[Nelf-RP] - <The Ashen Glaive> Interest Check!

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Very good concept !

I've never been in any RP-Guild before and sadly, I've never given myself too much time for any kind of roleplaying. But hey, maybe there is now an occasion for me to dive in.

In any case, great ideas for something coming after the war of thorns, and since the next patch seems to head that way too. I hope this project will leads to some gorgeous adventures, especially if I became a part of it :p

We are Kaldorei !
04/10/2018 21:28Posted by Kydre
Very good concept !

I've never been in any RP-Guild before and sadly, I've never given myself too much time for any kind of roleplaying. But hey, maybe there is now an occasion for me to dive in.

In any case, great ideas for something coming after the war of thorns, and since the next patch seems to head that way too. I hope this project will leads to some gorgeous adventures, especially if I became a part of it :p

We are Kaldorei !


Hello, thanks for the nice words! Given you have the right attitude, we are more than welcoming to newer players. So feel free to get in touch, should you have the time for RP ^^
Perhaps a bit late, but I'd like to throw in my 2 cents on the male sentinel topic, since it seems to be such a huge thing within the community still.

From a lore perspective I understand the appeal of the WC era of kaldorei, but in the MMOrpg WoW the society has progressed, like it or not. It has been confirmed and hinted time and again that the night elves are moving away from gender roles and restrictions.

The way I see it you can solve this ICly two ways:
either require your recruits to be "veterans" and thus exclude by default -most- males (and also some IC young females), or be ICly sexist and defy the general law. While the stigma might still linger, the consequences of outright and openly refusing to accept what is becoming commonplace is, -to me-, a long stretch and strikes more as shortsighted than traditionalist IC.

OOCly on the other hand, I totally understand. I have found myself RPing in groups with a majority of the characters in their traditional roles genderbended and it -did- affect immersion for me. (which is rich, coming from me, maining a female nelf druid and alting a male nelf soldier ;P) Even with gender roles lifted, it would take time for any and all to balance out completely, and kaldorei could sure not be there yet.

Personally, if I were to build a guild and try to maintain a traditional/realistic feeling, I would just handle it largely OOC. If you wish to take the matter entirely IC that is up to you ofcourse, but I think it shouldn't be -needed- to tailor your characters IC to your OOC preferences.

It's your guild, your time, your fun, your rules.

Best of luck with it :)
03/10/2018 17:57Posted by Elyrandis
Q: My character has long been a Sentinel, how would you handle that? Would she still start from the very bottom?

A: Everyone, no matter character history, starts as a Fledgling for the first week or two. Consider it a trial period, where we get a feel for you, and you a feel for us. No matter experience, your character will still be new to the unit and its leadership. After that trial period however, if your character is an experienced Sentinel, she will be slotted into the Sentinel Rank. If your character is relatively new to being a Sentinel, she will be slotted into the Outrunner Rank.


Added this section to the FAQ, after receiving the very relevant question.
Let me put it this way. Imagine the situation;

There is no census. There is no reliable registry of night elf forces for who stayed behind and who is in Stormwind. There are so many dead and so many left behind. Huge swathes of the sentinels are now without officers and are completely at a loss as to what to do. There are recruits of Worgen and Draenei and druids and demon hunters lining up everywhere.

Tyrande has literally just decided she won't take it anymore. You asked who is going and your superiors just say, "Tyrande stormed away screaming 'EVERYONE'."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MrTsuvykUZk

You have only a few weeks to get everything in order before you all get shipped to either Val'sharah or Darkshore, with a massive infrastructural challenge that all sentinel captains have to deal with at the moment. A burden that the entire sentinel army is bearing on the orders of Tyrande. Many of those who would have known how to do so are missing in action, so everyone else has to step to the plate and fuse all of the gaps that have been left in your chain in command.

What would the sentinels think if you decided to opt out of that by only taking female sentinels? Or only the experience sentinels, leaving the sentinels with only greenhorns? That's close to sabotage. Would they even accept you as sentinels at that point? You are military, after all, you're not a volunteer group IC. Why not embrace that challenge? Especially if you're traditionalist or xenophobic; if you are loyal to the sentinel army, then surely you should be the first to offer to shoulder the burden of this challenge? You, of all people, would know how difficult it is to maintain the traditions if you started accepting just about anyone and exactly because of that, you wouldn't want to inflict that upon others, would you?

It just seems.. I don't know how else to say it, but it just seems detached from the military reality of the sentinels at this time. I don't think you can afford these requirements without it looking like you're pushing the problem unto the rest of the sentinels.

EDIT: TLDR: If you are part of the sentinels, managing the new recruits is not a choice, it is a responsibility shared by all sentinels. So either you are sentinels or you are a private army set in the old ways. But I just don't think you can be both.
I respectfully disagree with your vision and statement on a fundamental level, I'm afraid. I think the picture you are painting, while also quite extreme, is based on your subjective view.

