Another reminder that we want Master Loot

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30/07/2018 11:43Posted by Bigbazz
30/07/2018 11:21Posted by Uvi
They dont ignore you. They are telling you outright that they decided to go the Personal Loot-route.
WoW is not a democracy.


But it is a business, and the most important thing is to keep your customers happy.


Exactly

But seeing as the vast majority of players complaining about ML/PL are actually the smallest minority in the player base I’d say Blizzard are keeping their customers happy.
Well guys at least we can rest easy knowing that they are using their valuable time to address more important topics than our silly complaints about enforcing Personal Loot.

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30/07/2018 11:43Posted by Jesi
I prefer personal loot...

Why?
Thats personal.


You little commedian
30/07/2018 11:51Posted by Emowitch
But seeing as the vast majority of players complaining about ML/PL are actually the smallest minority in the player base I’d say Blizzard are keeping their customers happy


First of, raiding guilds aren't a small minority, if you look at wowprogress or warcraft logs you can see that for your self.
Second of, raiding guilds are what keeps this game unique and interesting. The casuals come and go after a month, blizzard doesn't make much money off of them, and they don't add anything to the game. The thing that keeps drawing people to this game 14 years after its release is the playerbase. The playerbase that has for the most part stayed here for longer than a decade and will stay here for a very long time, that exact playerbase is the people who are protesting these stupid changes.
So as a business, does it make sense to not only piss off that playerbase by changing something that they all like, but then to further add insult to injury by ignoring them?
30/07/2018 11:52Posted by Kajmak
Well guys at least we can rest easy knowing that they are using their valuable time to address more important topics than our silly complaints about enforcing Personal Loot.

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most of those are from the fake blues. they are a weird bunch.

Aerythlea is the one that should be replying to the real issues like this. but i think she's on holiday for the year. i still want to know if she changed her eye color to gold ; ;
Who the hell you think you are? To ask for direct answer to your salty posts? To talk with "WE" instead of "I" or "ME"? To decide what is important and what is not?
30/07/2018 11:35Posted by Bukachu
you know what's the fun part? I dont think blizzard did a proper statement about why its getting removed.


"We want players who play the game to actually get gear and have their time spent playing be as meaningful as possible and master loot in guild trials negates that"

>You are trialing in a guild
>>You're effectively without loot for 1-2-3 weeks.
>>>You're told that your performance is poor (due to not having gear, experience etc)
>>>>You are promptly removed from the guild or put on another trial

Nobody will refund your subscription, because you've wasted 1-2-3 lockouts playing for literally nothing.
is that really such a big issue with not getting loot for 1,2,3 weeks?

i dont see it tbh

when i join a new guild my goal is to get promoted, after that loot will come automaticly
30/07/2018 12:01Posted by Rénátákí
30/07/2018 11:35Posted by Bukachu
you know what's the fun part? I dont think blizzard did a proper statement about why its getting removed.


"We want players who play the game to actually get gear and have their time spent playing be as meaningful as possible and master loot in guild trials negates that"

>You are trialing in a guild
>>You're effectively without loot for 1-2-3 weeks.
>>>You're told that your performance is poor (due to not having gear, experience etc)
>>>>You are promptly removed from the guild or put on another trial

Nobody will refund your subscription, because you've wasted 1-2-3 lockouts playing for literally nothing.


Well, now trials would probably be conducted on progress bosses. Still no loot.
PL is better than ML, I'm glad it's removed. The only drawback in current PL system is that some loot could be traded and players will be forced to trade that gear by raid leaders. Loot should bind to the character. Current system was designed for PuGs. It should be improved by removing tradeable gear, at least from non-LFR difficulties.
just no
did u ever raid with a organized grp?
Making same/similar thread is against Forum rules!

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30/07/2018 11:51Posted by Emowitch
30/07/2018 11:43Posted by Bigbazz
...

But it is a business, and the most important thing is to keep your customers happy.


Exactly

But seeing as the vast majority of players complaining about ML/PL are actually the smallest minority in the player base I’d say Blizzard are keeping their customers happy.


ML was an option that was taken away from organised raiders, the only guys it affects is organised raiders so really it doesn't matter about the rest of the playerbase because it wasn't affecting them anyway.

Among organised raiders (the people affected) you can't say that it's a minority.
30/07/2018 12:01Posted by Virjin
Who the hell you think you are? To ask for direct answer to your salty posts? To talk with "WE" instead of "I" or "ME"? To decide what is important and what is not?


