song before listening to it? - Nope.

No I can't review something I haven't seen. That's silly. Many reviewers play through parts of games and leave reviews but they haven't finished the thing yet. However, I can look at previews of something and form an opinion on what I saw.
You can form an opinion on previews, you can't however give a review without stepping foot / seeing the thing.

You still have to play/see it.

It's like myself reviewing mythic argus without seeing him, you can't.

That's what my entire post was mostly about.
Yeah, no. I have personally talked with someone who believed raids were being cleared too quickly and that game felt fast-paced. Their suggestion was to gate higher difficulties behind lower ones.
As you might have guessed, said person never stepped into Normal.
Some LFR raiders care only about LFR, but there are many who talk even about Mythic


It's not discussing the content with higher level settings - he just wants good players to do his content too, so he can clear the raid :D
01/03/2018 00:50Posted by Tahamine
It's like myself reviewing mythic argus without seeing him, you can't.

But I say game is easy and usual argument from elitists is "yOu DiDn'T kIlL mYtHiC aRgUs YeT xoxo". So? I killed mythic Archimonde. Still I say the game is easy.

Meet gear requirements -> wipe on the boss till worst player in group will get basics like walking out of big swirls or fire -> profit.

Seriously, the hardest part about mythic is to get proper strategy and to actually CARE about HEROIC mechanics which were ignored partially on hc. To set AngryAssignments (I like doing that on Eonar ;p) and WeakAuras.

The only bosses I enjoyed this xpac were Ilgynoth and Eonar. Examples of good encounters :) We killed AHC mythic yesterday and we will be focusing on Imonar now, from videos it looks like fun, I hope ;)

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