If male Sentinels want to apply, they can, just not to this very small unit. I believe Elyr has the right to decide what applicants to pick, and who to turn away, being the leader of this unit. But who knows, maybe over time she might start accepting male applicants as well. Nothing is impossible, especially not in the Warcraft Universe.
05/10/2018 14:33Posted by Elyrandis
I think the picture you are painting, while also quite extreme, is based on your subjective view.
Alright, that's fair. What do you think the situation is, then?

05/10/2018 14:33Posted by Elyrandis
If male Sentinels want to apply, they can, just not to this very small unit.
What about the male sentinels previously under the command of, say, people like Delaryn Summermoon? What happens with them now? Are you saying that they aren't your problem? They are already sentinels, they are unassigned, they need to be reintegrated. How come you are exempt from this responsibility?

05/10/2018 14:33Posted by Elyrandis
Elyr has the right to decide what applicants to pick, and who to turn away, being the leader of this unit.
I am not sure what you mean by 'right'. I have a right not to help a blind person from getting run over, but it's my responsibility to help. Can you explain why you are exempt from integrating both new and old soldiers from your unit? You're beholden to your commanders, in the end.

Even if you had, say, total authority, then you would be alienating the rest of the sentinel army, by refusing your responsibilities.
What I am saying is; you say that you do all the following.

03/10/2018 17:56Posted by Elyrandis
The Ashen Glaive itself is just one of many cogs in the Night Elven military forces. They are a medium sized unit,
03/10/2018 17:56Posted by Elyrandis
The Ashen Glaive is part of the Sentinels as a whole, and thus we follow the Sentinel outline quite closely.


Yet, all the while, you say that you are exempt from the logistical responsibilities that the sentinels are dealing with right now. You cannot be both a cog in the machine and just do what you are told, as well as standing on your own as your personal example of what night elves should be.

Preach all you want about tradition, but either you are beholden to the sentinels and take in new recruits without complaint (figuratively speaking) or you are a private army.
What about the male sentinels previously under the command of, say, people like Delaryn Summermoon? What happens with them now? Are you saying that they aren't your problem? They are already sentinels, they are unassigned, they need to be reintegrated. How come you are exempt from this responsibility?


05/10/2018 14:38Posted by Raadran
I am not sure what you mean by 'right'. I have a right not to help a blind person from getting run over, but it's my responsibility to help. Can you explain why you are exempt from integrating both new and old soldiers from your unit? You're beholden to your commanders, in the end.


That is quite true, and the main criticism returned on the Ashen Glaive concept has been the reluctance to accept Male Sentinels, the reason being that Elyr herself does not think the "New ways" have been working very well, and that one needs to return to the traditional ways before the Third War. But, you and everyone else commenting on that topic, I think are absolutely right in saying it is unlikely she could turn away a seasoned male Sentinel, purely because of his gender. I will yield that point, after much consideration and debate the past few days. That said, who knows, male sentinels might not actually apply for this unit.

The worgen however are a different cookie. In-game, they seem to have their own units, and not mix with the elven units all that much. Their fighting style is also extremely different, and their blood is actually quite dangerous, given night elves can be turned into worgen, given they are its origin. I think it is more than acceptable to have a small unit of Sentinels not take in any worgen for those reasons.
Alright, that is fair, then. If you are sticking exclusively to huntresses and archers and hippogryph riders, I suppose it makes sense if you don't let just anyone in for your specialist work.
I appreciate your comments and feedback! Thanks a bunch :)
While the guild won't launch in yet another few weeks, I will try and get around for some more casual RP, with the few folks who have already joined, OOC for now, in the near future. If you too would like a chat and join the guild preliminary, just give me a poke in-game, or here.
I'm glad to see RP returning to Kalimdor and new hubs being formed.

I've got a traditional nelf guild of my own I'm trying to get off the ground. I look forward to seeing you lot in RP.
07/10/2018 14:06Posted by Thayilanna
I'm glad to see RP returning to Kalimdor and new hubs being formed.

I've got a traditional nelf guild of my own I'm trying to get off the ground. I look forward to seeing you lot in RP.


Best of luck, and maybe we might work together in the future :)
Canceled ? :/
13/11/2018 12:24Posted by Shayja
Canceled ? :/


If so that's a real shame :(
Hello! Yes I am afraid I will not be launching this concept. While the feedback was great and very heartwarming, with what I felt was a rather underwhelming BlizzCon and failing interest in the game entirely from my part, I figured I'd be doing everyone a disservice by launching the guild, while my interest in the game was at such an all time low.

I've taken a break from WoW, my sub will run out in a while, but hopefully I might return when the game shapes up once more. Still, I want to apologize to those that got their hopes up, but hopefully someone more positive might launch a similar concept, that the players that crave something like this might unite under.

In any case, this is Elyr signing out. Elune'adore, sisters.
Sometimes the best decisions are the ones that hurt the most. Thanks for sparking my interest in Nelf RP once more <3

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