I got really angry in LFR. Something needs to change

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20/02/2018 21:54Posted by Canabal
I specifically said it's not required to be allowed in, read my response again, how do you not understand this.


I've already addressed this.

The prerequisite for participating in the classwork is still the pen. I'll break this down for you.

The entry requirements for the class is uniform/behaviour.

The entry requirements for LFR is your item level.

Just because you meet the requirements for entry, does not mean you therefore meet the requirements for active and meaningful participation


What not having a pen and being allowed in?.....but you don't need one to be and that's the point.


But you need one to actively participate, which is the entire point. You're desperate now.

Not you, the community....


Of which I am a member of. If you read through the thread, you will see my view is shared by many.

When you don't know what a word means, don't use it......an Ad hominem response being incorrect.....ROFL


An Ad hominem is to attack someone's person or character instead of the argument. By insinuating that I looked down upon people, you were as a consequence attacking my character. This isn't going particularly well for you, is it?

Furthermore I rightfully stated that this was incorrect, as you asserted this was the 'gist of the thread' - which it is not.

20/02/2018 21:54Posted by Canabal
Yet here you are, trying your Best


You're not coping with half assed, so I assume you would struggle immensely with my best.

Give it up dude. It's embarrassing.
how about this:

just stop doing LFRs. We don't need LFRs. You don't need LFR, for any reason whatsoever. The more people who protest LFRs the better. The more LFR raids fail, the more people will stop using. And eventually, all the gelantinous blobs who engage in that nonsense will want something else and maybe we can build a case to get rid off it.
An Ad hominem is to attack someone's person

Someone's person, huh?......stick to words you know, don't try to impress me. lol

The prerequisite for participating in the classwork is still the pen. I'll break this down for you.

This is like what, the 3rd time I'm going over this with you....

The prerequisite for Being Allowed in class is Not a pen.

But you need one to actively participate, which is the entire point. You're desperate now.

Just so we're clear, the pen is the ilvl 777 weapon you're referring to below?
20/02/2018 19:35Posted by Cowculatéd
I referred to a person that brought an ilevel 777 weapon into the raid.

*Big Smile*

Of which I am a member of. If you read through the thread, you will see my view is shared by many.

You being back as a member of the community is hilarious because just a second ago.....lol

20/02/2018 22:27Posted by Cowculatéd
You're not coping with half assed, so I assume you would struggle immensely with my best.

So you're doing me a favor? ROFL

*Can't respond anymore, will check for this thread tomorrow lol*
Luckily i'm at gear levels where i can carry lfr dps so i really don't pay any attention to anything what goes on there anymore. It's a horrible place to be, i only use it to finish cache quests.
19/02/2018 12:15Posted by Moozah
You are being rather unreasonable, LFR is a "for everyone" experience, regardless of DPS and Experience with the game.


well it is clearly not anymore. glhf clearing it with a group full of 300k dps,ers
Yeah, I usually top the meters in lfr when I'm tanking. Luckily tanks have auto assistants, so I yell at people at motivate them to suck less. Worked great so far.
11 pages and ppl are still lying and taking things out of context so they can continue leeching, how sad
for the person that wanted a tl;dr

19/02/2018 12:29Posted by Udo
19/02/2018 12:15Posted by Moozah
regardless of DPS and Experience with the game.


Going AFK, suiciding, or just using one ability is not playing the game. Far too many people use LFR to leech while farming for Transmogs AP or Legendaries. They treat it like a joke ruining the experience for the very ones you are defending.

I do LFR most weeks for the farming but put effort in, try and tell genuine newbies tactics, and every single time there's people in there taking the complete p1ss. Ilvl 960 and doing 50k DPS? ninja pulling bosses and leaving?

There should be greater penalties for this behaviour but as it is there is nothing to deter these trolls.
OP was talking about people with bad gear, like this 777 weapon. Not people being AFK or autoattacking whole fight.
All you need to get to LFR is 890 ilv, so people join when they get to 890 ilv. It's not their fault that there is no weapon ilv required, or 910 ilv required to enter. This topic shows only one thing, that blizzard made a mistake while tuning antorus LFR and made it too hard, or while setting ilv required to 890.
And most of the time this is not a problem really because some people in the group will be carried by others, and this is fine if they do effort and participate even if their gear is bad and they will end up doing low dps.

OP was just unlucky to be grouped with many undergeared or unskilled players. It happens and what you do then is leave and find different group, not come to forums to whine.
If you decide to use a tool that will group you with random people, there's a risk those people will not be great geared/skilled players, and probably that's why they are doing LFR and not HC.
Cowculated, I like your name, I've said before, send me in an game mail with your Discord if you want. And I will do LFRs with you. Even my weakest alts do more than 900k dps. (Except my healer, haha!) So I will gladly do LFR with you and you will have at least someone else there who can play... mostly because I like your name.

Remember when we have to do proving grounds to do dungeons? Well, I really hideously don't recommend that. That angered a lot of people... but I would like if we had to do something like that for LFR. Because, even on successful runs, it still takes ages because, while some of the bad ones are just afk or don't know how to play. There are people there who do not know what they are doing.
Lfr is pain as it is. Just takes too long
Either:
-Just remove it
-Make it easier: less hp, (normal mechanics are fine i think just tone their dmg down)
-10 man maybe? (Personally i dont like 25, more room for error)
-Add a proving ground before it
-Punish afkers, leechers, toxicity
Theses are my ideas in no particular order.
21/02/2018 07:43Posted by Mnuvae
-10 man maybe? (Personally i dont like 25, more room for error)


Also longer queues and more people in one place is never a good idea if you want calm. I agree with you fully on this idea.
20/02/2018 16:56Posted by Kekminator
Do what I do OP.