Refer to my original post, when i said "We", i obviously didnt mean you raid finder heroes because the change doesnt affect you in any way.
kajmak goes savage
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30/07/2018 11:51Posted by Emowitch
But seeing as the vast majority of players complaining about ML/PL are actually the smallest minority in the player base I’d say Blizzard are keeping their customers happy.


by .... removing a CHOICE from players?
like literally... it does not affect those people who wanted to play with personal lloot before...because they could !@#$ing do that.

it only affects those people who wanted to play with master loot, who could do just that before...

THere is literally nobody gaining anything from this garbage. It's literally just making a portion of the playerbase unhappy, while the rest is just unaffected.
So we have no positive outcome from this. The best outcome there is, is neutral and the worst is negative.

Congratz, neutral and negative combined make the entire change lean towards the negative side.

30/07/2018 12:01Posted by Rénátákí
"We want players who play the game to actually get gear and have their time spent playing be as meaningful as possible and master loot in guild trials negates that"

>You are trialing in a guild
>>You're effectively without loot for 1-2-3 weeks.
>>>You're told that your performance is poor (due to not having gear, experience etc)
>>>>You are promptly removed from the guild or put on another trial


And behind afterwards they joke among themselves "So we change the system to one, that won't make guilds bring trials to bosses, that mainraiders still have need on items on, so in the end, the trials won't even have a chance of gaining loot that nobody wanted at all, because they weren't even in the group when the boss died. TROLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL"
30/07/2018 12:01Posted by Rénátákí
>You are trialing in a guild
>>You're effectively without loot for 1-2-3 weeks.
>>>You're told that your performance is poor (due to not having gear, experience etc)


No guild will intentionally completely exclude you from loot just because you're a trial. It doesn't make any sense to exclude someone from getting gear and then boot them for not being geared. Well it might to you if you think of guilds as these big bad demons, but use your brain for a second and think, if they really did that, how would they ever manage to get anything done?
The experience you greentexted, on a wow forum is more likely due to your performance than to anything else.
i read every post that talks about ML, and i checked everyone's profile and progression who is against ML. color me surprised, but the 90% barely done LFR, hardly had any heroic kills. And obviously no cutting edge or mythic kills.

What's even funnier is that a lot of them, literally have no idea how ML operated. Like people do not know, that you need to have 80% of your guild in the group in order to activate ML, or that at the start of each tier, it's impossible to cross realm for mythic vial the group finder so people can't really pug it unless it's at it's end.

This is a removal of choice, and people who agree to that ,are not affected by it in any shape or form, There is not a single heroic guild or pug that i've been in that ever used ML, ML worked for mythic guilds, Do you sit and wonder why no one, literally no one with mythic experience is protecting this change, Mythic raiders don't raid for loot, especially now in the day and age of M+ , titanforging and welfare items of power like legendaries. people Raid for progress. And what is the god damn common sense is to give the loot to members that can utilize the gear better.

I got a neck, it may be a 4% upgrade for main spec or 3% upgrade for AoE set, but if Timmy, the healer can utilize that neck better, Guess what it improvess the guild progress overall. People who talk about 'the negative' ninja looting stories of ML, talk about times like wotlk, and TBC, way before the changes of ML that is today. (funny enough they don't even have achievs that align with the dates of their stories but oh well, there's definitely no way that someone would go on the internet to tell fabricated stories and lies amiright?)

What this change does, is it literally does not affect LFR/normal/heroic raiders, and only affect mythic raiders. But screw those guys right.

This problem will shine the brightest not at the start Uldir, but after people start farming bosses in other to progress gear checks.

What makes my blood boil, is the entitlement of things "my opinion matters, regardless the fact that i do not know how this operates as i have no experience or interraction at all"

It's as if me, a cook, would go to nasa and start talking about the shape of rockets and how they should be reshaped into round rockets because of reason.
Yet another ‘Royal’ we!!
30/07/2018 12:25Posted by Dreadgear
What makes my blood boil, is the entitlement of things "my opinion matters, regardless the fact that i do not know how this operates as i have no experience or interraction at all"

It's as if me, a cook, would go to nasa and start talking about the shape of rockets and how they should be reshaped into round rockets because of reason.


This is so true, i brought it up in a couple of threads and they dont even try to refute it. They know that it doesnt affect them and they dont care, they just dont want us to have a choice. It is disgusting that a human being would behave like that, and its even more disgusting that Blizzard is listening to them, knowing full well that these changes dont affect them.

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