>Leave
> Q again later for another group who should be better. Just LOL @ carrying others and I say that coming from a position of CBA doing HC raids.


LOL at carrying others ? you act as a complete leecher

kk i will leech too from now just like you do
I can relate OP, I joined on my alt and it took 14 minutes to wipe on Coven at 44%.

I just left tho :p
19/02/2018 12:50Posted by Grodor
And I want to learn my class by playing the game, not by watching guides and youtube videos.
Oh I long to see the day when people learn raids by trial and error and the occasional glance at the built-in journal and not looking up strategy guides or videos online before they merrily tip-toe down to the raid entrance for a fun night of wipes, learning and socializing.
It is demoralizing to see this thread still active. Because it means that people fail to have even a simplistic understanding of both what op brought up or the mechanics they are pontificating on.

Like this

20/02/2018 23:03Posted by Canabal
An Ad hominem is to attack someone's person

Someone's person, huh?......stick to words you know, don't try to impress me. lol


Canabal, if you don't know what a !@#$ing word means, you don't just fallaciously weasel out by spitting out random attacks. If you can't show his arguments or definitions wrong, you are not right. It's that simple. Grow some balls and admit your failure.

And that's true for the rest of you spouting "your problem" "you are indeed an elitist" "kek lol". If you can't demonstrate how any of that is true, nor show how is wrong, but resolve to dishonest red herrings, ad hominems and arrogant trolling, then you are part of the problem.

@OP:

Keep up the fight. You are evidently right (and the evidently is the important part).
It has probably been said already, but the issue is that the item level requirement is too low. It is to be expected that a LFR group will have a mix of terrible players, AFKers, leechers and a combination of those three, but with the item level being so low, there's less room for maneuvering.

To compare with Avatar and KJ LFR, the former you really needed some very low DPS to fail to the "enrage" (running out of space to fight in the platform) and for the latter, wipes usually came from not soaking Armageddon or getting reflections up while dark intermission was coming. The gear requirement seemed more balanced or the DPS check was fairly easier to reach.

But I did Aggramar/Argus on some alts hunting for the transmog weapons and never again unless I feel I can carry the team with those alts like I can do with this priest. The overall DPS was just too low.

Having a higher item level means that instead of an average of 500k DPS, the average would be 600k DPS (throwing some numbers), which would ease up the fights. Otherwise you need two wipes to get to that point and the wipes usually take quite long.
20/02/2018 13:24Posted by Cinderhoof
20/02/2018 13:11Posted by Tsjod
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Well, i am not sure about that. When i see messages like this.

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Those are just plain lies anyway, you aren't gonna do 600k sustainnd dps even at ilvl 900, and depending on class/spec, even at 910.
So i would ignore such people all together, they are just trying to rub off their ego.


Love how someone claims i'm lying about my DPS on a freshly boosted toon just because he can't play his own class properly at lower ilvl's...
21/02/2018 09:07Posted by Jelinä
Canabal, if you don't know what a !@#$ing word means, you don't just fallaciously weasel out by spitting out random attacks.

If I don't know what which word means?

21/02/2018 09:07Posted by Jelinä
If you can't show his arguments or definitions wrong, you are not right. It's that simple.

I'm always right and he's trying to prove my arguments wrong.

21/02/2018 09:07Posted by Jelinä
Grow some balls and admit your failure.

You think that kid have the courage to show his face in this thread again..... now that's failure.

21/02/2018 09:07Posted by Jelinä
If you can't demonstrate how any of that is true, nor show how is wrong

No he's the one trying to prove to us that he's not an elitist which is why he preface his Opening Post by saying as such.

21/02/2018 09:07Posted by Jelinä
And that's true for the rest of you spouting "your problem" "you are indeed an elitist" "kek lol".

Hey, here's a thought, why don't you continue the fight for him, go back and read what I said and post your retort.
The only thing that needs to change is you being in LFR, tauren..
It's like playing roulette in a casino.

Go in to normal, heroic or mythic. Come back home moomoo...come home.
21/02/2018 16:27Posted by Canabal
21/02/2018 09:07Posted by Jelinä
Canabal, if you don't know what a !@#$ing word means, you don't just fallaciously weasel out by spitting out random attacks.

If I don't know what which word means?

21/02/2018 09:07Posted by Jelinä
If you can't show his arguments or definitions wrong, you are not right. It's that simple.

I'm always right and he's trying to prove my arguments wrong.

21/02/2018 09:07Posted by Jelinä
Grow some balls and admit your failure.

You think that kid have the courage to show his face in this thread again..... now that's failure.

21/02/2018 09:07Posted by Jelinä
If you can't demonstrate how any of that is true, nor show how is wrong

No he's the one trying to prove to us that he's not an elitist which is why he preface his Opening Post by saying as such.

21/02/2018 09:07Posted by Jelinä
And that's true for the rest of you spouting "your problem" "you are indeed an elitist" "kek lol".

Hey, here's a thought, why don't you continue the fight for him, go back and read what I said and post your retort.


Allow me to help; you clearly don't understand what "someone's person" means.

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